There are 18 messages totalling 847 lines in this issue. Topics in this special issue: 1. further OT..was O/T: List mommy's e-mail address? 2. Jim Byrnes Show 3. ATTN: All Fan Fic writers (8) 4. Berne Convention, Copyright, fair use and moral rights 5. O/T: List mommies and Goddessnessnessnesses (2) 6. Highla-L' has been around for how long? 7. "Endgame" video question. (4) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:31:23 -0400 From: Julie Beamer <jbeamer@infi.net> Subject: Re: further OT..was O/T: List mommy's e-mail address? Marina Bailey wrote: > I'm not sure how it got started, but many lists like to think of > themselves as "families", and the person in charge is thought of > as being the Listmom (or dad). I suppose, like actual parents, > they are expected to stop the listmembers (listsibs) from > fighting, kick off people for posting lies (like that Connor guy, > I've forgotten his name), keep threads from going too far off- > topic... kind like what parents do in real life. > > I personally think it's kinda silly. I have lots of friends on > various lists, but I doubt they'd take kindly to being referred to > as my "list siblings". A former list denizen had another term for us: "I've always thought of you as my imaginary friends." (That kind of ended the discussion at the time.) <bg> Julie Founding Geezer, etc. (who heads off to the Geezer Porch with zk and an armfull of calendars, wondering how they could have missed the Weazul's annual vacation and the list pool party.) -- jbeamer@infi.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 20:44:14 -0700 From: Sherry Kirkvold <kirkvold@islandnet.com> Subject: Re: Jim Byrnes Show Jim Byrnes plays live here in Victoria on Friday the 13th at the Ingy Pub! Cheers! Sherry Sherry Kirkvold kirkvold@islandnet.com Tideline Communications 250-595-6753 Victoria, B.C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 05:34:49 +0100 From: "John Mosby (B)" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: ATTN: All Fan Fic writers > John-- > > Some writers write because...the alternative is unthinkable. > > Yes, but if what they write is fanfic, they have no right to distribute it. > To most professional writers, I would think that writing & distributing w/o > permission material based in a universe created by _other_ writers would be > truly unthinkable. As a professional writer I know full well that when I was younger and hopefully honing any talent I do have, then I was inspired by tv shows and probably put quill to parchment with ideas from that myself. I don't see anything wrong with that and I actually think it's a good way to learn how to write. Nor do I really have a problem with said writer/fan showing his friends what he has written. To be anti fanfic is absurd because it is natural response for anyone with an ounce of creativity to try. Artists draw, writer write etc etc. It's not playing in another person's toybox that I find unthinkable. What is surprising has been that some people's attitude is that getting access to the toybox in someone else's garden makes them think they have automatic right to do what they want there without reproach. It's like an old lady who doesn't really mind that the neighbourhood kids come and swim in her private lake. She has every right to stop them, but sees no need to do so unless they cause damage or ill-treat her property. Just because she's let people use the lake for years, doesn't mean the neighbourhood has a right to do whatever it wants. It's use has continued because of a healthy respect of the usage from both sides. My only point has been to say that fanfic writers should play nicely and quietly and realise that their usually harmless hobby can take on more serious problems if it a) becomes widely orloudly distributed or b) tackles issues that the writer knows that people may find controversial whether said writer thinks they SHOULD be controversial is irrelevent, it's the effect not the cause) You can't stop fanfic and I don't believe that anyone should try. Most fanfic writers do so for their own pleasure, rather than making a (sometimes token) profit....but if a fanfic writer gets a little too uppity or up-their-own-arse about their rights or starts to make money, they have to be reminded where they legally stand and by whose pleasure they do so. John ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 22:00:37 -0700 From: Lynn <lloschin@sprynet.com> Subject: Re: Berne Convention, Copyright, fair use and moral rights From: "Dragon Lady" <dragonlady@darkmage.net> > (1) Independently of the author's economic rights, and even after the > transfer of the said rights, the author shall have the right to claim > authorship of the work and to object to any distortion, mutilation or other > modification of, or other derogatory action in relation to, the said work, > which would be prejudicial to his honor or reputation. Yes, that's in the Convention -- but the US has implemented this in a very limited way for works of fine art only. Under US law, most treaties don't mean crap without domestic legislation to implement them. Most do not have the power of law in and of themselves. In legal parlance, they are not "self-executing." In the U.S., copyright is first and foremost an economic right, and must be because of the Constitution. Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:56:52 +0200 From: Marina Bailey <fdd-tmar@netactive.co.za> Subject: Re: ATTN: All Fan Fic writers John wrote: >You can't stop fanfic and I don't believe that anyone should try. Most >fanfic writers do so for their own pleasure, rather than making a (sometimes >token) profit....but if a fanfic writer gets a little too uppity or >up-their-own-arse about their rights or starts to make money, they have to >be reminded where they legally stand and by whose pleasure they do so. Well, we seem to be agreed on that. :) I found an interesting post by someone on Fanfic & Copyright which people might find interesting. I'm not sure I would agree with what it says, but it's interesting nonetheless: http://www.geocities.com/cc_ssd/copyright.html Sorry about the 'Nita' thing, Nina. I know who you are, really. But come on - veiled insults? I would never do that. If I insulted you, you would know it. Kindergartens? Prisons? I think I should feel insulted, not you. Oh well. I'm glad we're not discussing it anymore. It was getting tiresome. - Marina. \\ "You can spend precious time marching in your ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // // perfect lines, but I don't hear that drum; I'm || R I C H I E >> \\ \\ looking for something else. And if you don't ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // //like what you see, you don't have to look at me."|| \\ \\==fdd-tmar@netactive.co.za=Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie==// "Cultural artifacts always come alive and take over the ship." - My brother, watching Star Trek Voyager. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:51:37 -0400 From: Carmel Macpherson <Carmel@stuartfieldhouse.com> Subject: Re: ATTN: All Fan Fic writers Hi all Nina: <<..To most professional writers, I would think that writing & distributing w/o permission material based in a universe created by _other_ writers would be truly unthinkable....>> Gosh - does that mean that every article and novel and script based on the Bible, should never have been written because they are based on a universe created by, amongst others, Matthew, Mark et al???? Come to think of it, it would even mean that the Bible itself shouldn't have been written by those ancient fanfic writers, given that the concepts were not original! Nina: <<..So, where's the right to take someone else's intellectual property w/o permission & use it for your own purposes? To not only write fanfic--fine--but to widely distribute it--not fine. OTHER THAN--because you want to, & it's fun?...>> My my my...such moral outrage! You'll forgive those of us who would prefer to allow the actual copyright owners to decide whether they are or are not outraged. I don't recall Bill electing you as his spokesperson. He is very quick to act when he believes that someone has gone beyond the pale,- as with the web release of the script of Highlander 4. D-P's lawyers were on to it in a flash. Thus far he has not felt what you insist that he does, in terms of fanfic. Indeed, if what you are expressing on his behalf were true then I wonder why D-P have as a part of the Official Highlander site a Board devoted solely to fanfic??? It's called 'Highlander Chain Stories' and is listed as: ""..The place for fans to collaborate on Highlander-themed stories. ..." But rest assured Nina that I have truly taken your views to heart re the evils of slash and was about to take myself off to Confession to desperately seek forgiveness and absolution for my stained and soiled soul but then I realised that I couldn't in conscience go and seek absolution in a universe created by another as this would only compound my wickedness and who knows what further sin I might fall into, being such a depraved and degraded heap of detritus. I'm glad that you've been able to give us all such a clear perspective now on where true evil resides - I *used* to think that there were worse things in the world than writers of slash but I see now that I was mistaken. As Methos so incisively pointed out, "Hitler was just a poor boy whose mother didn't love him.." (or something similar). ...mea culpa...mea culpa...mea maxima culpa....of course, that Evil Duncan MacLeod has known of the state of my soul for quite some time and it just doesn't seem to matter how often I retreat to my prayer stool, those MacLeods just bring out the worst in me! Nina I truly need all the help I can get! All those fellow fanfic writers (and especially s:::s::::sla:::::slas::::nope - just can't bring myself to even type the word any more -my fingers started to wither...)are welcome to join me in communal choir singing at the url below: http://members.ozemail.com.au/~tunnack/edmfanfi.htm We shall begin at Vespers with 'Tales from the Prayer Stool 1' (or, 'EDM and *those* Rosary Beads') http://members.ozemail.com.au/~tunnack/edmpray1.htm Can I stop beating my breast now...I'm beginning to cough...and EDM doesn't like it.... p.s. The Evil Duncan Corp is having a week devoted to Erotica. Pagan said: <<...His UnHoliness, for no other reason than He's unholy and likes to stir up trouble, has decided to name this coming week "Shrine Erotic Week" and demands that we all write romantic, sexy, steamy or downright raunchy stories about His magnificent prowess in bed. (Or out of it for that matter!) He's even commissioned me to make a Celtic mirror adorned with His exquisite face at the moment of ecstasy to be gifted to the author of the most drool-inducing short story as an enticement.... (See attached scan) ...>> Sigh...there is just no hope for we our little band of happy, cheerful fanfic writers...damned, damned and doubly damned........well at least it's het....then again, that Evil Methos is a law unto himself and never ever obeys Pagan's instructions!!! I saw him just the other day surreptitiously watching EDM ... Kind regards @ Carmel Macpherson: <<<@{}=================>>> Chief EDFWs @ carmel@hldu.org http://www.carmelmacpherson.com/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Highlander DownUnder: The Official HL Fan Club of Australia PO Box 198, Brisbane Albert St QLD 4002, Australia. OR, for US members, make out checks to Fran and send $US25 to: Fran Koerner P. O. Box 3565, Palos Verdes, CA 90274 Visit the HLDU club site: http://www.hldu.org ***HLDU5. May 2003. Brisbane*** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:13:49 +0200 From: Marina Bailey <fdd-tmar@netactive.co.za> Subject: Re: ATTN: All Fan Fic writers Carmel wrote: >Sigh...there is just no hope for we our little band of happy, cheerful >fanfic writers...damned, damned and doubly damned........ Don't worry, Carmel, when they lock us all up in that prison for kindergarteners (or is that the kindergarten for prisoners), we can share a cell and go right on being evil and depraved, even if we have to write our evil, evil, bad, bad fanfic on the walls! We'll use charcoal if we have to. Nothing will stop us! (Cue maniacal laughter.) - Marina, glad for some perspective from Carmel. \\ "You can spend precious time marching in your ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // // perfect lines, but I don't hear that drum; I'm || R I C H I E >> \\ \\ looking for something else. And if you don't ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // //like what you see, you don't have to look at me."|| \\ \\==fdd-tmar@netactive.co.za=Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie==// "I'm sick of Napoleon XIV, I'm sick of Blue, I'm sick of Tentacle Boy, and guess what? I'm sick of you!" - John to Aeryn, Farscape ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:32:51 -0400 From: KLZ <zklee@patriot.net> Subject: O/T: List mommies and Goddessnessnessnesses Marina's brandishing her flagpole ;-D: > > >I personally think it's kinda silly. I have lots of friends on > >various lists, but I doubt they'd take kindly to being referred to > >as my "list siblings". And the term "listmom" seems to me to be > >very condescending. I prefer Debbie's term, List Goddessnessness. > >:) > Sandy's doing a "me too" post! Sandy's doing a "me too" post! > Me too. I was once on a list that had a List Mom. She treated everyone > like babies, wouldn't allow any controversial discussion (this was a > LaFemme Nikita list), no discussion about the sexual tension that was very > evident between the two main characters, she spoke to everyone as if they > were 4 years old, and her list eventually blew up (with the help of a > couple of internet geezers <eg>). I *can't* imagine *WHO*! ;-D > > I like our ListGoddessnessnessness much better. She runs a list for > adults. I dare say this list is at its best when there is controversial > discussion and good intelligent debate. Debbie only jumps in when it's > absolutely necessary... and then she wields her whip with pure expertise. <g> > Hail O List Goddessnessnessness, Three-Armed One, Brandisher of Whips, Whapper of Those Who Do Not Use Spoiler Spaces! I think that identification of the list owner is both a response to the tone of the list, and also helps to set the tone of the list. I haven't been on *that* many lists, but the ones with List Mommies tend to be - um - how to put it politely - they tend to have a lot more rules and monitoring of tone. Lists with a "List Owner" tend to be less personal; more mature. You find that a lot on professional lists. I know of only two lists that refer to the list owner as "List Goddess". One is moderated for good reason, but the parameters of what you can and can't do are clearly defined, there for all to read, and are appropriate to the nature of the forum. The other one is Highla-L. This was my first experience with an e-mail list and maybe I got spoiled. List Goddesses seem to define pretty clearly what is unacceptable, but once that's defined, they have a hands-off approach to how people post. In turn, the list members take on <deity>-like attributes. Opinions are stronger, tone is sharper, and discussion goes much deeper than any other list that I've encountered. I think it's more interesting that way. If the Tone Police were monitoring posts, we'd never have the experience of seeing what other people really think, why they think it, and when a discussion between several strong personalities will start to turn into the prelude to the inevitable argument. If we had someone constantly sending back messages for "tone", we'd miss getting to know some pretty neat people. The down side is that it makes it difficult for PoRA(tm) to overcome the shock of encountering people who discuss to the point of argument, and explains why certain - um - topics come up every few months. I also think that the earliest days of this list, with Founding Geezers like Julie and Claire and Wendy, and beloved personalities like Kip :::: bowing head in rememberance ::::, set the foundation for discussion here. It's been diluted somewhat, simply because HL is over, but I think the foundation is still there. Where else could you find a Sally Struthers infomercial and cows in trenchcoats trying to steal Monique's quote database? <g> Of course, then, there's "List Tyrants". <g> For PoRA(tm), the "Three-Armed One" refers to l*g*n's *shudder* visual image of Debbie as a three-armed Goddess. One arm holds a sword, one holds a whip, and one holds a keyboard. The whips, btw, are literal. I have pictures. I also have a picture of the List Weezul eating a cookie. ZK (What other list has both a List Weasel and a List Unny-Bay?)(Q: Why did the HL chicken cross the road? A: He was the last of the coop of Al-Deneb) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:37:13 -0400 From: KLZ <zklee@patriot.net> Subject: Re: Highla-L' has been around for how long? > > > Ahhhh, memories. I remember well the damp, pink newbie I was and being silly > enough to get into a debate of some sort with one of the geezers. LOL! and I > thought I was a true "fan" - I learned fast though I think. :) So, how can > we find out how long we've been members of the list? Hah. WHippersnappers. Why, in *MY* day, I came on the List and started a roll call. So did Liser. Mine was red hair. Liser's was who was scottish. I vaguely remember your early days; don't remember the geezer or the argument, though. Debating with a geezer didn't make blue smoke come out of the back of your 'puter, now, did it? <g> ZK (If Duncan were a fruit...) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 21:26:08 +0200 From: Marina Bailey <fdd-tmar@netactive.co.za> Subject: Re: O/T: List mommies and Goddessnessnessnesses I don't think this is off-topic... HL is in here!! ZK wrote: >>[Sandy] Me too. I was once on a list that had a List Mom. She treated >>everyone like babies, >I *can't* imagine *WHO*! ;-D Okay, who?? >I haven't been on *that* many lists, but the ones with >List Mommies tend to be - um - how to put it politely - they tend >to have a lot more rules and monitoring of tone. And more attention to petty little details >List Goddesses seem to define pretty clearly what is >unacceptable, but once that's defined, they have a hands-off >approach to how people post. In turn, the list members take on ><deity>-like attributes. Opinions are stronger, tone is sharper, >and discussion goes much deeper than any other list that I've >encountered. I think it's more interesting that way. Oh, definitely. Not to mention that a person actually learns things. Whether it's about Scotland, how scripts are written, not to piss off the Weasel... it's a learning experience. And that can never be a bad thing. >The down side is that >it makes it difficult for PoRA(tm) to overcome the shock of >encountering people who discuss to the point of argument, and >explains why certain - um - topics come up every few months. And why we have a schedule. Who threw it off *this* time?? :) >I also think that the earliest days of this list, with Founding >Geezers like Julie and Claire and Wendy, and beloved >personalities like Kip :::: bowing head in rememberance ::::, >set the foundation for discussion here. It's been diluted >somewhat, simply because HL is over, but I think the foundation >is still there. Where else could you find a Sally Struthers >infomercial and cows in trenchcoats trying to steal Monique's >quote database? <g> My favourite HL analogy was the Tidal Pool. And those pool parties when the Weasel was away were fun, too... :) I still miss Kip. >For PoRA(tm), the "Three-Armed One" refers to l*g*n's *shudder* >visual image of Debbie as a three-armed Goddess. Hey, what happened to l*g*n, anyway? And Danny?? >Q: Why did the HL chicken cross the road? A: He was >the last of the coop of Al-Deneb) I love those!! I was actually looking through some old files and found a Forever Knight file in which listmembers from Forkni-L had written what FK would have been like if it had been written by other authors. Example: if it had been written by Paul Haggis (creator of Due South), Schanke would have been Italian, and from Chicago. Nick would have been a Mountie and gone everywhere followed by Perry, the vampire dog. Stuff like that. Anyone interested in trying that with Highlander?? - Marina. \\ "You can spend precious time marching in your ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // // perfect lines, but I don't hear that drum; I'm || R I C H I E >> \\ \\ looking for something else. And if you don't ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // //like what you see, you don't have to look at me."|| \\ \\==fdd-tmar@netactive.co.za=Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie==// "I'm sick of Napoleon XIV, I'm sick of Blue, I'm sick of Tentacle Boy, and guess what? I'm sick of you!" - John to Aeryn, Farscape ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:38:26 -0700 From: Stephen Bryce <sibryce@yahoo.com> Subject: "Endgame" video question. I was looking for "Endgame" at one of my local video stores, the other day. They had the DVD version, but when I'd asked about the VHS tape, the guy at the counter said that it wasn't available, as far as he knew. Does anyone know when it's going to be out for sell-through VHS? Stephen Bryce Author, "Highlander: The Legacy" ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:26:12 EDT From: Dotiran@aol.com Subject: Re: "Endgame" video question. In a message dated 7/11/2001 2:49:27 PM US Eastern Standard Time, sibryce@yahoo.com writes: > when I'd asked about the VHS tape, the guy at the > counter said that it wasn't available, as far as he > knew I got it at our local video store on vhs the week it came out, didn't own a dvd player. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:36:09 -0700 From: Deborah Dunlap <zyg97m@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: "Endgame" video question. I got mine from Columbia House. Picked up the DVD used from Blockbuster. But no VHS there or at Wal-Mart or Sam's. Debbie D > sibryce@yahoo.com writes: > > when I'd asked about the VHS tape, the guy at the > > counter said that it wasn't available, as far as > he > > knew > --- Dotiran@aol.com wrote: > I got it at our local video store on vhs the week it > came out, didn't own a > dvd player. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:52:35 -1000 From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net> Subject: Re: ATTN: All Fan Fic writers Carmel-- > Gosh - does that mean that every article and novel and script based on the > Bible, should never have been written because they are based on a universe > created by, amongst others, Matthew, Mark et al???? SNIP > As > Methos so incisively pointed out, "Hitler was just a poor boy whose mother > didn't love him.." (or something similar). Ooh--the Bible AND Hitler in the same post--gotta be a record.... for excess. Not very creative, though. > You'll forgive those of us who would prefer > to allow the actual copyright owners to decide whether they are or are not > outraged. I don't recall Bill electing you as his spokesperson. SNIP > Thus far he has not felt what you insist that he does, in > terms of fanfic. So, YOU are privy to BP's very feelings & thoughts on this topic. Goodie. I assume then that you've chatted w/ him, the writers, & all the HL actors about fanfic & especially about slash. I can just see you passing around print-outs of your own stories to all. Exactly what do they think about it? How did they rate what _you've_ done w/ the HL universe? Did you inspire them so that EDM will star in the (supposedly) upcoming new HL series? Are you getting a credit? Educate us, please. Come on--spill. > I'm glad that you've been able to give us all such a clear perspective now > on where true evil resides - I *used* to think that there were worse things > in the world than writers of slash but I see now that I was mistaken. > > ...mea culpa...mea culpa...mea maxima culpa....of course, that Evil Duncan > MacLeod has known of the state of my soul for quite some time and it just > doesn't seem to matter how often I retreat to my prayer stool, those > MacLeods just bring out the worst in me! Nina I truly need all the help I > can get! You know, I remember when you _participated_ in discussions here, Carmel, rather than swooping in at the end just to personally attack someone who did participate. I remember when you actually had something meaningful to say. Of course, that was a long time ago. Nina geiger@maui.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:04:19 -0400 From: Sandy Fields <diamonique@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: "Endgame" video question. At 03:38 PM 07/11/01, Stephen Bryce wrote: >Does anyone know when it's going to be out for >sell-through VHS? The VHS has been out for quite some time. I got mine through Columbia House. Check around and you'll find it. -- Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:26:25 EDT From: Dotiran@aol.com Subject: Re: ATTN: All Fan Fic writers In a message dated 7/11/2001 4:52:50 PM US Eastern Standard Time, geiger@maui.net writes: > You know, I remember when you _participated_ in discussions here, Carmel, > rather than swooping in at the end just to personally attack someone who did > participate. I remember when you actually had something meaningful to say. > Of course, that was a long time ago. > > Nina > You know, I'm a very vocal opponent of fanfic in general and slash in particular and so by "rights" I should be siding with you Nina in this discussion. But I've stayed out of it. On this list I usually prefer to lurk. If Carmel has come in to sideswipe here, it may be because she was on the receiving end of a major wack herself here, and that was *not* "a long time ago." It wasn't aimed at me and I had nothing to do with it but I can still feel the sting two years later. It wasn't a heated debate, it was personal. And the list has not been the same since. Makes me wonder why I don't believe in karma. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:38:27 +0100 From: John Mosby <A.J.Mosby@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: ATTN: All Fan Fic writers I come here for good discussion, intelligent thoughts and the warm fuzzy feelings. Okay... and the women. I'm guessing the rest is just a bonus? John ----- Original Message ----- From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net> To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 10:52 PM Subject: Re: [HL] ATTN: All Fan Fic writers > Carmel-- > > Gosh - does that mean that every article and novel and script based on the > > Bible, should never have been written because they are based on a universe > > created by, amongst others, Matthew, Mark et al???? > SNIP > > As > > Methos so incisively pointed out, "Hitler was just a poor boy whose mother > > didn't love him.." (or something similar). > > Ooh--the Bible AND Hitler in the same post--gotta be a record.... for > excess. Not very creative, though. > > > > You'll forgive those of us who would prefer > > to allow the actual copyright owners to decide whether they are or are not > > outraged. I don't recall Bill electing you as his spokesperson. > SNIP > > Thus far he has not felt what you insist that he does, in > > terms of fanfic. > > So, YOU are privy to BP's very feelings & thoughts on this topic. Goodie. > I assume then that you've chatted w/ him, the writers, & all the HL actors > about fanfic & especially about slash. I can just see you passing around > print-outs of your own stories to all. Exactly what do they think about it? > How did they rate what _you've_ done w/ the HL universe? Did you inspire > them so that EDM will star in the (supposedly) upcoming new HL series? Are > you getting a credit? Educate us, please. Come on--spill. > > > > I'm glad that you've been able to give us all such a clear perspective now > > on where true evil resides - I *used* to think that there were worse > things > > in the world than writers of slash but I see now that I was mistaken. > > > ...mea culpa...mea culpa...mea maxima culpa....of course, that Evil Duncan > > MacLeod has known of the state of my soul for quite some time and it just > > doesn't seem to matter how often I retreat to my prayer stool, those > > MacLeods just bring out the worst in me! Nina I truly need all the help I > > can get! > > You know, I remember when you _participated_ in discussions here, Carmel, > rather than swooping in at the end just to personally attack someone who did > participate. I remember when you actually had something meaningful to say. > Of course, that was a long time ago. > > Nina > geiger@maui.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:39:40 +0100 From: John Mosby <A.J.Mosby@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: ATTN: All Fan Fic writers My karma just ran over my dogma? ----- Original Message ----- From: <Dotiran@aol.com> To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 11:26 PM Subject: Re: [HL] ATTN: All Fan Fic writers > In a message dated 7/11/2001 4:52:50 PM US Eastern Standard Time, > geiger@maui.net writes: > > > > You know, I remember when you _participated_ in discussions here, Carmel, > > rather than swooping in at the end just to personally attack someone who did > > participate. I remember when you actually had something meaningful to say. > > Of course, that was a long time ago. > > > > Nina > > > > You know, I'm a very vocal opponent of fanfic in general and slash in > particular and so by "rights" I should be siding with you Nina in this > discussion. But I've stayed out of it. On this list I usually prefer to lurk. > If Carmel has come in to sideswipe here, it may be because she was on the > receiving end of a major wack herself here, and that was *not* "a long time > ago." > It wasn't aimed at me and I had nothing to do with it but I can still feel > the sting two years later. It wasn't a heated debate, it was personal. And > the list has not been the same since. > Makes me wonder why I don't believe in karma. ------------------------------ End of HIGHLA-L Digest - 10 Jul 2001 to 11 Jul 2001 - Special issue (#2001-190) *******************************************************************************