HIGHLA-L Digest - 25 Jan 2001 - Special issue (#2001-46)
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Topics in this special issue:
1. OT ...wendys comment (4)
2. Greetings and Question
3. Elizabeth Gracen coming to 2001 Fan Odyssey Con
4. Lisas, Lisas, everywhere... (9)
5. tell me pl (2)
6. Greetings and Question about Endgame--SPOILER (2)
7. raven tapes (2)
8. HL:EG box office--SPOILER
9. Anything Goes
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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:12:52 -0000
From: Rita Ballantyne <kilmarnock.oradea@virginnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: OT ...wendys comment
Wendy:
Having a personal and private relationship with AP
that wouldnát be that bad, now would it?
Trying to get Lance
get him? in what way?:)
Rita
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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:43:45 -0000
From: Rita Ballantyne <kilmarnock.oradea@virginnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Greetings and Question
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lance writes
> yes, but there are passions which have positive outcomes, others have neg.
Connor's is positive, if he is brought back.
no doubt abt that. but your passion is a bit too much. unhealthy. take that
from a psychology student, me.
Rita
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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:22:08 -0000
From: Rita Ballantyne <kilmarnock.oradea@virginnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Elizabeth Gracen coming to 2001 Fan Odyssey Con
where does that take place?
Rita
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I love life and I love making the most of every moment
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----- Original Message -----
From: "C K Harroz" <CEEKAH@aol.com>
To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 5:50 AM
Subject: Elizabeth Gracen coming to 2001 Fan Odyssey Con
> I saw on another list that Elizabeth Gracen has been added as a guest for
the
> 2001 Fan Odyssey Con in April. Thought you guys might be interested.
Other
> guest of course include Stan Kirsch and Maureen RusselI. I understand the
> con is limited to only 100 registrations.
>
> Cekah
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:45:54 -0500
From: LC Krakowka <liser@lightlink.com>
Subject: Lisas, Lisas, everywhere...
Marina confused Lisa Kadlec with me:
> > Canadian! Why didn't I think of that! Especially considering
> > this thread comes right on the heels of Liser's (was it Liser?)
And Lisa answered:
>No, no, no!!!! It was me!!!! <vbg> Sorry, but I've been here since
>almost the dawn of time (I pre-date weasels, and I remember when you
>*started* whapping people with that flag-pole, Marina <bg>), so it's a
>little frustrating to still be confused with other people, even if we're
>both 'Lisa K.' (Then again, there used to be *three* Lisa K.'s posting
>here, which was even worse) (Maybe I should have given myself a nickname,
>or something <g>)
I'll give you a nickname, if you want. <g>
In Marina's case, I think it was an honest mistake. She's been
around enough to know the difference between us. Has it been
happening a lot? Itend to use Liser for most HL related things...but
maybe I've been slipping up lately...
[that other]Lisa K
--
Lisa Krakowka ** liser@lightlink.com
The good parts of a book may be only something a writer is lucky enough
to overhear or it may be the wreck of his whole damn life--and one
is as good as the other. --Ernest Hemingway
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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:51:04 -0000
From: Rita Ballantyne <kilmarnock.oradea@virginnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: OT ...wendys comment
judy
> But what would she do with it? .... come to think of it, you're
> suggesting that Lance _has_ a personality. I think that's debatable.
>
Lance has a personality. a pretty interesting one! actually, Iám so
thrilled, that iád like to meet him
Rita
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:14:36 -0500
From: Lisa Kadlec <lkadlec@Princeton.EDU>
Subject: Re: Lisas, Lisas, everywhere...
LC Krakowka wrote:
>
> Marina confused Lisa Kadlec with me:
>
> > > Canadian! Why didn't I think of that! Especially considering
> > > this thread comes right on the heels of Liser's (was it Liser?)
>
> And Lisa answered:
>
> >No, no, no!!!! It was me!!!! <vbg> Sorry, but I've been here since
> >almost the dawn of time (I pre-date weasels, and I remember when you
> >*started* whapping people with that flag-pole, Marina <bg>), so it's a
> >little frustrating to still be confused with other people, even if we're
> >both 'Lisa K.' (Then again, there used to be *three* Lisa K.'s posting
> >here, which was even worse) (Maybe I should have given myself a nickname,
> >or something <g>)
>
> I'll give you a nickname, if you want. <g>
Um, uh, maybe not. <g>
> In Marina's case, I think it was an honest mistake. She's been
> around enough to know the difference between us. Has it been
> happening a lot? Itend to use Liser for most HL related things...but
> maybe I've been slipping up lately...
>
> [that other]Lisa K
No, it hasn't really been happening a lot lately (then again, nothing
has been happening 'a lot' lately <g>)(well, other than people arguing
fruitlessly with 'Lance'). And I think most of the time it's an 'honest
mistake,' whether someone knows the difference and just slips, or
whether they're new enough to honestly be confused. It's just a
long-standing 'issue,' so to speak (which is why, for the uninitiated, I
tried to include enough <g>'s that people wouldn't think I was really
mad or something). It's been frustrating in the past, and it just
somehow manages to keep cropping up. No harm, no foul, just
clarification. <g>
Lisa
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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 18:26:11 -0000
From: Rita Ballantyne <kilmarnock.oradea@virginnet.co.uk>
Subject: tell me pl
where does the Tessa name come from? diminutive for what?
Rita
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:49:31 -0500
From: LC Krakowka <liser@lightlink.com>
Subject: Re: Lisas, Lisas, everywhere...
Lisa (not me) said, of people confusing us:
>No, it hasn't really been happening a lot lately (then again, nothing
>has been happening 'a lot' lately <g>)(well, other than people arguing
>fruitlessly with 'Lance'). And I think most of the time it's an 'honest
>mistake,' whether someone knows the difference and just slips, or
>whether they're new enough to honestly be confused. It's just a
>long-standing 'issue,' so to speak (which is why, for the uninitiated, I
>tried to include enough <g>'s that people wouldn't think I was really
>mad or something). It's been frustrating in the past, and it just
>somehow manages to keep cropping up. No harm, no foul, just
>clarification. <g>
Here's some more clarification, then:
Lisa Kadlec: princeton.edu
Lisa Krakowka: cornell.edu
Lisa Kadlec: One K.
Lisa Krakowka: Three Ks.
Lisa Kadlec: Geezer by arrival date.
Lisa Krakowka: Geezer by association.
Lisa Kadlec: never married to l*gan
Lisa Krakowka: divorced from l*gan
Lisa Kadlec: Kind to small children, animals, and deserving
PersonsOfRecentArrival
Lisa Krakowka: prone to irreverence and occasional outbursts of ire
directed especially toward deserving PersonsOfRecentArrival
Anything I missed, Lisa?
Liser
(ten points to anyone who can tell me why deb spells her name with a small D)
--
Lisa Krakowka ** liser@lightlink.com
The good parts of a book may be only something a writer is lucky enough
to overhear or it may be the wreck of his whole damn life--and one
is as good as the other. --Ernest Hemingway
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:01:24 -0500
From: sackett <sackett@rivercto.net>
Subject: Re: Lisas, Lisas, everywhere...
Liser (she of cavalries and horses and Captain Studboy) said:
>(ten points to anyone who can tell me why deb spells her name with a
small D)
Cause she's lazy?<eg>
eviltammy
sackett@rivercto.net
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:11:17 EST
From: Lance Aldridge <GPrimeCEO@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame--SPOILER
In a message dated 01/24/2001 5:48:52 PM Central Standard Time,
lloschin@sprynet.com writes:
<<
<quoting Lance's lies>
>> TPTB met with myself and peter veneem in December. they know our
>> demands and
>> are conisdering our requests.
> List, FYI, Ginger Buchanan, who has written a HL novel and of >course,
knows *where* DPP offices are and who to contact, has
> inquired about this supposed meeting, and no one at DPP knows Lance >or
any of his other figments of imagination, nor met with him in >Dec. or any
other
> time...
I have inside information telling me that DPP so fear the Conosrtium and
economic consequences of a boycott that they deny even meeting with us in an
effort to discredit us. That's okay, the truth always makes it self known,
and evil always reveals itself in ernest.
Lance, lying again, replies:
>We were there, a visit to the Save Connor site proves it.
Right, Lance. It's on a website, therefore it must be true. Everybody
knows that.
Interestingly, you have yet to specify -- ever -- whom you supposedly met
with. Surely these people had names?>>
To protect their identities, I decided not to reveal their names. Call it
respect for DPP inspite of what they did to Connor.
<< Of course, naming names would make it easier than ever to prove no such
meeting ever took place, nor did any such "protest" as "proved" by the false
pictures on your website. It did not rain in LA on the day of your supposed
"demonstration" -- and there is no reason anyone to have an umbrella, as they
do in some of the photos. Nor is there any HL-related reason for the
turtlehead hats, unless, of course, those are simply doctored pictures from
last year's WTO protests in Seattle (which they are). Nor does the corner
the "demonstrators" are supposedly on look anything like West Hollywood,
where DPP's offices are actually located. Nor was there any coverage, in any
media outlet, either newspaper or television, of the supposed "thousands" of
fans who demonstrated. Truth: there was no meeting, there was no
demonstration, there is no "consortium" of thousands, there is no
"convention" taking place in February in New Orleans or anywhere else.>>
Actually it did rain. Unless you have a weather report to prove otherwise,
we were there, we should know.
<< You are welcome to any opinion you want about Connor and his death. You
are not, however, welcome to propagate totally unsupported blatant lies about
all of these people who supposedly support you and all of your meetings and
demonstrations. If you do, you will be called on it for the liar you are.
None of the people actually exist and none of the meetings actually took
place. You continue to get more ridiculous as you invade more forums and
continue to spout your nonsense. Get over yourself. Nobody believes you,
and your lies don't help your "cause" -- they hurt it.>>
I have yet to see any proof of my supposed lies. I have concluded it is much
harder for some people to admit the truth.
<< I certainly hope nobody outside HL fandom actually hears you spout your
"I'm Gandhi" line of B.S., or once again media fans will be marginalized and
ridiculed as Spock-ear-wearing-to-jury-duty losers who can't tell the
difference between fantasy and reality. >>
Many people within and outside HL fandom know of my focused leadership of the
cause and would agree with my assessment.
vfoster@mindspring.com (virginia foster) stated:
<<LOL!!! Oh please! I've seen the pictures on the Save Connor site and
and that's the worst photo manipulation job I've *ever* seen. The signs
at the "protest" are so obviously pasted in that the edges of the original
signs are still visible. my 16 and 17 year old neices with with no graphics
experience took one look at them and said they looked fake.
>.
I admit the photos are murky but how can you argue with their content?
<<And on another note, Lance, you say that CL has said that he would
be happy to portray Connor again. Would you please tell us the
date and location of the interview that he said this? And the magazine
where the interview appeared?>>
Another list member has already provided this info. he has said he will
portray Connor again.
>And on another note, Lance, you say that CL has said that he would
>be happy to portray Connor again. Would you please tell us the
>date and location of the interview that he said this? And the magazine
>where the interview appeared?
Not taking issue with anything remotely close to the Lance thingie.
I have two interviews on tapes at home, taken from two differents
television shows taped last year (2000) in France; one from M6 (a specialty
network) and the other one from a mainline network (TF2 I believe).
CL stated how he was done with the Connor character...... until they asked
him again to take it up.
(Oops taking issue nevertheless with the Lance thing . Know better - that I
should not. Sigh. Reading all the _blank_ or deleting many of the
_blank2_, one realisation to me is to realise that some of what could be
true - such as CL openly stating on national television in a country of a
few millions people that he would portray again Connor if asked - is likely
to become "urban legend" in the opposite direction - i.e. that CL would not
portray Connor ever again. Of course, it does also require an
acknowledgement or acceptance that some source of information may come from
somewhere else that the _blank3_ USA) (sigh) (CL is doing major promos
stuff in France right now - Vercingetorix premiered tonight)>>
Joanne thanks for your proof, hopefully my fellow Americans will admit they
were wrong and that Lambert will portray Connor again. We just need to get
TPTB too see the error of their ways.
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:30:13 -0500
From: lloschin@sprynet.com
Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame--SPOILER
Lance the Liar wrote:
> In a message dated 01/24/2001 5:48:52 PM Central Standard Time,
lloschin@sprynet.com writes:
>I have inside information telling me that DPP so fear the Conosrtium >and economic consequences of a boycott that they deny even meeting >with us in an effort to discredit us.
Right -- or maybe you made it up. It's a lie.
>To protect their identities, I decided not to reveal their names. >Call it respect for DPP inspite of what they did to Connor.
Aww, go ahead. Why are you respecting the people trying to discredit you? That certainly makes no sense -- go ahead and name names -- if you can (you can't).
>Actually it did rain. Unless you have a weather report to prove >otherwise, we were there, we should know.
I live here, you dope. I read a.t.h. and I know when you claimed to be there. Are you saying that there were flash thunderstorms limited to that one block and you just happened to have umbrellas? There was no rain in LA on December 8. Why don't you produce a weather report saying there was?
>I have yet to see any proof of my supposed lies.
I have yet to see any proof that you yourself did not create that proves that anything you said is true. Why the turtle hats? Why does West Hollywood look like a downtown? (It doesn't.) Why does the hotel where you are purportedly holding a convention disavow and knowledge of your existence?
>I have concluded
>it is much harder for some people to admit the truth.
I have concluded that you are a shameless liar.
Lynn
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:00:34 EST
From: List Kathy Avery <Lynxf19@aol.com>
Subject: raven tapes
where did you get the tapes?
kathy
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:06:11 +0200
From: Marina Bailey <tmar@fast.co.za>
Subject: Re: Lisas, Lisas, everywhere...
Liser wrote:
[some stuff deleted in the interest of space]
>Lisa Kadlec: Geezer by arrival date.
>Lisa Krakowka: Geezer by association.
etc
>Anything I missed, Lisa?
Lisa Kadlec: immortalised as a dippy psychiatrist in "Forever
Knight".
(Yes, I still remember that. I'm sure Julie is still around too...
even without the lingerie. <g>)
- Marina, who can say from experience that it's really cool to
have a character named after you. Even if she is dippy. Marina
LeMartin was dippy. I did not care! <g>
\\ "Cast your eyes on the ocean; cast your soul ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
//to the sea. When the dark night seems endless,|| R I C H I E >> \\
\\ please remember me." - Loreena McKennitt ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
//======Marina Bailey======tmar@fast.co.za======|| \\
\\============Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie=============//
"I'd rather be watching 'The Sentinel'... no, 'Highlander'... wait,
'Stargate SG-1' is on... Oh, hell, make it all and make it so!"
- Tarryn
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:10:48 -1000
From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net>
Subject: Re: OT ...wendys comment
Rita--
> Lance has a personality. a pretty interesting one! actually, Iám so
> thrilled, that iád like to meet him
No need. I'm sure he can whip up a faked photo of you 2 doing the tango.
Nina
geiger@maui.net
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:17:33 -0500
From: LC Krakowka <liser@lightlink.com>
Subject: Re: Lisas, Lisas, everywhere...
Marina added:
>
>>Anything I missed, Lisa?
>
>Lisa Kadlec: immortalised as a dippy psychiatrist in "Forever
>Knight".
Good one!
Lisa Krakowka: Last name used (with misspelling) for a Watcher who
embezzled money from the Ithaca, NY chapter of the organization
(mentioned in the Watcher CD)
>
>- Marina, who can say from experience that it's really cool to
>have a character named after you. Even if she is dippy. Marina
>LeMartin was dippy. I did not care! <g>
Indeed!
Liser
--
Lisa Krakowka ** liser@lightlink.com
The good parts of a book may be only something a writer is lucky enough
to overhear or it may be the wreck of his whole damn life--and one
is as good as the other. --Ernest Hemingway
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:24:33 -0600
From: Nora Jones <najones@ilstu.edu>
Subject: Re: raven tapes
At 02:00 PM 1/25/01 -0500, kathy wrote:
>where did you get the tapes?
I believe they are available through the Highlander Store --
www.highlander-official.com
I got the set at a warehouse auction sale thingie here in IL last fall. No
extras with it only the tapes (which is fine with me for the Raven
series... wouldn't ever do that where pix and calendars and posters with
Dunkie's image come with) for considerable savings off the regular or
regular "sale" price. I suppose that's another reason I decided I should
get them. Dare I say what I paid? Oh, okay... $55.
-- Nora
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:28:53 -0000
From: Jette Goldie <bosslady@freeuk.com>
Subject: Re: tell me pl
Rita asks
> where does the Tessa name come from? diminutive for what?
>
Usually a diminutive of Theresa.
Greek, origin unknown, possibly connected to the island
Therasia.
Jette
Glory may be fleeting, but obscurity is forever!
bosslady@scotlandmail.com
http://members.tripod.com/~bosslady/fanfic.html
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:33:42 +0200
From: Marina Bailey <tmar@fast.co.za>
Subject: Re: Lisas, Lisas, everywhere...
Liser wrote:
>Lisa Krakowka: Last name used (with misspelling) for a Watcher who
>embezzled money from the Ithaca, NY chapter of the organization
>(mentioned in the Watcher CD)
Excellent - well, except for the misspelling.
So what have we had so far?
1. Murdered hooker (Julie Beamer)
2. Murdered researcher (Linda Wyatt)
3. Dippy psychiatrist (Lisa Kadlec) Hey, at least she got to live!
4. Dippy blonde French girl who GOT Richie (Marina) Whoo-hoo!
5. Embezzler (Liser's last name)
Did ANYONE get a character named after them who wasn't dippy,
a criminal or DEAD? <g>
- Marina.
\\ "Cast your eyes on the ocean; cast your soul ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
//to the sea. When the dark night seems endless,|| R I C H I E >> \\
\\ please remember me." - Loreena McKennitt ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
//======Marina Bailey======tmar@fast.co.za======|| \\
\\============Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie=============//
"I'd rather be watching 'The Sentinel'... no, 'Highlander'... wait,
'Stargate SG-1' is on... Oh, hell, make it all and make it so!"
- Tarryn
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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 20:39:31 -0000
From: Rita Ballantyne <kilmarnock.oradea@virginnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: OT ...wendys comment
nina
No need. I'm sure he can whip up a faked photo of you 2 doing the tango.
Iád like that. but thatás not the same.
Rita
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:00:00 -0000
From: Jette Goldie <bosslady@freeuk.com>
Subject: Re: Lisas, Lisas, everywhere...
> Did ANYONE get a character named after them who wasn't dippy,
> a criminal or DEAD? <g>
No, but everyone seems to get a certain actress/singer's name
spelling mixed up with mine ;-)
Jette
Glory may be fleeting, but obscurity is forever!
bosslady@scotlandmail.com
http://members.tripod.com/~bosslady/fanfic.html
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:01:09 -0500
From: LC Krakowka <liser@lightlink.com>
Subject: Re: Lisas, Lisas, everywhere...
Marina asked:
>Did ANYONE get a character named after them who wasn't dippy,
>a criminal or DEAD? <g>
Hmmm....kinda makes you wonder what they think of us as fans, huh? <g>
Liser
--
Lisa Krakowka ** liser@lightlink.com
The good parts of a book may be only something a writer is lucky enough
to overhear or it may be the wreck of his whole damn life--and one
is as good as the other. --Ernest Hemingway
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:04:43 EST
From: Lance Aldridge <GPrimeCEO@aol.com>
Subject: Re: HL:EG box office--SPOILER
In a message dated 01/24/2001 6:24:37 PM Central Standard Time,
plawson@webleyweb.com writes:
<<
> > > I'm driven by passion, not unlike MLK, JFK and Ghandi.
> >
> > But, Lance, they at least had major causes in mind. Yeah, you have a lot
of
> > opposition here just like they did. But there is a BIG difference between
> > you and them.
>
>The only possible difference might be i have MORE passion than they. I
never
>quit.
Uh Lance? MLK, JFK and Ghandi didn't quit. They were killed.
That reminds me, you know nothing helps a cause like having it's leader
martyred. How badly do you want your cause to succeed? >>
Good question Pat, I would make the ultimate sacrifice to bring Connor back.
Any good leader would.
Pat (making an excellent point)--
>>>Uh Lance? MLK, JFK and Ghandi didn't quit. They were killed.
That reminds me, you know nothing helps a cause like having it's leader
martyred. How badly do you want your cause to succeed?>>>
Nina says:
>Rita, we can all stand for just.
<<Seems to me like someone who stands for justice should be willing to
actually spell out the entire word.>>
Just = justice.
>>>I thought justice was different to
different people depending upon their perspectives. In fact, that theme was
recurrent in HL, particularly the episode with the terrorist woman who
worked with Duncan in germany and who Duncan has to stop from blowing up
certain other persons (help me with the name of this ep if anyone can.) In
that
episode, justice to Duncan was very different from justice to her, even
though they once shared the same views. Duncan's experiences had changed
him.>>>
<<It was The Valkyrie. And the point was that _Ingrid's_ experience changed
_her_. Her failure to stop Hitler changed her into a murderer. Not exactly
a role model, I wouldn't think, but to each his own.>>
I didn't say she was my role model. I merely wanted to illustrate that
perspectives are colored by experiences. Duncan is actually more like me.
>>>My theory is sound. If TPTB bring back Connor, they strengthen the
economic stability of the franchise and DPP. DPP's prosperity than aids us
all
through the trickle down effect of economics. Even the poorest of us will
eventually benefit from the economic prosperity at the top. In this way, I
argue that fighting for Connor indirectly help the homeless and the hungry.
People thought I was crazy when I urged HL fans to fight for Connor instead
of working in soup kitchens on Thanksgiving and Christmas. >>>
They thought you were crazy? You're kidding! Really? Bet that happens to
you a lot. And it doesn't give you the least pause?>>
No, not when I know I am right.
>>>See my discussion above. The trickle down theory will aid the homeless
if Connor is brought back.>>>
The only thing trickling down here is the BS.>>
The truth is what is here.
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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:13:11 -0000
From: Rita Ballantyne <kilmarnock.oradea@virginnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Anything Goes
there isnát an egroup w that name. I loked.
Rita
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I love life and I love making the most of every moment
-Eddie Irvine
Seems it is : "Anything goes" .............
>
>
>
> Maroussia
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