HIGHLA-L Digest - 10 Jul 2001 to 11 Jul 2001 - Special issue
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Topics in this special issue:
1. further OT..was O/T: List mommy's e-mail address?
2. Jim Byrnes Show
3. ATTN: All Fan Fic writers (8)
4. Berne Convention, Copyright, fair use and moral rights
5. O/T: List mommies and Goddessnessnessnesses (2)
6. Highla-L' has been around for how long?
7. "Endgame" video question. (4)
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Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:31:23 -0400
From: Julie Beamer <jbeamer@infi.net>
Subject: Re: further OT..was O/T: List mommy's e-mail address?
Marina Bailey wrote:
> I'm not sure how it got started, but many lists like to think of
> themselves as "families", and the person in charge is thought of
> as being the Listmom (or dad). I suppose, like actual parents,
> they are expected to stop the listmembers (listsibs) from
> fighting, kick off people for posting lies (like that Connor guy,
> I've forgotten his name), keep threads from going too far off-
> topic... kind like what parents do in real life.
>
> I personally think it's kinda silly. I have lots of friends on
> various lists, but I doubt they'd take kindly to being referred to
> as my "list siblings".
A former list denizen had another term for us: "I've always thought of you as my
imaginary friends."
(That kind of ended the discussion at the time.) <bg>
Julie
Founding Geezer, etc.
(who heads off to the Geezer Porch with zk and an armfull of calendars, wondering
how they could have missed the Weazul's annual vacation and the list pool party.)
--
jbeamer@infi.net
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Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 20:44:14 -0700
From: Sherry Kirkvold <kirkvold@islandnet.com>
Subject: Re: Jim Byrnes Show
Jim Byrnes plays live here in Victoria on Friday the 13th at the Ingy Pub!
Cheers!
Sherry
Sherry Kirkvold
kirkvold@islandnet.com
Tideline Communications
250-595-6753
Victoria, B.C.
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 05:34:49 +0100
From: "John Mosby (B)" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: ATTN: All Fan Fic writers
> John--
> > Some writers write because...the alternative is unthinkable.
>
> Yes, but if what they write is fanfic, they have no right to distribute
it.
> To most professional writers, I would think that writing & distributing
w/o
> permission material based in a universe created by _other_ writers would
be
> truly unthinkable.
As a professional writer I know full well that when I was younger and
hopefully honing any talent I do have, then I was inspired by tv shows and
probably put quill to parchment with ideas from that myself. I don't see
anything wrong with that and I actually think it's a good way to learn how
to write. Nor do I really have a problem with said writer/fan showing his
friends what he has written. To be anti fanfic is absurd because it is
natural response for anyone with an ounce of creativity to try. Artists
draw, writer write etc etc.
It's not playing in another person's toybox that I find unthinkable. What is
surprising has been that some people's attitude is that getting access to
the toybox in someone else's garden makes them think they have automatic
right to do what they want there without reproach. It's like an old lady who
doesn't really mind that the neighbourhood kids come and swim in her private
lake. She has every right to stop them, but sees no need to do so unless
they cause damage or ill-treat her property. Just because she's let people
use the lake for years, doesn't mean the neighbourhood has a right to do
whatever it wants. It's use has continued because of a healthy respect of
the usage from both sides.
My only point has been to say that fanfic writers should play nicely and
quietly and realise that their usually harmless hobby can take on more
serious problems if it a) becomes widely orloudly distributed or b) tackles
issues that the writer knows that people may find controversial whether said
writer thinks they SHOULD be controversial is irrelevent, it's the effect
not the cause)
You can't stop fanfic and I don't believe that anyone should try. Most
fanfic writers do so for their own pleasure, rather than making a (sometimes
token) profit....but if a fanfic writer gets a little too uppity or
up-their-own-arse about their rights or starts to make money, they have to
be reminded where they legally stand and by whose pleasure they do so.
John
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Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 22:00:37 -0700
From: Lynn <lloschin@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Berne Convention, Copyright, fair use and moral rights
From: "Dragon Lady" <dragonlady@darkmage.net>
> (1) Independently of the author's economic rights, and even after
the
> transfer of the said rights, the author shall have the right to
claim
> authorship of the work and to object to any distortion, mutilation
or other
> modification of, or other derogatory action in relation to, the said
work,
> which would be prejudicial to his honor or reputation.
Yes, that's in the Convention -- but the US has implemented this in a
very limited way for works of fine art only. Under US law, most
treaties don't mean crap without domestic legislation to implement
them. Most do not have the power of law in and of themselves. In
legal parlance, they are not "self-executing."
In the U.S., copyright is first and foremost an economic right, and
must be because of the Constitution.
Lynn
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:56:52 +0200
From: Marina Bailey <fdd-tmar@netactive.co.za>
Subject: Re: ATTN: All Fan Fic writers
John wrote:
>You can't stop fanfic and I don't believe that anyone should try. Most
>fanfic writers do so for their own pleasure, rather than making a (sometimes
>token) profit....but if a fanfic writer gets a little too uppity or
>up-their-own-arse about their rights or starts to make money, they have to
>be reminded where they legally stand and by whose pleasure they do so.
Well, we seem to be agreed on that. :)
I found an interesting post by someone on Fanfic & Copyright which
people might find interesting. I'm not sure I would agree with
what it says, but it's interesting nonetheless:
http://www.geocities.com/cc_ssd/copyright.html
Sorry about the 'Nita' thing, Nina. I know who you are, really.
But come on - veiled insults? I would never do that. If I insulted
you, you would know it. Kindergartens? Prisons? I think I should
feel insulted, not you. Oh well. I'm glad we're not discussing
it anymore. It was getting tiresome.
- Marina.
\\ "You can spend precious time marching in your ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
// perfect lines, but I don't hear that drum; I'm || R I C H I E >> \\
\\ looking for something else. And if you don't ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
//like what you see, you don't have to look at me."|| \\
\\==fdd-tmar@netactive.co.za=Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie==//
"Cultural artifacts always come alive and take over the ship." - My
brother, watching Star Trek Voyager.
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:51:37 -0400
From: Carmel Macpherson <Carmel@stuartfieldhouse.com>
Subject: Re: ATTN: All Fan Fic writers
Hi all
Nina: <<..To most professional writers, I would think that writing &
distributing w/o permission material based in a universe created by _other_
writers would be truly unthinkable....>>
Gosh - does that mean that every article and novel and script based on the
Bible, should never have been written because they are based on a universe
created by, amongst others, Matthew, Mark et al???? Come to think of it, it
would even mean that the Bible itself shouldn't have been written by those
ancient fanfic writers, given that the concepts were not original!
Nina: <<..So, where's the right to take someone else's intellectual property
w/o permission & use it for your own purposes? To not only write
fanfic--fine--but to widely distribute it--not fine. OTHER THAN--because
you want to, & it's fun?...>>
My my my...such moral outrage! You'll forgive those of us who would prefer
to allow the actual copyright owners to decide whether they are or are not
outraged. I don't recall Bill electing you as his spokesperson. He is very
quick to act when he believes that someone has gone beyond the pale,- as
with the web release of the script of Highlander 4. D-P's lawyers were on
to it in a flash. Thus far he has not felt what you insist that he does, in
terms of fanfic. Indeed, if what you are expressing on his behalf were true
then I wonder why D-P have as a part of the Official Highlander site a Board
devoted solely to fanfic??? It's called 'Highlander Chain Stories' and is
listed as: ""..The place for fans to collaborate on Highlander-themed
stories. ..."
But rest assured Nina that I have truly taken your views to heart re the
evils of slash and was about to take myself off to Confession to desperately
seek forgiveness and absolution for my stained and soiled soul but then I
realised that I couldn't in conscience go and seek absolution in a universe
created by another as this would only compound my wickedness and who knows
what further sin I might fall into, being such a depraved and degraded heap
of detritus.
I'm glad that you've been able to give us all such a clear perspective now
on where true evil resides - I *used* to think that there were worse things
in the world than writers of slash but I see now that I was mistaken. As
Methos so incisively pointed out, "Hitler was just a poor boy whose mother
didn't love him.." (or something similar).
...mea culpa...mea culpa...mea maxima culpa....of course, that Evil Duncan
MacLeod has known of the state of my soul for quite some time and it just
doesn't seem to matter how often I retreat to my prayer stool, those
MacLeods just bring out the worst in me! Nina I truly need all the help I
can get!
All those fellow fanfic writers (and especially
s:::s::::sla:::::slas::::nope - just can't bring myself to even type the
word any more -my fingers started to wither...)are welcome to join me in
communal choir singing at the url below:
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~tunnack/edmfanfi.htm
We shall begin at Vespers with 'Tales from the Prayer Stool 1' (or, 'EDM and
*those* Rosary Beads')
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~tunnack/edmpray1.htm
Can I stop beating my breast now...I'm beginning to cough...and EDM doesn't
like it....
p.s. The Evil Duncan Corp is having a week devoted to Erotica. Pagan said:
<<...His UnHoliness, for no other reason than He's unholy and likes to stir
up trouble, has decided to name this coming week "Shrine Erotic Week" and
demands that we all write romantic, sexy, steamy or downright raunchy
stories about His magnificent prowess in bed. (Or out of it for that
matter!) He's even commissioned me to make a Celtic mirror adorned with His
exquisite face at the moment of ecstasy to be gifted to the author of the
most drool-inducing short story as an enticement.... (See attached scan)
...>>
Sigh...there is just no hope for we our little band of happy, cheerful
fanfic writers...damned, damned and doubly damned........well at least it's
het....then again, that Evil Methos is a law unto himself and never ever
obeys Pagan's instructions!!! I saw him just the other day surreptitiously
watching EDM ...
Kind regards
@ Carmel Macpherson:
<<<@{}=================>>> Chief EDFWs
@ carmel@hldu.org
http://www.carmelmacpherson.com/
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:13:49 +0200
From: Marina Bailey <fdd-tmar@netactive.co.za>
Subject: Re: ATTN: All Fan Fic writers
Carmel wrote:
>Sigh...there is just no hope for we our little band of happy, cheerful
>fanfic writers...damned, damned and doubly damned........
Don't worry, Carmel, when they lock us all up in that prison for
kindergarteners (or is that the kindergarten for prisoners), we
can share a cell and go right on being evil and depraved, even
if we have to write our evil, evil, bad, bad fanfic on the walls!
We'll use charcoal if we have to. Nothing will stop us! (Cue
maniacal laughter.)
- Marina, glad for some perspective from Carmel.
\\ "You can spend precious time marching in your ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
// perfect lines, but I don't hear that drum; I'm || R I C H I E >> \\
\\ looking for something else. And if you don't ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
//like what you see, you don't have to look at me."|| \\
\\==fdd-tmar@netactive.co.za=Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie==//
"I'm sick of Napoleon XIV, I'm sick of Blue, I'm sick of Tentacle
Boy, and guess what? I'm sick of you!" - John to Aeryn, Farscape
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:32:51 -0400
From: KLZ <zklee@patriot.net>
Subject: O/T: List mommies and Goddessnessnessnesses
Marina's brandishing her flagpole ;-D:
>
> >I personally think it's kinda silly. I have lots of friends on
> >various lists, but I doubt they'd take kindly to being referred to
> >as my "list siblings". And the term "listmom" seems to me to be
> >very condescending. I prefer Debbie's term, List Goddessnessness.
> >:)
>
Sandy's doing a "me too" post! Sandy's doing a "me too" post!
> Me too. I was once on a list that had a List Mom. She treated everyone
> like babies, wouldn't allow any controversial discussion (this was a
> LaFemme Nikita list), no discussion about the sexual tension that was very
> evident between the two main characters, she spoke to everyone as if they
> were 4 years old, and her list eventually blew up (with the help of a
> couple of internet geezers <eg>).
I *can't* imagine *WHO*! ;-D
>
> I like our ListGoddessnessnessness much better. She runs a list for
> adults. I dare say this list is at its best when there is controversial
> discussion and good intelligent debate. Debbie only jumps in when it's
> absolutely necessary... and then she wields her whip with pure expertise. <g>
>
Hail O List Goddessnessnessness, Three-Armed One, Brandisher of
Whips, Whapper of Those Who Do Not Use Spoiler Spaces!
I think that identification of the list owner is both a response
to the tone of the list, and also helps to set the tone of the
list. I haven't been on *that* many lists, but the ones with
List Mommies tend to be - um - how to put it politely - they tend
to have a lot more rules and monitoring of tone. Lists with a
"List Owner" tend to be less personal; more mature. You find
that a lot on professional lists. I know of only two lists that
refer to the list owner as "List Goddess". One is moderated for
good reason, but the parameters of what you can and can't do are
clearly defined, there for all to read, and are appropriate to
the nature of the forum. The other one is Highla-L.
This was my first experience with an e-mail list and maybe I got
spoiled. List Goddesses seem to define pretty clearly what is
unacceptable, but once that's defined, they have a hands-off
approach to how people post. In turn, the list members take on
<deity>-like attributes. Opinions are stronger, tone is sharper,
and discussion goes much deeper than any other list that I've
encountered. I think it's more interesting that way. If the Tone
Police were monitoring posts, we'd never have the experience of
seeing what other people really think, why they think it, and
when a discussion between several strong personalities will start
to turn into the prelude to the inevitable argument. If we had
someone constantly sending back messages for "tone", we'd miss
getting to know some pretty neat people. The down side is that
it makes it difficult for PoRA(tm) to overcome the shock of
encountering people who discuss to the point of argument, and
explains why certain - um - topics come up every few months.
I also think that the earliest days of this list, with Founding
Geezers like Julie and Claire and Wendy, and beloved
personalities like Kip :::: bowing head in rememberance ::::,
set the foundation for discussion here. It's been diluted
somewhat, simply because HL is over, but I think the foundation
is still there. Where else could you find a Sally Struthers
infomercial and cows in trenchcoats trying to steal Monique's
quote database? <g>
Of course, then, there's "List Tyrants". <g>
For PoRA(tm), the "Three-Armed One" refers to l*g*n's *shudder*
visual image of Debbie as a three-armed Goddess. One arm holds a
sword, one holds a whip, and one holds a keyboard. The whips,
btw, are literal. I have pictures. I also have a picture of the
List Weezul eating a cookie.
ZK (What other list has both a List Weasel and a List
Unny-Bay?)(Q: Why did the HL chicken cross the road? A: He was
the last of the coop of Al-Deneb)
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:37:13 -0400
From: KLZ <zklee@patriot.net>
Subject: Re: Highla-L' has been around for how long?
>
>
> Ahhhh, memories. I remember well the damp, pink newbie I was and being silly
> enough to get into a debate of some sort with one of the geezers. LOL! and I
> thought I was a true "fan" - I learned fast though I think. :) So, how can
> we find out how long we've been members of the list?
Hah. WHippersnappers. Why, in *MY* day, I came on the List and
started a roll call. So did Liser. Mine was red hair. Liser's
was who was scottish.
I vaguely remember your early days; don't remember the geezer or
the argument, though. Debating with a geezer didn't make blue
smoke come out of the back of your 'puter, now, did it? <g>
ZK (If Duncan were a fruit...)
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 21:26:08 +0200
From: Marina Bailey <fdd-tmar@netactive.co.za>
Subject: Re: O/T: List mommies and Goddessnessnessnesses
I don't think this is off-topic... HL is in here!!
ZK wrote:
>>[Sandy] Me too. I was once on a list that had a List Mom. She treated
>>everyone like babies,
>I *can't* imagine *WHO*! ;-D
Okay, who??
>I haven't been on *that* many lists, but the ones with
>List Mommies tend to be - um - how to put it politely - they tend
>to have a lot more rules and monitoring of tone.
And more attention to petty little details
>List Goddesses seem to define pretty clearly what is
>unacceptable, but once that's defined, they have a hands-off
>approach to how people post. In turn, the list members take on
><deity>-like attributes. Opinions are stronger, tone is sharper,
>and discussion goes much deeper than any other list that I've
>encountered. I think it's more interesting that way.
Oh, definitely. Not to mention that a person actually learns
things. Whether it's about Scotland, how scripts are written,
not to piss off the Weasel... it's a learning experience. And
that can never be a bad thing.
>The down side is that
>it makes it difficult for PoRA(tm) to overcome the shock of
>encountering people who discuss to the point of argument, and
>explains why certain - um - topics come up every few months.
And why we have a schedule. Who threw it off *this* time?? :)
>I also think that the earliest days of this list, with Founding
>Geezers like Julie and Claire and Wendy, and beloved
>personalities like Kip :::: bowing head in rememberance ::::,
>set the foundation for discussion here. It's been diluted
>somewhat, simply because HL is over, but I think the foundation
>is still there. Where else could you find a Sally Struthers
>infomercial and cows in trenchcoats trying to steal Monique's
>quote database? <g>
My favourite HL analogy was the Tidal Pool. And those pool
parties when the Weasel was away were fun, too... :)
I still miss Kip.
>For PoRA(tm), the "Three-Armed One" refers to l*g*n's *shudder*
>visual image of Debbie as a three-armed Goddess.
Hey, what happened to l*g*n, anyway? And Danny??
>Q: Why did the HL chicken cross the road? A: He was
>the last of the coop of Al-Deneb)
I love those!! I was actually looking through some old files
and found a Forever Knight file in which listmembers from
Forkni-L had written what FK would have been like if it had
been written by other authors. Example: if it had been
written by Paul Haggis (creator of Due South), Schanke would
have been Italian, and from Chicago. Nick would have been a
Mountie and gone everywhere followed by Perry, the vampire
dog. Stuff like that. Anyone interested in trying that with
Highlander??
- Marina.
\\ "You can spend precious time marching in your ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
// perfect lines, but I don't hear that drum; I'm || R I C H I E >> \\
\\ looking for something else. And if you don't ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
//like what you see, you don't have to look at me."|| \\
\\==fdd-tmar@netactive.co.za=Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie==//
"I'm sick of Napoleon XIV, I'm sick of Blue, I'm sick of Tentacle
Boy, and guess what? I'm sick of you!" - John to Aeryn, Farscape
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:38:26 -0700
From: Stephen Bryce <sibryce@yahoo.com>
Subject: "Endgame" video question.
I was looking for "Endgame" at one of my local video
stores, the other day. They had the DVD version, but
when I'd asked about the VHS tape, the guy at the
counter said that it wasn't available, as far as he
knew.
Does anyone know when it's going to be out for
sell-through VHS?
Stephen Bryce
Author, "Highlander: The Legacy"
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:26:12 EDT
From: Dotiran@aol.com
Subject: Re: "Endgame" video question.
In a message dated 7/11/2001 2:49:27 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
sibryce@yahoo.com writes:
> when I'd asked about the VHS tape, the guy at the
> counter said that it wasn't available, as far as he
> knew
I got it at our local video store on vhs the week it came out, didn't own a
dvd player.
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:36:09 -0700
From: Deborah Dunlap <zyg97m@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: "Endgame" video question.
I got mine from Columbia House. Picked up the DVD used
from Blockbuster. But no VHS there or at Wal-Mart or
Sam's.
Debbie D
> sibryce@yahoo.com writes:
> > when I'd asked about the VHS tape, the guy at the
> > counter said that it wasn't available, as far as
> he
> > knew
> --- Dotiran@aol.com wrote:
> I got it at our local video store on vhs the week it
> came out, didn't own a
> dvd player.
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:52:35 -1000
From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net>
Subject: Re: ATTN: All Fan Fic writers
Carmel--
> Gosh - does that mean that every article and novel and script based on the
> Bible, should never have been written because they are based on a universe
> created by, amongst others, Matthew, Mark et al????
SNIP
> As
> Methos so incisively pointed out, "Hitler was just a poor boy whose mother
> didn't love him.." (or something similar).
Ooh--the Bible AND Hitler in the same post--gotta be a record.... for
excess. Not very creative, though.
> You'll forgive those of us who would prefer
> to allow the actual copyright owners to decide whether they are or are not
> outraged. I don't recall Bill electing you as his spokesperson.
SNIP
> Thus far he has not felt what you insist that he does, in
> terms of fanfic.
So, YOU are privy to BP's very feelings & thoughts on this topic. Goodie.
I assume then that you've chatted w/ him, the writers, & all the HL actors
about fanfic & especially about slash. I can just see you passing around
print-outs of your own stories to all. Exactly what do they think about it?
How did they rate what _you've_ done w/ the HL universe? Did you inspire
them so that EDM will star in the (supposedly) upcoming new HL series? Are
you getting a credit? Educate us, please. Come on--spill.
> I'm glad that you've been able to give us all such a clear perspective now
> on where true evil resides - I *used* to think that there were worse
things
> in the world than writers of slash but I see now that I was mistaken. >
> ...mea culpa...mea culpa...mea maxima culpa....of course, that Evil Duncan
> MacLeod has known of the state of my soul for quite some time and it just
> doesn't seem to matter how often I retreat to my prayer stool, those
> MacLeods just bring out the worst in me! Nina I truly need all the help I
> can get!
You know, I remember when you _participated_ in discussions here, Carmel,
rather than swooping in at the end just to personally attack someone who did
participate. I remember when you actually had something meaningful to say.
Of course, that was a long time ago.
Nina
geiger@maui.net
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:04:19 -0400
From: Sandy Fields <diamonique@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: "Endgame" video question.
At 03:38 PM 07/11/01, Stephen Bryce wrote:
>Does anyone know when it's going to be out for
>sell-through VHS?
The VHS has been out for quite some time. I got mine through Columbia
House. Check around and you'll find it.
-- Sandy
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:26:25 EDT
From: Dotiran@aol.com
Subject: Re: ATTN: All Fan Fic writers
In a message dated 7/11/2001 4:52:50 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
geiger@maui.net writes:
> You know, I remember when you _participated_ in discussions here, Carmel,
> rather than swooping in at the end just to personally attack someone who did
> participate. I remember when you actually had something meaningful to say.
> Of course, that was a long time ago.
>
> Nina
>
You know, I'm a very vocal opponent of fanfic in general and slash in
particular and so by "rights" I should be siding with you Nina in this
discussion. But I've stayed out of it. On this list I usually prefer to lurk.
If Carmel has come in to sideswipe here, it may be because she was on the
receiving end of a major wack herself here, and that was *not* "a long time
ago."
It wasn't aimed at me and I had nothing to do with it but I can still feel
the sting two years later. It wasn't a heated debate, it was personal. And
the list has not been the same since.
Makes me wonder why I don't believe in karma.
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:38:27 +0100
From: John Mosby <A.J.Mosby@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: ATTN: All Fan Fic writers
I come here for good discussion, intelligent thoughts and the warm fuzzy
feelings. Okay... and the women.
I'm guessing the rest is just a bonus?
John
----- Original Message -----
From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net>
To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: [HL] ATTN: All Fan Fic writers
> Carmel--
> > Gosh - does that mean that every article and novel and script based on
the
> > Bible, should never have been written because they are based on a
universe
> > created by, amongst others, Matthew, Mark et al????
> SNIP
> > As
> > Methos so incisively pointed out, "Hitler was just a poor boy whose
mother
> > didn't love him.." (or something similar).
>
> Ooh--the Bible AND Hitler in the same post--gotta be a record.... for
> excess. Not very creative, though.
>
>
> > You'll forgive those of us who would prefer
> > to allow the actual copyright owners to decide whether they are or are
not
> > outraged. I don't recall Bill electing you as his spokesperson.
> SNIP
> > Thus far he has not felt what you insist that he does, in
> > terms of fanfic.
>
> So, YOU are privy to BP's very feelings & thoughts on this topic. Goodie.
> I assume then that you've chatted w/ him, the writers, & all the HL actors
> about fanfic & especially about slash. I can just see you passing around
> print-outs of your own stories to all. Exactly what do they think about
it?
> How did they rate what _you've_ done w/ the HL universe? Did you inspire
> them so that EDM will star in the (supposedly) upcoming new HL series?
Are
> you getting a credit? Educate us, please. Come on--spill.
>
>
> > I'm glad that you've been able to give us all such a clear perspective
now
> > on where true evil resides - I *used* to think that there were worse
> things
> > in the world than writers of slash but I see now that I was mistaken. >
> > ...mea culpa...mea culpa...mea maxima culpa....of course, that Evil
Duncan
> > MacLeod has known of the state of my soul for quite some time and it
just
> > doesn't seem to matter how often I retreat to my prayer stool, those
> > MacLeods just bring out the worst in me! Nina I truly need all the help
I
> > can get!
>
> You know, I remember when you _participated_ in discussions here, Carmel,
> rather than swooping in at the end just to personally attack someone who
did
> participate. I remember when you actually had something meaningful to
say.
> Of course, that was a long time ago.
>
> Nina
> geiger@maui.net
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:39:40 +0100
From: John Mosby <A.J.Mosby@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: ATTN: All Fan Fic writers
My karma just ran over my dogma?
----- Original Message -----
From: <Dotiran@aol.com>
To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 11:26 PM
Subject: Re: [HL] ATTN: All Fan Fic writers
> In a message dated 7/11/2001 4:52:50 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
> geiger@maui.net writes:
>
>
> > You know, I remember when you _participated_ in discussions here,
Carmel,
> > rather than swooping in at the end just to personally attack someone who
did
> > participate. I remember when you actually had something meaningful to
say.
> > Of course, that was a long time ago.
> >
> > Nina
> >
>
> You know, I'm a very vocal opponent of fanfic in general and slash in
> particular and so by "rights" I should be siding with you Nina in this
> discussion. But I've stayed out of it. On this list I usually prefer to
lurk.
> If Carmel has come in to sideswipe here, it may be because she was on the
> receiving end of a major wack herself here, and that was *not* "a long
time
> ago."
> It wasn't aimed at me and I had nothing to do with it but I can still feel
> the sting two years later. It wasn't a heated debate, it was personal.
And
> the list has not been the same since.
> Makes me wonder why I don't believe in karma.
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