HIGHLA-L Digest - 9 Aug 2006 to 10 Aug 2006 (#2006-127)
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1. Living UnGracefully, Until Someone Catches Up With Him (17)
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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 01:29:46 -0400
From: =?windows-1252?Q?HLMel?= <sgt_buck_Frobisher@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Living UnGracefully, Until Someone Catches Up With Him
I have to say I'm with Rottie on this one.
Mel
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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 08:57:10 -0400
From: kageorge <kageorge1@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Living UnGracefully, Until Someone Catches Up With Him
HLMel wrote:
>I have to say I'm with Rottie on this one.
>
>Mel
>
>
>
Hmm. Does that mean you want to ban/jail/condemn/re-name all people
named "Jesus"?
Maybe we should establish a religious state.
Oh, wait, we're already halfway there anyway.
More killing and atrocity has been done in "defense" of the name of God
than any other cause. Somehow, I don't think God (or Allah, or Bhudda,
or Shiva, or whatever deity you chose to worship) would approve.
And to get back to topic, what diety do you suppose Methos worships? Or
is he totally agnostic since he was around long before Jesus (not
Heysoos, our spammer) was born. By the way, it was only at the Nicean
conference (hundreds of years after Jesus' death) that the deification
of Jesus was voted on (and yes, it was a close vote). So, it was Man
(in both gender and homosapien sense) that created Jesus the Christ.
Before that, he was just Jesus the Prophet, or Jesus the Teacher, or
Jesus that Guy Who Preached a Lot and Got Into Trouble For It. At the
time, it was all about politics and social and economic control and had
nothing to do with "true belief."
Oh, wait. The same is true today.
So I doubt that Methos was all *that* impressed.
MacG
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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:08:16 +0100
From: Jette Goldie <jette@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Living UnGracefully, Until Someone Catches Up With Him
From: "HLMel" <sgt_buck_Frobisher@YAHOO.COM>
>I have to say I'm with Rottie on this one.
>
Well, I believe the nunnery is -------------------------------> that way.
Jette Goldie (not a Christian, see no reason to kowtow to *their* religious
rules, since _they_ won't live by mine)
jette@blueyonder.co.uk
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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:33:22 +0100
From: John Mosby - Laptop <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Living UnGracefully, Until Someone Catches Up With Him
I'm all for NOT using a deity's name as an exclamation in a post if it's
actively known to offend someone (and 'Jesus' though a common name
pronounced Hay-Zeus in everyday countries, isn't often the guy referred to a
la 'Oh, sweet jumping-Jesus-the-guy-from-one house-down, I just hit my thumb
with a hammer!'
Within certain obvious parameters (if there's a minority religion out there,
represented here that finds the word 'Mosby' offensive, you'll have to live
with it!) I think it's fair to ask people to note there are different faiths
here who might not appreciate its use as an epiphet or in slang
MUCH more creative to come up with some frelling, frakking words of our own
that leave just a tad to the imagiantion.
:)
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jette Goldie" <jette@blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: [HL] Living UnGracefully, Until Someone Catches Up With Him
> From: "HLMel" <sgt_buck_Frobisher@YAHOO.COM>
>
>>I have to say I'm with Rottie on this one.
>>
>
>
> Well, I believe the nunnery is -------------------------------> that way.
>
> Jette Goldie (not a Christian, see no reason to kowtow to *their*
> religious
> rules, since _they_ won't live by mine)
> jette@blueyonder.co.uk
>
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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 10:30:24 EDT
From: Dotiran@aol.com
Subject: Re: Living UnGracefully, Until Someone Catches Up With Him
well thanks MacGeorge and Wendy and Jette [and perhaps others] for the great
"sensitivity" I'll remember that next time I'm tempted to withold a comment
that isn't [liberallyl] politically correct. I forgot, in the PC world,
Christians are fair game.
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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:21:44 +0100
From: Jette Goldie <jette@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Living UnGracefully, Until Someone Catches Up With Him
From: <Dotiran@aol.com>
Up With Him
> well thanks MacGeorge and Wendy and Jette [and perhaps others] for the
> great
> "sensitivity" I'll remember that next time I'm tempted to withold a
> comment
> that isn't [liberallyl] politically correct.
Hmmm - can't say I've ever noticed you resisting that temptation in all
the years I've known you.
Jette Goldie
jette@blueyonder.co.uk
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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:48:58 -0400
From: Wendy <Immortals_Incorporated@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Living UnGracefully, Until Someone Catches Up With Him
Rottie feels persecuted:
> well thanks MacGeorge and Wendy and Jette [and perhaps
> others] for the great "sensitivity" I'll remember that next time I'm
tempted to
> withold a comment that isn't [liberallyl] politically correct. I
forgot, in
> the PC world, Christians are fair game.
Oh good grief!
Apparently you still haven't picked up on the fact that Earl and Glo's
comments were directed at the spammer *named* Jesus. A man. Just a man.
Not a religious figure. "Barbecued Jesus" was about barbecuing the
spammer named Jesus. No one suggested roasting your Lord and Savior.
A quick check on Yahoo PeopleSearch shows over 600 people with the last
name of "Jesus"... there are many thousands of people with the first
name of Jesus (over 300 Jesus Ruizes alone!). In a conversation about
any of these thousands of people, would you forbid us from using their
legal names? If I was discussing Arturo Jesus' marital problems, would
you object if I said "Jesus was cheating on his wife"? How about "Jesus
loved his wine more than his wife"?
If the spammer's name was Mohammed, would you have jumped to declare
blasphemy at the use of "Barbecued Mohammed"? Barbecued Vishnu?
Barbequed Ahriman? Barbecued Zeus? Or is it blasphemy only when your ox
is being gored? (My apologies to all the Mithraists in the audience)?
Again, surely we should be discussing "The Source" these days.
I'll start...if Methos and Joe die and Duncan becomes a middle-aged
mortal, will you continue to support the franchise?
Wendy(That Christians in America feel persecuted is a mark of how little
they comprehend actual religious persecution.)
Immortals Inc.
immortals_incorporated@cox.net
"Weasels for Eternity"
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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:07:45 -0400
From: kageorge <kageorge1@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Living UnGracefully, Until Someone Catches Up With Him
Dotiran@aol.com wrote:
>well thanks MacGeorge and Wendy and Jette [and perhaps others] for the great
>"sensitivity" I'll remember that next time I'm tempted to withold a comment
>that isn't [liberallyl] politically correct. I forgot, in the PC world,
>Christians are fair game.
>
>
In a truly liberal world, Christians woudn't be 'more equal' than
minority religions, but in today's world we all have to tippytoe around
them (and I count myself among 'them'). Just look at the FCC and its
'moral police', levying *huge* fines for behavior that in virtually any
other country in the world would be considered a big 'so what?' It is
the religious right that has made the U.S. into an uptight,
stick-up-the-ass, intolerant, bigoted, close-minded society, second only
to the religious extremes of Islam. As evidence, i offer the whole
"Book of Daniel" stupidity. A reasonably interesting, tolerably
well-written drama series that dared show a Christian minister dealing
equitably and sentitively with (Oh, my God!) Gays!, other religions!,
his own religious quirks and doubts!! And it gets cancelled before it
even gets much of a chance to air based on pressure from the religious
right. I know, that subject has been discussed before, but those who
tried to defend its cancellation still amaze me.
And I speak as someone who actually goes to church every single Sunday.
It's convenient to deride 'political correctness', but that
now-perjorative term has become a way for the intolerant to be snide
about anyone who disagree's with their viewpoint. What 'political
correctness' ought to mean is that anyone's views are tolerated and have
a right to be heard - *especially* when we disagree with them.
MacG
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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:08:47 +0100
From: Jette Goldie <jette@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Living UnGracefully, Until Someone Catches Up With Him
From: "Wendy" <Immortals_Incorporated@cox.net>
> Rottie feels persecuted:
>> well thanks MacGeorge and Wendy and Jette [and perhaps
>> others] for the great "sensitivity" I'll remember that next time I'm
> tempted to
>> withold a comment that isn't [liberallyl] politically correct. I
> forgot, in
>> the PC world, Christians are fair game.
>
> Oh good grief!
>
> Apparently you still haven't picked up on the fact that Earl and Glo's
> comments were directed at the spammer *named* Jesus. A man. Just a man.
OK, now I'm hearing Mary Magdalene's song from "Jesus Christ Superstar"
running through my head. "He's just a man - and I've had so many men
before, in oh so many ways, he's just one more".
(well, it's not HL but at least it's a movie, which is ..... sorta ...
closer to
the topic <g>)
> Again, surely we should be discussing "The Source" these days.
>
Personally I'm against judging a movie purely on spoilers and
fan-boy howls of protest. I'll wait till I see it. (boy - you should
see the reviews of the new "Superman" movie on IMDB - "he
made Superman look *GAY*!!!!")(actually I thoroughly enjoyed
the movie......... though I thought Clark Kent was sexier than
Supes <g>)
> I'll start...if Methos and Joe die and Duncan becomes a middle-aged
> mortal, will you continue to support the franchise?
>
Again, that will depend on how well it's done. I mean, I rather liked
Richie and I definately liked how he was killed off.... but I will feel
free to fan-w*nk my own AU where Joe survives <g>
> Wendy(That Christians in America feel persecuted is a mark of how little
> they comprehend actual religious persecution.)
Jette Goldie
jette@blueyonder.co.uk
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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:10:29 -0400
From: kageorge <kageorge1@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Living UnGracefully, Until Someone Catches Up With Him
Wendy wrote:
>
>
>I'll start...if Methos and Joe die and Duncan becomes a middle-aged
>mortal, will you continue to support the franchise?
>
>
Hmm. A graying, bot-bellied Duncan, swigging back beers and yelling at
the kids? No life-and-death angst? No struggling with the nature of
good and evil, just whether he can put off the yard work a little longer?
Probably not.
MacG
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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:18:19 -0400
From: Wendy <Immortals_Incorporated@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Living UnGracefully, Until Someone Catches Up With Him
Me:
> > Apparently you still haven't picked up on the fact that
> Earl and Glo's comments were directed at the spammer *named* Jesus.
> A man. Just a man.
Jette:
> OK, now I'm hearing Mary Magdalene's song from "Jesus Christ
> Superstar" running through my head.
Then my work here is done <EFG>
Wendy(No, that doesn't mean I'll disappear.)(Sorry to get your hopes up)
Immortals Inc.
immortals_incorporated@cox.net
"Weasels for Eternity"
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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:46:18 -0400
From: kageorge <kageorge1@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Living UnGracefully, Until Someone Catches Up With Him
(sigh)
I want to apologize to the list for going off on a rant. I meant every
single word, but this is probably not the place for that kind of thing.
It's just that ginning up religious offence just because some spammer's
given name happened to be Jesus just frosted my cupcake.
I'll shut up about it now.
MacG
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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 22:35:15 +0200
From: T'Mar <tmar@polka.co.za>
Subject: Re: Living UnGracefully, Until Someone Catches Up With Him
>I want to apologize to the list for going off on a rant. I meant
>every single word, but this is probably not the place for that kind of
thing.
> It's just that ginning up religious offence just because some spammer's
>given name happened to be Jesus just frosted my cupcake.
I don't know how many of us are on the list, but you'll notice that most
of us didn't give a you-know-what one way or the other.
In fact, my reaction to this little storm in a teacup was simply:
*Yawn*
- Marina. (Did that person really have to bring up Andrew Lloyd Webber?!)
(I'll never get that song out of my head now!)
--
"Freedom is difficult, but it's better than the alternative." -
from an episode of ALIEN NATION
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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:36:22 +0100
From: Jette Goldie <jette@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Living UnGracefully, Until Someone Catches Up With Him
From: "T'Mar" <tmar@polka.co.za>
> - Marina. (Did that person really have to bring up Andrew Lloyd Webber?!)
> (I'll never get that song out of my head now!)
"I don't know how to loooove him...."
Jette Goldie
jette@blueyonder.co.uk
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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:16:40 -0400
From: =?windows-1252?Q?Mel?= <sgt_buck_Frobisher@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Living UnGracefully, Until Someone Catches Up With Him
LOL, thanks for the laugh.....what show is that from?
Mel *can only even remember the name of one ALW musical and that's
Cats...blanking on any others unless I jsut don't know they're ALW.*
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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:17:14 -0400
From: Kaki 4 <kaki4@nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Living UnGracefully, Until Someone Catches Up With Him
----- Original Message -----
From: kageorge <kageorge1@verizon.net>
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> them (and I count myself among 'them'). Just look at the FCC and
> its
> 'moral police', levying *huge* fines for behavior that in
> virtually any
> other country in the world would be considered a big 'so what?'
> It is
> the religious right that has made the U.S. into an uptight,
> stick-up-the-ass, intolerant, bigoted, close-minded society,
> second only
> to the religious extremes of Islam. As evidence, i offer the
> whole
> "Book of Daniel" stupidity. A reasonably interesting, tolerably
> well-written drama series that dared show a Christian minister
> dealing
> equitably and sentitively with (Oh, my God!) Gays!, other
> religions!,
> his own religious quirks and doubts!! And it gets cancelled
> before it
> even gets much of a chance to air based on pressure from the
> religious
> right. I know, that subject has been discussed before, but those
And not too many years ago "Nothing Sacred" which I loved got
cancelled apparently due to the Catholic church (or at least some of
the Catholics)'s objections.
[note: not knocking those of us who are nominally or whole-heartedly
Catholic just those who got my show cancelled]
Kaki
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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 22:32:19 +0100
From: John Mosby - Laptop <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Living UnGracefully, Until Someone Catches Up With Him
Y'know I'm an agnostic (not an atheist) and I'd agree the situation is
different in the US where the FCC frequently comes out with some bizarre
stances... but I'd say in England everyone is running scared of insulting
any religion EXCEPT Christianity. I have issue with some aspects of
interpreting that faith, but in the current climate if I expressed any
disatisfaction with any other religion in the same way I'd be branded
racist.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kaki 4" <kaki4@nc.rr.com>
To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [HL] Living UnGracefully, Until Someone Catches Up With Him
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: kageorge <kageorge1@verizon.net>
> snip
>> them (and I count myself among 'them'). Just look at the FCC and
>> its
>> 'moral police', levying *huge* fines for behavior that in
>> virtually any
>> other country in the world would be considered a big 'so what?'
>> It is
>> the religious right that has made the U.S. into an uptight,
>> stick-up-the-ass, intolerant, bigoted, close-minded society,
>> second only
>> to the religious extremes of Islam. As evidence, i offer the
>> whole
>> "Book of Daniel" stupidity. A reasonably interesting, tolerably
>> well-written drama series that dared show a Christian minister
>> dealing
>> equitably and sentitively with (Oh, my God!) Gays!, other
>> religions!,
>> his own religious quirks and doubts!! And it gets cancelled
>> before it
>> even gets much of a chance to air based on pressure from the
>> religious
>> right. I know, that subject has been discussed before, but those
>
> And not too many years ago "Nothing Sacred" which I loved got
> cancelled apparently due to the Catholic church (or at least some of
> the Catholics)'s objections.
> [note: not knocking those of us who are nominally or whole-heartedly
> Catholic just those who got my show cancelled]
>
> Kaki
>
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