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1. Spoiler space needed?? Was: Re: OT: Do not go gently....
2. No spoiler space needed.....
3. OT: Do not go gently.... (4)
4. ATTN: All Fan Fic writers (11)
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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:00:15 +0200
From: Marina Bailey <fdd-tmar@netactive.co.za>
Subject: Spoiler space needed?? Was: Re: OT: Do not go gently....
>> Saw it, didn't do anything for me.
>I knew there had to be one.
If this is related to Buffy, could you please put spoiler
space in the posts. Some of us haven't seen those episodes
yet.
- Marina.
\\ "I can read a story where Jim shows his affection ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
// with words, and one where he'd rather build a || R I C H I E >> \\
\\ bookshelf, and one where he secretly likes to ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
// wear frilly underwear." - Livia || \\
\\==fdd-tmar@netactive.co.za==Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie==//
"We're members of Clan Denial, not the Borg." - Misha
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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:02:39 +0100
From: "John Mosby (B)" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
Subject: No spoiler space needed.....
...we were dscussing merits of show, not specifics. Just said I thought one
partic ep of recent run was best thing I'd seen in years, but didn't give
away plot.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marina Bailey" <fdd-tmar@netactive.co.za>
To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 8:00 PM
Subject: [HL] Spoiler space needed?? Was: Re: OT: Do not go gently....
> >> Saw it, didn't do anything for me.
> >I knew there had to be one.
>
> If this is related to Buffy, could you please put spoiler
> space in the posts. Some of us haven't seen those episodes
> yet.
>
> - Marina.
>
> \\ "I can read a story where Jim shows his affection ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
> // with words, and one where he'd rather build a || R I C H I E >> \\
> \\ bookshelf, and one where he secretly likes to ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
> // wear frilly underwear." - Livia || \\
> \\==fdd-tmar@netactive.co.za==Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie==//
>
> "We're members of Clan Denial, not the Borg." - Misha
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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:05:30 EDT
From: Dotiran@aol.com
Subject: Re: OT: Do not go gently....
<<Saw it, didn't do anything for me.
Jette
LOL Yes, but you said the same thing about Adrian Paul, so I've *got* to worry about you. *vbeg*
[not a Buffy fan, never see it, no opinion on the real subject of this thread ]
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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:26:57 +0100
From: Jette Goldie <jette@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: OT: Do not go gently....
Dotiran says:
> <<Saw it, didn't do anything for me.
>
> Jette
>
>
> LOL Yes, but you said the same thing about Adrian Paul, so I've *got* to
worry about you. *vbeg*
Phfft - gorgeous guys are ten a penny around here, especially
at this time of year ;-)
(pity we don't get the weather to let them show it all off
properly <g>)(blue is the *in* colour for skin this week
in Edinburgh - and it AIN'T woad!!)
Jette
Glory may be fleeting, but obscurity is forever!
bosslady@scotlandmail.com
http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/fanfic.html
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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:33:02 EDT
From: Dotiran@aol.com
Subject: Re: OT: Do not go gently....
In a message dated 7/12/2001 2:27:09 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
jette@blueyonder.co.uk writes:
> (pity we don't get the weather to let them show it all off
> properly <g>)(blue is the *in* colour for skin this week
> in Edinburgh - and it AIN'T woad!!)
>
Thanks for the warning. Will pack a sweater and a coat. I leave for Inverness
next Wednesday. Highlands here I come :)
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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:38:16 -0400
From: Trilby <trilby23@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: ATTN: All Fan Fic writers
John:
> >A question though: if an actor encourages a fan-writer to continue, the
> >writer will do so with added zeal. But if an actor asked the writer to stop,
> >would that be honoured completely or would the writer of that particular
> >fanfic simply continue but keep it low-key and away from the actor? Again,
> >not a judgement, but a genuine question as to whether a fan-fic writer would
> >feel as obligated?
Marina
<snip>
> Which prompted me to rethink my earlier opinion. Actually, I don't
> think I would care what the actor thought about slash. I mean, if
> I read somewhere that, say, Adrian hated slash, I would go right
> on reading and writing it without a care in the world. If he
> asked me at a con or something to desist writing it, I'd just
> keep it low-key, I think. But, as I said in about a dozen <g>
> previous posts, I'd never show it to him in the first place, and
> hopefully he'd have more tact than to bring it up first.
OK, this brings me to repeat a question I asked a while ago on
another list (the only answer I got, Marina, was essentially "don't
know and don't care" *G*).
I've heard (third-hand, maybe even fourth- or fifth-hand, so DON'T
anyone go repeating this as gospel) that Peter Wingfield is amused
and entertained by fanfic, including slash, and looks on it quite
benevolently. I heard from the same source (who, I repeat, heard it
from someone else) that Adrian Paul, on the other hand, hates and
despises ALL fanfic with a passion - gen, het, slash, and
everything in between.
I'm curious to know if this is true, and if it is, curious to know how
the subject came up with AP in the first place.
I also admit to wondering why he'd hate it so much (intellectual
ownership of the character? Or what?), but I doubt that there's any
information about that. Idle speculation, sure. Actual knowledge of
his reasons? Doubtful.
------------ Trilby
"Who's the African-American professional investigator who has
safe, consensual sex with strong, independent women who work for
equal pay? Shaft." - Steve 2000
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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:55:53 -0400
From: jjswbt@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: ATTN: All Fan Fic writers
John asked:
>>A question though: if an actor encourages a fan-writer to continue, the
>>writer will do so with added zeal. But if an actor asked the writer to
>stop,would that be honoured completely or would the writer of that particular
>>fanfic simply continue but keep it low-key and away from the actor?
>Again,not a judgement, but a genuine question as to whether a fan-fic writer
>would feel as obligated?
Marina answers:
> Actually, I don't
>think I would care what the actor thought about slash. I mean, if
>I read somewhere that, say, Adrian hated slash, I would go right
>on reading and writing it without a care in the world. If he
>asked me at a con or something to desist writing it, I'd just
>keep it low-key, I think. But, as I said in about a dozen <g>
>previous posts, I'd never show it to him in the first place, and
>hopefully he'd have more tact than to bring it up first.
This is a fascinating attitude. I'm not saying you're "wrong"..I'm just bemused <g>
.: ::Playing Devil's Advocate::::
You are very open in admitting that fanfic is illegal (rightly or wrongly). You stress that fanfic should be kept under the radar so as not to force TPTB to deal with your illegal activities - apparently operating under the "if they don't catch me, I'm not doing anything wrong" philosophy. You know that your activities offend some people..including some of the people who are written into your stories- and yet you would feel no need to cease and desist even if asked directly by one of those people. Your need to produce and read new stories apparently outweighs any other concern.
I'm moved to ask whether this attitude applies to other activities as well?
If everyone was stealing cars..and there was only a 1 in a 1000 chance that anyone would get caught..and you mostly returned the cars undamaged...would you join in and steal a car? You really enjoy driving and ...you don't want to have to drive the same old car all the time. What if the guy whose car was being stolen asked you to stop?
If everyone is doing cocaine and there is almost no chance of getting caught and most of the time everyone does it without physical damage ..would you do cocaine too? You really like cocaine and once is never enough. What if the mother of a kid who died from an overdose asked you to stop? What if your own mother asked you to stop?
What if everyone was posting doctored nude pictures of movie stars on their web sites....no one is getting arrested....some actors think it is funny....lots of people are offended...including some people who suddenly find nude pictures of themselves being posted even though they have never posed nude. Would you post some too? You really like looking at nude actors -even if unsanctioned ..and you don't want to have to stare at the same one all the time. Would you stop if asked by one of the people pictured?
:::End Devil's Advocate :::
I don't think fanfic - gen or het or slash - is the end of the world. Mostly it's harmless unoffensive drivel unlikely to be confused with any sanctioned product. But..I can't imagine that I would continue to write it if asked directly to stop. I especially can't imagine writing and posting more if I was asked to stop by one of the actors who is being "used" to fuel my fantasies (whatever those fantasies might be). If I knew for a fact that AP hated the image of Duncan that I was helping to send out over the Net..I would stop..because ..well..he's a human being with feelings that deserve to be respected once known. If PW said a few years from now.."Hey, I've got a son who loves the Methos character and he's old enough to surf the Net...I don't want him finding all that slash fanfic .." I would probably take down any slash I had up. ..because I wouldn't want to be the one who "ruined" a kid's image of his Dad.
I think once I knew the actor's feeling on the matter..it really wouldn't matter to me whether he ever saw my stuff or not.. I wouldn't continue. But then...that's just *me*.
Wendy(I've been rewatching Season 4)( I should be rewatching Raven.)(Maybe later.)
Fairy Killer
jjswbt@earthlink.net
http://home.earthlink.net/~jjswbt/index.html
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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:25:04 -0400
From: Trilby <trilby23@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: ATTN: All Fan Fic writers
Wendy wrote:
> .: ::Playing Devil's Advocate::::
>
> You are very open in admitting that fanfic is illegal (rightly or wrongly). You stress that fanfic should be kept under the radar so as not to force TPTB to deal with your illegal activities - apparently operating under the "if they don't catch me, I'm not doing anything wrong" philosophy. You
know that your activities offend some people..including some of the people who are written into your stories- and yet you would feel no need to cease and desist even if asked directly by one of those people. Your need to produce and read new stories apparently outweighs any other concern.
I think that all of us who write acknowledge know that it's illegal
and, to some degree, immoral. But I see it, by and large, as a
"victimless crime". I suppose there may be actors, writers, or
some such out there who've been *materially* injured by fanfic, but
I've never actually heard of it happening. As far as "not liking it" -
don't read it.
> I'm moved to ask whether this attitude applies to other activities as well?
In my world, it often does. If I'm not harming myself or someone
else, or decreasing someone's material gains, my guilt quotient is
very low.
An example: At work, we're required by law to take a one-hour
lunch break, and if we don't, we can be fired. I work for the state,
and the state won't allow itself to be put in the position of infringing
on fair employment practices, so even if we WANT to work through
lunch, we're not allowed to.
Guess how many of us do it anyway?
And if I only take 30 minutes for lunch, but sign out for an hour as
required, I don't feel one bit guilty about signing in a half-hour early
the next day.
> If everyone was stealing cars..and there was only a 1 in a 1000 chance that anyone would get caught..and you mostly returned the cars undamaged...would you join in and steal a car? You really enjoy driving and ...you don't want to have to drive the same old car all the time. What if the guy
whose car was being stolen asked you to stop?
Stealing a car invariably will cause material harm to *someone*.
Not getting caught isn't the issue. With fanfic, "not getting caught"
is essentially just giving TPTB "plausible deniability" - if we don't
wave a red cape at the bull, it will refrain from taking notice of us.
Another example: I do drive over the speed limit as long as I'm
careful and the traffic will allow it, and I think I won't get caught. I
know it's illegal. I know it's to some degree immoral to knowingly
break the law. I just don't happen to feel one bit guilty over it,
because nobody's getting hurt.
If I were to crash and (God forbid) injure another person and/or their
car while I'm speeding, than I deserve whatever punishment is
meted out to me, because I caused harm to come to another
person.
<snip of other examples>
> :::End Devil's Advocate :::
>
> I don't think fanfic - gen or het or slash - is the end of the world. Mostly it's harmless unoffensive drivel unlikely to be confused with any sanctioned product. But..I can't imagine that I would continue to write it if asked directly to stop. I especially can't imagine writing and posting
more if I was asked to stop by one of the actors who is being "used" to fuel my fantasies (whatever those fantasies might be). If I knew for a fact that AP hated the image of Duncan that I was helping to send out over the Net..I would stop..because ..well..he's a human being with feelings that
deserve to be respected once known. If PW said a few years from now.."Hey, I've got a son who loves the Methos character and he's old enough to surf the Net...I don't want him finding all that slash fanfic .." I would probably take down any slash I had up. ..because I wouldn't want to be the one
who "ruined" a kid's image of his Dad.
Hmmmm. Interesting thought. I don't know how I'd feel under
those circumstances. Depending on the age, a child isn't
necessarily responsible for his own actions (choosing what to read
and what not to read) and may not be mature enough to deal with
"Dad doing slash" or "Dad on the Web naked".
>
> I think once I knew the actor's feeling on the matter..it really wouldn't matter to me whether he ever saw my stuff or not.. I wouldn't continue. But then...that's just *me*.
Hmmmm again. This may reflect poorly on my character, but I'd
have to say, "He's a big boy, he knows the price of fame, and it's
easy enough to avoid reading it if it offends him so much."
------------------- Trilby (who didn't quite realize how immoral she
could be till she started writing about breaking the rules and not
caring. *G*)
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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:03:53 EDT
From: Ashton7@aol.com
Subject: Re: ATTN: All Fan Fic writers
In a message dated 7/12/01 7:24:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
trilby23@bellsouth.net writes:
<< Hmmmm again. This may reflect poorly on my character, but I'd
have to say, "He's a big boy, he knows the price of fame, and it's
easy enough to avoid reading it if it offends him so much." >>
Not only that, for the vast majority of cases, the actor/actress who played a
role does not own the copyright on the universe or the character. They have
nothing to say about who does or doesn't write derivative (or official, for
that matter) fiction about a character they were once paid to play. In fact,
actors are sometimes replaced in roles and the previous actor has nothing to
say about that situation. Adrian Paul or whomever can say they dislike fan
fiction until they are blue in the face but there's very little that they
personally can do about fiction written revolving around fictional characters
that they do not own the rights to themselves.
Annie CWPack
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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:19:28 -1000
From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net>
Subject: Re: OT: Do not go gently....
Jette (re: that particular ep of that other show)--
> Saw it, didn't do anything for me.
Me either. Read the hoopla about The Body so re-watched--again,
blech--seemed a relatively weak effort to me. I do like the series, but it
has so many eps that easily outshine this one....
Nina
geiger@maui.net
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Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 01:22:16 +0100
From: "John Mosby (B)" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: ATTN: All Fan Fic writers
I think you misunderstood my question. Never suggested that the actors could
LEGALLY force you to stop writing... at least not under the current example.
My question was simply to ask whether a fanfic writer would feel that if an
actor's nod of approval seems like an endorsement and a reason to carry on,
whether a fanfic writer would feel MORALLY (not legally) obligated to abide
by an actor's wish NOT to.
ie: a postive actor reaction has been mentioned here as a valid/taciturn
permission to carry on, but would you consider a negative actor reaction a
reason to stop? If not, isn't that a double-standard?
And, 'once yet more again', this isn't an anti-fanfic stance, I'm just
intrigued by some of the reasoning I'm heaing in this thread.
John
From: <Ashton7@aol.com>
To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU>
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 1:03 AM
Subject: Re: [HL] ATTN: All Fan Fic writers
> In a message dated 7/12/01 7:24:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> trilby23@bellsouth.net writes:
>
> << Hmmmm again. This may reflect poorly on my character, but I'd
> have to say, "He's a big boy, he knows the price of fame, and it's
> easy enough to avoid reading it if it offends him so much." >>
>
> Not only that, for the vast majority of cases, the actor/actress who
played a
> role does not own the copyright on the universe or the character. They
have
> nothing to say about who does or doesn't write derivative (or official,
for
> that matter) fiction about a character they were once paid to play. In
fact,
> actors are sometimes replaced in roles and the previous actor has nothing
to
> say about that situation. Adrian Paul or whomever can say they dislike fan
> fiction until they are blue in the face but there's very little that they
> personally can do about fiction written revolving around fictional
characters
> that they do not own the rights to themselves.
>
> Annie CWPack
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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:48:44 -0400
From: jjswbt@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: ATTN: All Fan Fic writers
Annie says:
>Not only that, for the vast majority of cases, the actor/actress who
>played a role does not own the copyright on the universe or the character.
>They have nothing to say about who does or doesn't write derivative
> (or official, for that matter) fiction about a character they were once
>paid to play. In fact, actors are sometimes replaced in roles and
> the previous actor has nothing to say about that situation.
> Adrian Paul or whomever can say they dislike fan
>fiction until they are blue in the face but there's very little that they
>personally can do about fiction written revolving around fictional
>characters that they do not own the rights to themselves.
Of course. No one I'm aware of was arguing that the actor had an *legal* right to the character or what was done with (to?) it. AP doesn't own Duncan..PW doesn't own Methos..VP doesn't own Kronos. Actors can indeed be replaced on TPTB's whim and they usually have no say in what the character does while they are playing the part.
My point was that, when an actor becomes closely associated with a particular character...I personally would feel weird writing fanfic that involved that character in situations that I knew *for a fact* made the actor uncomfortable. It has nothing to do with legalities..only sensibilities. I know that Peter is *not* Methos. I also know that when someone reads a fanfic about Methos..it is Peter they are imagining in the part. If Peter had said that he found Methos slash very disturbing..I would probably not write Methos slash...out of consideration for his feelings. OTOH, an actor's statement that he or she hates all fanfic of all types would probably bother me less..because such an objection doesn't strike me as "personal".
Again..it has nothing to do with legalities or rights or ownership.
Wendy(Not at all sure that being "famous" makes one fair game for anything anyone wants to throw at you.)
Fairy Killer
jjswbt@earthlink.net
http://home.earthlink.net/~jjswbt/index.html
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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:52:33 -1000
From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net>
Subject: Re: ATTN: All Fan Fic writers
Marina (about AP's often-supposed distaste of fanfic/slash)--
> I'd never show it to him in the first place, and
> hopefully he'd have more tact than to bring it up first.
Are you just _dedicated_ to making me laugh out loud & scare the cats?
You expect TACT from AP (or any TPTB offended by fanfic/slash), while you &
yours blithely continue violating their rights....
Nina
geiger@maui.net
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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:53:20 -1000
From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net>
Subject: Re: ATTN: All Fan Fic writers
Diana--
> But you didn't respond to Carmel's reminder about the
> fanfic that is sanctioned and encouraged on the
> actual, official HL site. Since it's on there -
> doesn't this mean we are all more or less privy to his
> feelings and thoughts on this topic?
Oh, gosh, I am SOOOOOOO sorry that I slipped up & failed to respond to a
single substantive issue in this topic. Must be catching, since Carrie,
Marina, Carmel & YOU all failed to respond to most of the substantive points
I raised against distributing fanfic. (Except for Marina's "fanfic's
fun/you're mean" rebuttal, of course.)
Let's see--I know nothing about this forum on the site that supposedly
encourages fanfic. But, if you still want my opinion, OK.
Do we have any reason to think Bill Panzer has a clue about it? I mean, as
I understand these things, the official website is contracted out much like
the HL Store. While I'm all for holding DPP responsible for everything from
crappy merchandising practices to canon goofs in HL:EG, I really doubt BP is
personally aware of the various spiels (ranging from insanely inaccurate to
fraudulent) the HL: Store clerks use, for instance. So, I also doubt BP
hand-crafted the website or is even aware of all its aspects. Very
possibly, he's clueless about the existence of this particular forum (which
is one of many, I believe). So, relying on it to soothe one's conscience as
a fanfic writer seems pretty lame, to me. Saying it makes you privy to BP's
thoughts & feelings about something as loaded as fanfic/slash is just naive.
But, assuming that TPTB DID knowingly set up this fanfic forum, it strikes
me as borderline brilliant (which is another reason I doubt it was
intentional....). What better way to keep an eye on fanfic writers, in the
"keep your enemies closer" tradition? And, though I don't know the terms of
this particular site, many times posting to a forum automatically transfers
ownership rights in the material posted to the forum owner. So--DPP gets
back what the fanfic writers took--w/ interest. Diabolical, really....
Nina
geiger@maui.net
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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:07:11 -1000
From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net>
Subject: Re: ATTN: All Fan Fic writers
Carmel--
> and I don't recall that there is any list rule about not being able to
> participate if you haven't participated early on????
But, the point is--you STILL aren't participating. Your slinging sarcasm
around until we're all hip deep in it is no substitute for actually
discussing the issue. I'm a fan of sarcasm & understand its utility, but
it cannot hide the fact that you & others here have put forth no reasoned
defense for distributing fanfic. It's just something you want to do & so
will do, no matter what.
While fanfic is a trivial issue compared to almost anything else, the
_mindset_ behind what you & others have said here is frightening, should it
extend beyond the trivial. And, why shouldn't it?
Nina
geiger@maui.net
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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:18:26 -0400
From: "Carrie V. Key" <reeana1@home.com>
Subject: Re: ATTN: All Fan Fic writers
----- Original Message -----
From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net>
> Diana--
> > But you didn't respond to Carmel's reminder about the
> > fanfic that is sanctioned and encouraged on the
> > actual, official HL site. Since it's on there -
> > doesn't this mean we are all more or less privy to his
> > feelings and thoughts on this topic?
>
> Oh, gosh, I am SOOOOOOO sorry that I slipped up & failed to respond to a
> single substantive issue in this topic. Must be catching, since Carrie,
> Marina, Carmel & YOU all failed to respond to most of the substantive
points
> I raised against distributing fanfic. (Except for Marina's "fanfic's
> fun/you're mean" rebuttal, of course.)
>
A bunch of the times I saw no point in responding since someone else usually
beat me to it and stated what I was gonna say. We get alimited number of
posts here per day and I don't want to use them up needlessly. As a far as
slash is concerned IMO, I don't care about it either way. I've read some
great slash fics and I've read some down right disturbing ones. It's just
like any other fan fic to me. Now if it disturbs (like other fics as well)
the actor, commom curtsey should be taken to limit it on the charater. If
TPTB say it's a no-no (and not just slash either) then there's no common
curtesy about it. It better be taken down and not distributed.
And I never posted the original post to turn it into one huge legal
discussion and people in one corner saying it's totally illegal and everyone
who is doing it should stop and others in that corner saying it's 100% legal
and everyone should be doing it. But the fact is Fan fic has existed in one
form or another for a very long time. Some accept it, and some don't. It is
also not entirely legal nor is it entirely illegal. Very good points have
been made on both sides, and although I am a supporter of Fan fic, I can see
*some* points-of-view from the non-supporters. As is the case in any and
everything out there, there are those who can ruin for others and give
everyone a bad name. We've ssen our fair share of that (particulary over the
last year with Lance).
I am a writer of Fan Fiction. I've written a few HL ones. I've written
others that deal with movies, real people, even RPGs. I ama big fan of
giving credit where it is due, hence my support for disclaimers. Do I feel
dirty when I write these stories? No. I've always been into writing extra
episodes for my favorite TV shows (or cartoons) and maybe take the
characters from a movie I just saw and bring them life once again. I've also
taken a few of favorite musicians or music groups and put them into various
situations. If I'm breaking any laws, I'm sorry. I honestly don't believe I
am.
> But, assuming that TPTB DID knowingly set up this fanfic forum, it strikes
> me as borderline brilliant (which is another reason I doubt it was
> intentional....). What better way to keep an eye on fanfic writers, in
the
> "keep your enemies closer" tradition? And, though I don't know the terms
of
> this particular site, many times posting to a forum automatically
transfers
> ownership rights in the material posted to the forum owner. So--DPP gets
> back what the fanfic writers took--w/ interest. Diabolical, really....
Honestly I don't see it as keeping your enemies close. I see it as more of a
positive reaction to a growing community. Hey, for all we know, they may be
trying to search out some new writers for possible new shows or even books.
I know of several people that have gotten jobs through fan fic writing. For
thos eof you out there that are fans of the Palladium RPGs and more
respectively RIFTS, the book Seige at Tolkien had it's lovely start as a fan
fic:). Maryann and Kevin Siembieda and a few others in th ePalldium world
caught wind of it and snacthed it up and published it. Hell, I'd love it if
something like that happened to me! But do I sit here and disillusion mysef
that it will? No. Are there those there who do? I have no doubt.
> While fanfic is a trivial issue compared to almost anything else, the
> _mindset_ behind what you & others have said here is frightening, should
it
> extend beyond the trivial. And, why shouldn't it?
What exactly have we said that has been so frieghtening? For the most part I
agree with Marina, but not on everything she has said. Same with John, Annie
and everyone else that has posted here. I just don't see what is so
friegtening about it.
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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:37:02 -0700
From: Lynn <lloschin@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: ATTN: All Fan Fic writers
From: "Geiger" <geiger@MAUI.NET>
>So, I also doubt BP
> hand-crafted the website or is even aware of all its aspects. Very
> possibly, he's clueless about the existence of this particular forum
(which
> is one of many, I believe).
Bill is definitely aware of the web boards and what's said on them.
Those boards aren't there out of altrusism... they are a marketing
tool for DPP.
Lynn
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