HIGHLA-L Digest - 20 Jan 2001 to 21 Jan 2001 (#2001-39)
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There are 7 messages totalling 564 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. HL:EG box office--SPOILER (2)
2. Animated Methos Chronicles--Spoilers (2)
3. Greetings and Question about Endgame--SPOILER (2)
4. Alumni sighting meets list culture <g>
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Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 17:25:30 EST
From: Lance Aldridge <GPrimeCEO@aol.com>
Subject: Re: HL:EG box office--SPOILER
In a message dated 1/19/01 4:37:58 PM Central Standard Time, rshelton@jps.net
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> > > >Connor's death, and his beratement to make Duncan look good, is
> >what left a
> > > >bad taste in mst true HL fan's mouths. We will not rest until this
> > > travesty
> > > At 6:58 PM -0500 01/18/2001, Lance Aldridge wrote:
> > > >Starting with editing out Connor's fruitless death scene. It
> >was horrid, a
> > > >true insult to genuine HL fans IMHO.
> > >
> > > Okay - I've stayed out of all this so far. But the Listowner has
> expressly
> > > asked you et all to cease & desist w/the "True Fan" crap. Do you think
> you
> > > could bear to follow the rules??
> > >
> > > I consider myself a true/genuine fan as I've been a fan since the very
> > > first movie, been on this list for 5 years or so & been to/worked
> numerous
> > > conventions. But I don't necessarily agree w/your views & that doesn't
> > > automatically make me less of a fan that you. So can you please follow
> the
> > > rules like everyone else? I'm getting tired of reading this. And try
> > > to remember
> > > to use spoiler spaces - your previous post about a 'butcher job' w/o
> spaces
> > > could be construed to be a spoiler.
> > >
> > > Rachel
> >
> >Rachel, IMHO, if you were alright with Connor dying in HL:Endgame, then you
> >don't really feel the essence of highlander. It resides in the true
> >Highlander, not the pretender. Of course, this is my opinion.
>
> I didn't say I was alright with Connor dying - personally, I disliked
> the movie.
> I only asked you to follow the rules as stated by the Listowner & cut this
> "true fan" BS.
>
Glad to hear you are a real fan by many fan standards.
Connor's death in Endgame was pointless and obscure, he didn't need to be in
the film, it could have worked better as just a Duncan film (and even better
as a Connor film.)
Reeana stated:
<<ROFLMAO!!!!! Gawds that was funny:)! Thank you for the much needed laugh
since Mr. Lance seems bound and determined to keep on doing what he's doing.
Thank you!>>
I'm driven by passion, not unlike MLK, JFK and Ghandi.
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Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 17:30:54 EST
From: Lance Aldridge <GPrimeCEO@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Animated Methos Chronicles--Spoilers
In a message dated 1/19/01 4:56:31 PM Central Standard Time,=20
bioaw124@emory.edu writes:
> Apparently it's going to be an Internet thang. Gillian said she writes
> TV.
>=20
I suppose its writing. Many of us weren't happy with what was done to Richi=
e=20
in the series, anymore than Connor in the film. INMH, TPTB need to dump the=
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current "Creative" team and bring in fresh new talent. perhpas some respect=
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for the characters will rejuvenate the franchise.
> > I think you should know, the Consortium keeps watch on people who make
sick
> > jojes about Connor and his supporters.=A0 This was not funny, and I hope
<<Go ahead and watch, my boy.=A0 Besides, I wasn't joking.=A0 I was mocking.=
=A0 I
like Connor (not as much as the ROG, but hey), but he's still very much
headless.>>
They are watching. And I'm glad you like Connor, hope you like him enough t=
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fight for his life.
Marina wrote:
Then you are a true HL fan if you thought Connor's death was meaningless.
<<Oh, so people who think Connor's death was meaningless ARE "true HL
fans"?? (Notice the absence of the word "not".) But since I know
what you meant...
>>
People who agree that he should die are not tru HL fans, IMHO.
<<Sweetie, you have to get your attributions right. I wrote the thing
about being a HL fan since 1985, not Jen. And I certainly didn't
think Connor's death was meaningless. It had lots of meaning IMNSHO,
just not the one you're thinking of.>>
If you've been a fan since 19856, how could you POSSSIBLY agree with Endgame=
.=20
That's sacrilege IMHO>
Rita said:
Too bad they couldn't give us a Connor series, animated or otherwise.=A0 tha=
t
> really would win over the many fans they have lost with their butcher job.
<<go ahead! make one yourself. I'm sure some, even me, would truly appreciat=
e
it! u should do it, bec u know the most abt him. i could find it very useful
for my fanfic..
>>
I brought your idea to the Consortium and they are considering it. Would yo=
u=20
like to serve as a writer for the series if they fund it?
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Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 17:34:52 EST
From: Lance Aldridge <GPrimeCEO@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame--SPOILER
In a message dated 1/19/01 6:50:40 PM Central Standard Time, geiger@maui.net
writes:
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> guess who--
> > I happen to consider that MLK, Ghandi, and JFK are in my league. That's
> not
> > ego, its self confidence, and that's whats needed for strong leadership.
>
> Or a strait-jacket.
>
Does Debbie allow this kind of insult on this list?
>
> >Not when the Conosrtium has thousands of passionate members.;
>
> Thousands of members, only 1 PC. Too bad.
>
You're buying into a myth.....too bad. We are real. Have you been to our
website?
>
> me before--
> >>Debbie, I thought you'd issued an edict on "true fan" crap?
>
> >Why is it crap. It is my opinion.
>
> Like I said.
>
What did you say?
>
> me before--
> >>Ooh--remember what they did to Beauty & the Beast? _That_ was butchery.>>
>
> >Yes, it was.
>
> And, yet, the world kept turning, & I got over it. Think about doing the
> same.
>
We will fight for Connor until the last of our blood. That's our creed, we
are not quitters.
>
> >We have suspended disbelief thus far, we can do it for Connor.
>
> Not to the extent of closing our eyes for the ntire performance, which is
> what it would take to pretend CL looks 18, as he should as Immortal Connor.
> Even 30 or 40 is beyond him at this point, judging by how he looked in
> HL:EG. I think he's an attractive man, & I enjoy a lot of his work, but
> he's too old now for this particular role. 15 years was a good run; now,
> it's over.
>
>
We can suspend disbelief. He isn't too old to play the part and he has
agreed to return to the role if asked by TPTB. Why is it so hard to revise
the history ansd simply say Connor became an immie in his 40's. We do it
with Duncan.
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Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 17:36:06 -0500
From: Carrie Key <reeana1@home.com>
Subject: Re: HL:EG box office--SPOILER
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lance Aldridge" <GPrimeCEO@aol.com>
To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU>
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: [HL] HL:EG box office--SPOILER
> In a message dated 1/19/01 4:37:58 PM Central Standard Time,
rshelton@jps.net
> writes:
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> Reeana stated:
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> <<ROFLMAO!!!!! Gawds that was funny:)! Thank you for the much needed laugh
> since Mr. Lance seems bound and determined to keep on doing what he's
doing.
> Thank you!>>
>
> I'm driven by passion, not unlike MLK, JFK and Ghandi.
But, Lance, they at least had major causes in mind. Yeah, you have a lot of
opposition here just like they did. But there is a BIG difference between
you and them. I don't think anyone, immortal, mortal, whatever can compare
themselves to Martin Luther King Jr., JFK and Ghandi. They stood for just
causes that would help people in the long run. Sorry, I don't see what
you're doing here as helping anyone. CL is noticeably older now and you
cannot fight a battle like this. Your right that maybe the movie would have
been better with on or the other, but the fact is, it's said and done. The
movie is how the movie is and Connor is dead. Just like Elvis, baby. You
gotta learn to let go and move on. Plus like I've stated before, Fan
Fiction works. Use it. In that you can have your perfect world with Connor.
'Nuff said.
---
Carrie Key
** reeana1@home.com **
** http://www.angelfire.com/me2/reeana **
** http://members.home.net/olwasasdc/OLWASA.htm **
Lady Reeana, Ana Vatazes, Javina Jinn,
PWFC, Jedi Council
Clan of the Eternally Clueless
"Tas,You doorknob!"- Flint Fireforge,DragonLance
"Dogs believe they are human. Cats believe they are God." - Unknown
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Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 17:44:41 -0500
From: Carrie Key <reeana1@home.com>
Subject: Re: Animated Methos Chronicles--Spoilers
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lance Aldridge" <GPrimeCEO@aol.com>
To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU>
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: [HL] Animated Methos Chronicles--Spoilers
In a message dated 1/19/01 4:56:31 PM Central Standard Time,
bioaw124@emory.edu writes:
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> Apparently it's going to be an Internet thang. Gillian said she writes
> TV.
>
>I suppose its writing. Many of us weren't happy with what was done to
Richie
>in the series, anymore than Connor in the film. INMH, TPTB need to dump
the
>current "Creative" team and bring in fresh new talent. perhpas some
respect
>for the characters will rejuvenate the franchise.
That may not be a bad idea. But then again look at the comic book and all
the changes in the creative teams have done. Jean Grey has died a million
and one times and they still haven't settled on the right history for Donna
Troy. It will have it's good points but also the bad ones.
> > I think you should know, the Consortium keeps watch on people who make
sick
> > jojes about Connor and his supporters. This was not funny, and I hope
<<Go ahead and watch, my boy. Besides, I wasn't joking. I was mocking. I
like Connor (not as much as the ROG, but hey), but he's still very much
headless.>>
Lance:
>They are watching. And I'm glad you like Connor, hope you like him enough
to
>fight for his life.
Ok, why do I have a problem with this statement? It's almost scary. Fight
for what? Connor is dead. Plain and simple. They needed to pass the torch
and it was done in a way that apparently you didn't like and now you feel
you have to fight?
>Marina wrote:
>Then you are a true HL fan if you thought Connor's death was meaningless.
Then Lance added:
>People who agree that he should die are not tru HL fans, IMHO.
Our humble listowner asked nicely for that discussion to end. Please listen.
Lance:
>If you've been a fan since 19856, how could you POSSSIBLY agree with
Endgame.
>That's sacrilege IMHO>
What year is it?! 19856? Have we really passed that many years or are you
using a time machine :). Heehee. I made a funny:).
Lance again:
>I brought your idea to the Consortium and they are considering it. Would
you
>like to serve as a writer for the series if they fund it?
Now, I know I probably shouldn't ask, but who is this Consortium? This is
the first (with this thread) that I've ever heard of them.
My 2 cents. Back to my snowy fields of dreams:)!
(If I only had those. The South is not the greatest place for snow:).
---
Carrie Key
** reeana1@home.com **
** http://www.angelfire.com/me2/reeana **
** http://members.home.net/olwasasdc/OLWASA.htm **
Lady Reeana, Ana Vatazes, Javina Jinn,
PWFC, Jedi Council
Clan of the Eternally Clueless
"Tas,You doorknob!"- Flint Fireforge,DragonLance
"Dogs believe they are human. Cats believe they are God." - Unknown
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Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 17:51:01 -0500
From: Sandy Fields <diamonique@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Alumni sighting meets list culture <g>
At 03:34 PM 01/20/01, Lisa Kadlec wrote:
>Immortal FBI agent extraordinaire <bg>). Eric is straight (and married),
>and they were talking to him about playing a gay man on tv. He made some
>comments about that (the details aren't important here), and then one of
>his co-stars says...wait for it..., 'And you're *Canadian.*' I nearly
>burst out laughing at that one.
ROFL! What a hoot, Lisa! Wish I had seen that one.
-- Sandy (any time I can gaze on that cutie patootie is a treat <g>)
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Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 14:08:54 -1000
From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net>
Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame--SPOILER
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> > guess who--
> > > I happen to consider that MLK, Ghandi, and JFK are in my league.
That's
> > > not ego, its self confidence, and that's whats needed for strong
leadership.
> > Or a strait-jacket.
> Does Debbie allow this kind of insult on this list?
I assume Debbie realizes the rather pathetic truth that many mentally
disturbed individuals operate under the delusion they either are or are
analogous to certain well-known individuals, such as the ones you mentioned,
who lived truly meaningful lives & accomplished great things for humanity.
If you insist on putting yourself in that group (& I mean the deluded group)
re: a purported campaign to "save" a fictional character, well, that's your
choice.
> > >Not when the Conosrtium has thousands of passionate members.;
> > Thousands of members, only 1 PC. Too bad.
> > > You're buying into a myth.....too bad. We are real. Have you been to
our
> >> website?
Since when is something on the web necessarily considered "real"?
> > me before--
> > >>Debbie, I thought you'd issued an edict on "true fan" crap?
> > Why is it crap. It is my opinion.
> > > Like I said.
> What did you say?
I said it's crap. Remember? I think all your (& I'm paraphrasing) "all
true HL fans must fight for Connor" insistence is crap. Why? Because it is
silly, divisive, mono-focal & lacking in content. (And, Debbie said to stop
it ages ago.)
Now, like everyone else, you are free to express your opinions here (though
conforming to the list owner's rules would be nice), just as I am free to
decide, after due consideration, that such opinions are, in my opinion, crap
(see above). You've helpfully provided more than enough material for
everyone here to make his or her own informed judgment about you & your
opinions.
> We will fight for Connor until the last of our blood. That's our creed,
we
> are not quitters.
Yes, & you are watching us, & you'll fight to the death, etc., etc., etc.
Your problem w/ this crusade is--no one is watching _you_. Specifically,
HL's TPTB don't know you exist, & they don't care what you think; they
wouldn't change anything for you, even if your mythic legions of cohorts
were real.
Connor's a foot shorter. It's a done deal.
Nina
geiger@maui.net
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