HIGHLA-L Digest - 12 Jul 2001 to 13 Jul 2001 - Special issue
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Topics in this special issue:
1. ATTN: All Fan Fic writers (11)
2. "Endgame" video question.
3. OT: Do not go gently.... (5)
4. HL Store (2)
5. Peter Wingfield, Stargate and such...
6. Belated ADMIN: Endgame Spoiler lifetime is over
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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:31:42 -0700
From: J Raumo <jraumo@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: ATTN: All Fan Fic writers
John Mosby wrote:
>>A question though: if an actor encourages a
fan-writer to continue, the writer will do so with
added zeal. But if an actor asked the writer to stop,
would that be honoured completely or would the writer
of that particular fanfic simply continue but keep it
low-key and away from the actor? <<
I can honestly say that an actor's opinion of my work
would have no more or less effect on my desire to
write than the opinion of any other person. I am not
going to stop writing because people on this list have
expressed their opinions against what I am doing and I
would not stop writing if an actor asked me to. I'm
not writing for the feedback of other fans either.
Considering the miniscule amount of feedback I've
gotten, I'm glad it's not my driving concern.
But then, I'm not really intrigued by the cult of
personality surrounding the actors. I'm not
interested in attending a convention to meet the
actors, ask them a question or collect an autograph.
I do understand the desire to meet with friends you
might have only met online to discuss mutual interests
but my interests lie with the existing six seasons of
Highlander and not with the making of those six
seasons.
If I were to receive a Cease and Desist letter from
the copyright holders I would take my work down. Not
because I believe my activities are wrong: I don't.
Not because I believe my activities are actionable,
again, I believe my use is covered by the Fair Use
provision. I would remove my work because I do not
have the money to enter into litigation. Often
matters of law are decided not by who has the moral
right, or who has the legal right but by who has the
most money, and I can guarantee you, I haven't got the
most money.
Jo Raumo
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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 23:04:42 EDT
From: Ashton7@aol.com
Subject: Re: ATTN: All Fan Fic writers
In a message dated 7/12/01 8:22:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
a.j.mosby@btinternet.com writes:
<< ie: a postive actor reaction has been mentioned here as a valid/taciturn
permission to carry on, but would you consider a negative actor reaction a
reason to stop? If not, isn't that a double-standard? >>
Actually, I don't think I ever said that an actor's positive reaction
constituted some sort of "permission" to carry on. I simply pointed out that
many of them don't mind fan fiction and some of them even like it. The "anti"
faction is always so quick to point out actors who *don't* like fan fiction,
after all.
To answer the question bluntly: no. An actor's opinion, pro or con, has
absolutely no effect on whether or not I choose to write or publish fan
fiction. I don't really care, either way. I write and read fan fiction about
*characters*, not about actors.
Annie CWPack
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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:32:40 -0700
From: Diana DeShaun <ddeshaun@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: ATTN: All Fan Fic writers
I don't believe fanfic is illegal or immoral. I don't
believe many of TPTB including those involved with HL,
B7, Star Trek, etc. think that either.
Some on this list believe the same. Some don't. eh.
I can live with that.
I love fanfic. I love reading it. I love writing it.
Some on this list are the same. Some aren't. I can
live with that too.
A valid argument on legality might at least make me
think twice, but an argument based on morality?
Please. I'll save my morality for _real_ issues like
hate crimes and child abuse, and let others worry
about the minutia.
Diana
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Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 00:44:34 -0400
From: Sandy Fields <diamonique@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: ATTN: All Fan Fic writers
At 11:32 PM 07/12/01, Diana DeShaun wrote:
>A valid argument on legality might at least make me think twice, but an
>argument based on morality? Please. I'll save my morality for _real_
>issues like hate crimes and child abuse, and let others worry
>about the minutia.
Did you miss all the recent discussion about copyright infringement? Not
that I care about fanfic one way or the other, but the legality or lack
thereof has been discussed quite a bit here recently.
-- Sandy
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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:52:55 -0700
From: Diana DeShaun <ddeshaun@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: ATTN: All Fan Fic writers
--- Sandy Fields <diamonique@EARTHLINK.NET> wrote:
> At 11:32 PM 07/12/01, Diana DeShaun wrote:
>
> >A valid argument on legality might at least make me
> think twice, but an
> >argument based on morality? Please. I'll save my
> morality for _real_
> >issues like hate crimes and child abuse, and let
> others worry
> >about the minutia.
>
> Did you miss all the recent discussion about
> copyright infringement? Not
> that I care about fanfic one way or the other, but
> the legality or lack
> thereof has been discussed quite a bit here
> recently.
>
Nope, I didn't miss it. I didn't miss it the last
time this topic came up either. There were a lot of
conflicting opinions, many of them from people I
consider to be quite learned. Seems to me this issue
is still in flux.
Do I want to be the test case to establish once and
for all the legality? Nope. Do I think that's going
to happen? Again, nope.
I could be wrong, of course. It happened twice last
year.
Diana
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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 22:37:05 -0700
From: Lesley Currie <llcurrie@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: "Endgame" video question.
Stephen Bryce wrote:
> I was looking for "Endgame" at one of my local video
> stores, the other day. They had the DVD version, but
> when I'd asked about the VHS tape, the guy at the
> counter said that it wasn't available, as far as he
> knew. Does anyone know when it's going to be out for
> sell-through VHS?
> Stephen Bryce - Author, "Highlander: The Legacy"
Check out http://www.half.com
I bought it thorugh them for $5.00 plus postage...total was $7.20
And just checked before I posted and they still have more at that
price...
Just enter a serch under DVD/Movies - Highlander: Endgame
--
@ Lesley Currie (AIM: Ladyhlndr)
/ llcurrie@pacbell.net
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@ day we are reborn..." Duncan ~ Endgame
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Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:38:10 +0200
From: Marina Bailey <fdd-tmar@netactive.co.za>
Subject: Re: ATTN: All Fan Fic writers
Wendy wrote:
>This is a fascinating attitude. I'm not saying you're "wrong"..I'm just
bemused ><g>
I think I've bemused you a lot, Wendy. :)
I think your argument has already been answered by Trilby:
>... I see it, by and large, as a "victimless crime". [snip]
>If I'm not harming myself or someone else, or decreasing someone's
>material gains, my guilt quotient is very low.
Annie also wrote:
>An actor's opinion, pro or con, has absolutely no effect on whether
>or not I choose to write or publish fan fiction. I don't really care,
>either way. I write and read fan fiction about *characters*, not about
>actors.
Exactly. And some of us have been in fandom of one kind or another
for so many years (23 years for me) that the *shock!* *horror!* that
some (relative) newbies to fandom display is... I dunno... amusing.
>What if everyone was posting doctored nude pictures of movie stars on
>their web sites....no one is getting arrested....some actors think it
>is funny. [snip, sorry]
Actually, I have seen those (not on purpose, of course) with actors'
heads pasted onto other bodies. I think in that case the actor could
conceivably sue. But since (as someone else said) the actor doesn't
own the character, I feel I can write about that character. I'm NOT
writing about Adrian, I'm writing about Duncan. And I'd hope that
Adrian, of all people, knows the difference between fantasy and
reality.
>If PW said a few years from now.."Hey, I've got a son who loves the
>Methos character and he's old enough to surf the Net...I don't want
>him finding all that slash fanfic .." I would probably take down any
>slash I had up. ..because I wouldn't want to be the one who "ruined"
>a kid's image of his Dad.
The only thing I can get from this argument is that parents should
not let their kids surf the Net unsupervised. I have a 13 year-old
cousin whose father still will not let her use the Net, even if her
18 year-old brother is with her. Of course, this is a different
argument. People always want society to do their jobs for them. "It's
not the fault of lazy parents that their kid saw porn on the Net, no,
porn is evil and people shouldn't show it!" I've actually seen this
argument, and it's ridiculous. When Edan is 18, I'd hope he'd know
the difference between fantasy and reality and could handle finding
slash stories about a *character* his father played. (Plus, let's
not forget, slash does carry warnings. If he chose to ignore the
warnings, it's his own fault if he sees something he wouldn't like.)
Of course, by the time Edan is 18, all the slash fans will probably be
slashing totally new shows. (Tanith and Apophis? <g>)
>(I've been rewatching Season 4)( I should be rewatching Raven.)(Maybe later.)
I missed a lot of Raven discussion early on, but since I've seen
all the eps, I find I really like it. Nick is a babe. :)
- Marina. (This is my last post on the topic.) (I mean it this time.)
(Wendy, stop rolling your eyes.) (I really mean it!!)
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Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 04:45:15 -0400
From: Elaine Nicol <ElaineN@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: OT: Do not go gently....
I've put some spoiler space in because I do talk about something that
happened.
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Hmmm. Only the 'some of us' who didn't see The Body...one of the most
powerful pieces of television I've seen in ten years of reviewing? <<
You should have been there when we were discussing that at Nocturnal. I
didn't particularly like that episode. But someone I was talking to said
'ah you'll find out how you will react when you lose your Mother'
Nocturnal was two after I lost my Mother. Talk about seeing that look of
wishing the ground would open up and swallow them.
Thing is I wonder if that is why I didn't particularly like the episode, be
interesting to go back and watch it in a few months and see what I feel
about it.
I did get the feeling with that episode that there was very much an element
of the Emperor's New Clothes about. I think there were many better
episodes in the season.
Elaine.
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Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:27:39 +0100
From: "John Mosby (B)" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: OT: Do not go gently....
I WAS at Nocturnal. Dang. Which vampire/Darla/Dru were you?
:)
John
(went as a journalist....scary)
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From: "Elaine Nicol" <ElaineN@compuserve.com>
To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU>
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [HL] OT: Do not go gently....
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> Hmmm. Only the 'some of us' who didn't see The Body...one of the most
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> You should have been there when we were discussing that at Nocturnal. I
> didn't particularly like that episode. But someone I was talking to said
> 'ah you'll find out how you will react when you lose your Mother'
> Nocturnal was two after I lost my Mother. Talk about seeing that look of
> wishing the ground would open up and swallow them.
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> Thing is I wonder if that is why I didn't particularly like the episode,
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> interesting to go back and watch it in a few months and see what I feel
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> I did get the feeling with that episode that there was very much an
element
> of the Emperor's New Clothes about. I think there were many better
> episodes in the season.
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> Elaine.
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Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:30:27 +0200
From: Tarryn Zank <Zankt@nu.ac.za>
Subject: HL Store
Seeing as I'm going to be in the states for a reasonable amount of time.. is there a walk-in store that sells HL stuff, or is it only through on-line? With the on-line one - how reliable is it that what is advertised on the web is the same stuff they've got. I'm asking because when i was last there ('98), I checked out the stuff on-line, and tried to phone it through,and they said those items/order numbers didn't exist!! So a friend had to get a catalogue sent, and pick out stuff, and some things she bought were not what I wanted.
Will the store be selling at the Con?
How can I get a catalogue before I get to the states? ANyone want to send me a recent spare copy they've got lying about? <yeah, right> *G*
I really wanted one of the wind-chimes, but the postage overseas was horrendous, & now you can't get them anymore.
Thanks
T.
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Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 07:36:01 -0400
From: Elaine Nicol <ElaineN@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: OT: Do not go gently....
>> I WAS at Nocturnal. Dang. Which vampire/Darla/Dru were you?
:)
John <<
I know you were, we spoke for long enough. You just weren't there when
that conversation came up.
>> (went as a journalist....scary) <<
I spent most of that con with journalists which is even more scary...<EG>
Elaine.
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Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 07:59:12 EDT
From: Bizarro7@aol.com
Subject: Re: ATTN: All Fan Fic writers
In a message dated 7/13/01 4:41:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
fdd-tmar@netactive.co.za writes:
<< The only thing I can get from this argument is that parents should
not let their kids surf the Net unsupervised. I have a 13 year-old
cousin whose father still will not let her use the Net, even if her
18 year-old brother is with her. Of course, this is a different
argument. People always want society to do their jobs for them. "It's
not the fault of lazy parents that their kid saw porn on the Net, no,
porn is evil and people shouldn't show it!" >>
Amen. What's even worse is a proponent of a particular faith with a
particular attitude about sex in general and homosexual sex in particular,
behaving as if it were the 'parent' morality over the entire American
population with the aim of preserving its own particular brand of prudery,
completely ignoring the fact that much of the population of this country is
NOT and never has been of that particular religion. This country was founded
on freedom of religion. Trying to legislate it into general use because the
individual believers are do damned *lazy* to practice it within their own
community or family is morally questionable. To those who do not *belong* to
that religion (or indeed any organized faith), it's downright obnoxious and
oppressive, and it casts that faith (and by association, its founder) in a
very bad light--certainly not what the founder originally intended.
But then, a lot of folks regard themselves as appointed 'deputies' of God,
with all the attendant rights to bludgeon everyone around them with a moral
billyclub.
Leah CWPack
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Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 08:06:19 EDT
From: Bizarro7@aol.com
Subject: Re: OT: Do not go gently....
In a message dated 7/13/01 4:47:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
ElaineN@compuserve.com writes:
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<< You should have been there when we were discussing that at Nocturnal. I
didn't particularly like that episode. But someone I was talking to said
'ah you'll find out how you will react when you lose your Mother'
Nocturnal was two after I lost my Mother. Talk about seeing that look of
wishing the ground would open up and swallow them. >>
Joss Whedon and company performed a tremendous public service by writing and
airing THE BODY, for just that reason. The realities of Death are one of the
last taboos in our society; the attitude that it's so scary and unpleasant
that we shouldn't discuss it in front of children often leaves them
completely unprepared to deal with it, particularly when it's staring you
right in the face (in Buffy's case, very literally). Whedon was demonstrating
the difference between the fantasy death that pervades his series and the
Real Thing. He shows what *really* happens, and gives some guidelines of what
needs to be done. He provides realistic reactions. In short, many young
people will be a touch more prepared, if the very worst should ever happen in
their presence. And he did it in as tasteful a manner as could be provided
within a format designed for entertainment, not unpleasant education.
As far as I'm concerned, this and the performances involved were more than
enough to walk away with an Emmy.
Leah CWPack
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Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 09:56:48 EDT
From: Ashton7@aol.com
Subject: Re: ATTN: All Fan Fic writers
In a message dated 7/13/01 4:41:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
fdd-tmar@netactive.co.za writes:
<< Of course, by the time Edan is 18, all the slash fans will probably be
slashing totally new shows. (Tanith and Apophis? <g>) >>
That would be toooo sick. After all, Apophis is a false god... a DEAD false
god. LOL. (The Stargate fans will know what I mean!)
Annie CWPack
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Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:22:11 +0200
From: Marina Bailey <fdd-tmar@netactive.co.za>
Subject: Re: ATTN: All Fan Fic writers
Annie wrote:
><< Of course, by the time Edan is 18, all the slash fans will probably be
> slashing totally new shows. (Tanith and Apophis? <g>) >>
>That would be toooo sick. After all, Apophis is a false god... a DEAD false
>god. LOL. (The Stargate fans will know what I mean!)
Hey, I haven't seen any new eps of SG-1 yet! But he wasn't dead
in the cliffhanger of the 4th season... (I think Tanith got blown
up, but I hope not!)
- Marina. (Got the DVD of the Stargate pilot ep. Sheesh. Naked women
everywhere! <g>)
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me where it is! - Tarryn
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Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:41:15 -0400
From: Sandy Fields <diamonique@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: ATTN: All Fan Fic writers
At 09:56 AM 07/13/2001 -0400, Ashton7@aol.com wrote:
>That would be toooo sick. After all, Apophis is a false god... a DEAD false
>god. LOL.
ROFL!!! Corpse slash? Has that been done yet?
-- Sandy
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Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:40:36 EDT
From: Ashton7@aol.com
Subject: Peter Wingfield, Stargate and such...
In a message dated 7/13/01 10:23:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
fdd-tmar@netactive.co.za writes:
<< Hey, I haven't seen any new eps of SG-1 yet! But he wasn't dead
in the cliffhanger of the 4th season... (I think Tanith got blown
up, but I hope not!) >>
Ooops. Sorry for the lack of spoiler spaces... here are some...
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Apophis is *apparently* killed at the end of the 5th season opener when the
ship he is on is overrun by replicators and the SG1 people (and Jacob Carter)
crash it to kill the "bugs." Tanith, however, is probably alive for two
reasons. The Tok'Ra reported a ship leaving Apophis' mother ship before the
sun went nova at Vorash and I believe Peter Wingfield has confirmed that he
will be in some episodes of Stargate this year. Also, one of the producers
confirmed that Tanith would be back this year. Tanith did not appear in the
5th season opener.
There is some talk in the 2nd episode of the season "Threshold" regarding
Apophis being a "false god... a DEAD false god" that is very relevant to
Teal'c and the others. ;-)
Annie CWPack
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Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 07:55:18 -0700
From: Lynn <lloschin@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: HL Store
From: "Tarryn Zank" <Zankt@NU.AC.ZA>
> Will the store be selling at the Con?
No, the official HL store will not be at Reunion. Holzheimer's will
be there and they are the Store's licensee, and can get hold of many
of their items. If you are interested in something in particular I
recommend contacting them ahead of time as they don't bring every item
to every con, but can probably bring something in particular upon
request. Their web site is http://www.holzheimers.com/. You can look
in the online catalog at http://highlander-official.com to see what's
currently available.
Hope that helps
Lynn
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Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:40:30 -0400
From: Debra Douglass <ddoug@catrio.org>
Subject: Belated ADMIN: Endgame Spoiler lifetime is over
It just dawned on me that I never ended the Spoiler lifetime on
"Highlander: Endgame". Sorry. I do believe that it has been released
in most if not all of the countries of people who belong to this list
and that ten months should definitely have covered it for most
people. The last release that the Internet Movie Database shows was in
Lithuania on May 25th.
So this is the official end of abiding by the Spoiler Rules for
Endgame.
The Spoiler Rules -do- apply to all current non-Highlander movies and tv
programs. 'Current' includes last season and current season for tv
programs and releases in the last six months for movies.
-Debbie
(List Goddess)
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Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 17:32:20 +0100
From: "John Mosby (B)" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: OT: Do not go gently....
Sorry. Brainfart.
(Still recovering from Nocturnal ) ;)
I mean on the Saturday night! We spoke on the Friday
----- Original Message -----
From: "Elaine Nicol" <ElaineN@compuserve.com>
To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU>
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [HL] OT: Do not go gently....
> >> I WAS at Nocturnal. Dang. Which vampire/Darla/Dru were you?
>
> :)
> John <<
>
> I know you were, we spoke for long enough. You just weren't there when
> that conversation came up.
>
> >> (went as a journalist....scary) <<
>
> I spent most of that con with journalists which is even more scary...<EG>
>
> Elaine.
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Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 18:23:25 +0100
From: "John Mosby (B)" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: ATTN: All Fan Fic writers
Well, I've never considered myself to be God's right hand, not even his
right finger or right fingernail. Not even his hang-nail. Actually I'm no
expert on religion of any kind and often find that too many people speak at
length about religion, often confusing a repetition of facts (or supposed
facts often garnered from arguable sources) with a true understanding of the
values behind it. ie: it's not important to state things, it's more
important to live your life the best way you can.
I find it futile and insulting when people try to tell me that their way is
the only way, as I'm sure they would if I did the same. I've met a ton of
people who think they have an answer to every question or a solution for
every problem. Boring as hell. Me? I have very few answers, but always enjoy
asking the questions. I think everyone learns more by discussing rather than
pontificating. If I'm asked my view, I'll give it - but frankly, I'm more
interested in why someone else holds a belief.
A stick can be a billy-club, a crutch or a pointer... just the same as a
faith and value system can be a way-of-life, a poor/convinient excuse or a
worthy challenge. As long as people respect my right to disagree with them -
then we have no problem. I'll respect anyone as long as they show the same
respect for me. The only time this can get iffy is when someone's belief
system doesn't fit in with an exisiting democratic law or rule of that
country. Debating law and debating beliefs / morality is often as confusing
as they are fascinating, but they are forever on-going issues.
Now if I had the answer for all those...I'd have the Nobel Peace Prize and
war, conflict and Britnety Spears would be things of the past.
I'll settle for the friendships I've made by never giving advice, only
looking at the options and asking 'Why?' rather than 'How?'.
John
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From: <Bizarro7@aol.com>
To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU>
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [HL] ATTN: All Fan Fic writers
> In a message dated 7/13/01 4:41:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> fdd-tmar@netactive.co.za writes:
>
> << The only thing I can get from this argument is that parents should
> not let their kids surf the Net unsupervised. I have a 13 year-old
> cousin whose father still will not let her use the Net, even if her
> 18 year-old brother is with her. Of course, this is a different
> argument. People always want society to do their jobs for them. "It's
> not the fault of lazy parents that their kid saw porn on the Net, no,
> porn is evil and people shouldn't show it!" >>
>
> Amen. What's even worse is a proponent of a particular faith with a
> particular attitude about sex in general and homosexual sex in particular,
> behaving as if it were the 'parent' morality over the entire American
> population with the aim of preserving its own particular brand of prudery,
> completely ignoring the fact that much of the population of this country
is
> NOT and never has been of that particular religion. This country was
founded
> on freedom of religion. Trying to legislate it into general use because
the
> individual believers are do damned *lazy* to practice it within their own
> community or family is morally questionable. To those who do not *belong*
to
> that religion (or indeed any organized faith), it's downright obnoxious
and
> oppressive, and it casts that faith (and by association, its founder) in a
> very bad light--certainly not what the founder originally intended.
>
> But then, a lot of folks regard themselves as appointed 'deputies' of God,
> with all the attendant rights to bludgeon everyone around them with a
moral
> billyclub.
>
> Leah CWPack
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End of HIGHLA-L Digest - 12 Jul 2001 to 13 Jul 2001 - Special issue (#2001-194)
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