HIGHLA-L Digest - 13 Jan 2001 to 14 Jan 2001 (#2001-30)
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Topics of the day:
1. YKYWTMHW.....
2. Greetings and Question about Endgame (3)
3. Endgame - questions from a first time viewer (MAJOR SPOILERS) (2)
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 00:25:31 EST
From: "Jerene, Amanda's Advocate and Methos' Muse" <Syauna@aol.com>
Subject: Re: YKYWTMHW.....
Thank you so much for sharing, Toni. I enjoyed it.
PEACE,
Jerene
Amanda's Advocate and Methos' Muse
"May love remain to be thy guide 'til the day we are reborn."
----DM, HL:E
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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 23:25:13 -0000
From: Rita Ballantyne <kilmarnock.oradea@virginnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame
> Usually I just ignore this thread, but I must say that the terms and
> conditions as stated above gave me the biggest belly laugh I have had in
> years. I'm not talking a giggle or a chuckle here list-mates, but a
rolling
> on the floor, tears in my eyes, laugh till it hurts kind of a
> thing.............Thank you Lance!!!
well, Rennie, this is funny only if he is serious abt this..
> Dream as if you'll live forever; Live as if you'll die tomorrow
I love this sentence, where is it from?
Rita
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 10:16:09 EST
From: Dotiran@aol.com
Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame
In a message dated 1/14/01 9:45:51 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
kilmarnock.oradea@virginnet.co.uk writes:
<< Dream as if you'll live forever; Live as if you'll die tomorrow
I love this sentence, where is it from?
Rita
It is the opening line/director's theme/written on the screen/quote/ meant to
open the movie Endgame. It does appear on the illegal workprint
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 10:44:22 EST
From: "Renaissance (Karen Miller)" <RENMACWOW@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame
In a message dated 1/14/01 6:45:53 AM Pacific Standard Time,
kilmarnock.oradea@virginnet.co.uk writes:
<< well, Rennie, this is funny only if he is serious abt this..
>>
Sorry, Rita, it struck me as funny at the time............Lance often makes
"interesting" statements, here and on other ng's. I usually ignore him, but
the "demands" in this recent post made me laugh.
~Rennie
Renaissance/Karen
Dream as if you'll live forever; Live as if you'll die tomorrow
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 13:47:58 -1000
From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net>
Subject: Re: Endgame - questions from a first time viewer (MAJOR SPOILERS)
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me before--
> >--Try figuring out whether Kell was a pre-Immie or already an Immortal as
of
> >Connor's village flashback (have headache remedy available).
Marina--
> Well, wouldn't he have said something if he'd already been an immie?
And risked being banished--or worse--himself? Maybe he didn't understand
yet what he was.
The buzz C felt just before the cottage door was bashed in was at least as
prominent as the other buzzes in the film, as opposed to lesser or somehow
different like you'd expect from a pre-Immie. And, in the cemetery, Kell
says that he & Connor missed the signs about immortality back then; he was
wrong--C got it, but apparently Kell himself was also immortal then but
ignorant about it all. Had Kell still been pre-Immie, then there was
nothing for him to have missed back then. The issue is clear as mud from
the theater version, but the closest to sense I can make of it is that Kell
had had his 1st death & revived privately sometime before that FB scene.
The workprint hints that the old priest knew Kell was like Connor; as he
dies in Kell's arms, the priest asks him--"What are you?"
me before
> >--Wonder why neither Methos nor DM is upset that an Immie BHd others on
Holy
> >Ground (finish off the aspirin).
Marina--
> Someone said he went rogue and broke the rules - but how come nothing
> happened. (Bet Wendy is thrilled; she knew all along they weren't
> rules, just guidelines.)
The nothing happening part is fine. But the problem remains that in the
film no one gasped. DM, Methos, Connor, Joe--no one was the least bit
shocked or horrified about Holy Ground being so defiled, or about nothing
calamitous happening in direct consequence. Just one line, one incredulous
look is all it would have taken to acknowledge that something (that no Immie
will kill on HG) both stated & assumed for the past 15 years of the
franchise turned out to be untrue.
> >--Don't blink, or you'll also miss the much-ballyhooed Edge
appearance--as
> >the main highwayman (unnamed).
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> I have no idea who that is.
Be glad. He's a WWF wrestler. Responsible for AP, CL & LB appearing on WWF
Smackdown! to promo "Edge's film."
> >--DM got married--try not to think about it.
>
> Gillian Horvath is one of the writers and didn't catch this??
Um, yes. The argument is that DM forgot &/or lied about that little detail
all through the series; as for The Darkness' FB gypsy curse, that FB was set
_after_ the film's wedding date. (I'm not saying any of that is a GOOD
argument, by the way. DM's having been briefly married to Kate was totally
unnecesary to the plot; they could have been about to wed, w/ DM doing the
deed just before--& w/ her horrified response another of the tragedies that
KEPT him from ever marrying.)
> >--Try to figure out if Connor wanted DM to make Kate an Immie, or not
> >(swig).
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> I thought he didn't.
So, why'd Connor bring up the subject at the wedding? After multiple
viewings, my take is C wanted very much for DM to do exactly what he did
(though I assume he gave DM more credit than turned out to be wise as to
timing &/or verbal follow-through). C pressed DM's emotional buttons to get
him to make Kate an Immie.
> >--Hear Faith blaming DM for her not having kids (booze again).
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> Yeah, why didn't he bother to correct her?
So much necessary dialogue just isn't there.
> >--Wonder why Kell talks funny.
>
> Bruce Martin Payne is English, isn't he?
Don't know. I meant the bizarre whispery stuff.
> >--Try to figure out if Kell's lair is Holy Ground, too (finish off the
> >bottle).
>
> Why would it be?
All the crosses, the menorrah, the Last Supper set-up at the end, etc. The
workprint makes it clear that Kell is constructing a magnificent cathedral
(which explains why parts of the building are unfinished, though not why the
building is part power plant); maybe it isn't yet consecrated. Otherwise,
not only do we have Kell BHg on HG--DM does, too. That, I'll never buy.
Nina
geiger@maui.net
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 19:25:22 EST
From: Dotiran@aol.com
Subject: Re: Endgame - questions from a first time viewer (MAJOR SPOILERS)
In a message dated 1/14/01 6:49:01 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
geiger@maui.net writes:
<<
-<<-Wonder why Kell talks funny.
<< Bruce Martin Payne is English, isn't he?
<<Don't know. I meant the bizarre whispery stuff.
I have always attributed that to Payne's illness, a bronchial wheeze so to
speak --he *was* the one who had a serious pneumonia that closed down the
filming for a month.
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