HIGHLA-L Digest - 7 Jan 2001 to 8 Jan 2001 (#2001-23)
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Topics of the day:
1. Scottish accents (3)
2. The art of discussion...(was Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame
SPOILERS (2)
3. Greetings and Question about Endgame (2)
4. Greetings and Question about Endgame -SPOILERS
5. a "fresher approach" (was)Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame
SPOILERS
6. The art of discussion...(was Re: Greetings and Question about
Endgame SPOILERS
7. The art of discussion...(was Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame
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8. The art of discussion...(was Re: Greetings and Question aboutEndgame
SPO... (4)
9. The art of discussion...(was Re: Greetings and Question
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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 06:47:06 -0000
From: Jette Goldie <jettegoldie@thefreeinternet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Scottish accents
Toni asks:
> Elaine wrote:
> One thing Jette and I are totally agreed on though is that Jim Byrnes
> has got the most wonderful Scottish accent we have ever heard from a
> non-Scot. Right Jette? <end Elaine>
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> Was this a *private* performance? <wiggling eyebrows suggestively> I
> don't think I've ever heard JB with a Scottish accent. I wouldn't mind
> hearing it, though. I bet with that smoky voice of his it would be
> pretty sexy!
Well, *I* heard him in a pub in Edinburgh, surrounded by other
Scottish accents, so it was pretty easy to judge! (private? nah
- there were dozens of people there - just that most of them
weren't HL fans <g>)
Jette
jettegoldie@thefreeinternet.co.uk
http://members.tripod.com/~bosslady/fanfic.html
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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 02:21:48 -0500
From: KLZ <zklee@huskynet.com>
Subject: Re: The art of discussion...(was Re: Greetings and Question about
Endgame SPOILERS
:::: donning bonnet and uniform; heaving huge bass drum over
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"Princes of the Universe" ::::
I wanna testify! I wanna testify!
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The saving (tee hee) grace in all of this is that a bunch of us
got to talk about Highlander, after the List was quiet for a long
time. I've enjoyed taking the imagination out for a good run and
have enjoyed the contributions of old friends and acquaintances.
*BANG* *BANG* *BANG* *BANG* Glooooo-ry glory halleluuuuu-jah, I
am a mortal, I have in side me pork and beans... *BANG* *BANG*
*BANG* *BANG*
~grumpy
Keeper of the Stick to Put Under Rockers so they go Kathump
Kathump
Founder, Highlander Pariah Faction ("I've got a good mind to join
a club and beat you over the head with it")
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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 07:29:44 EST
From: Bizarro7@aol.com
Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame
In a message dated 1/7/01 5:17:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, GPrimeCEO@aol.com
writes:
<< When did I say this? We do feel that ity is our duty to help pseudo-HL
fans
see the light of truth and concentrate on bringing back Connor. What is
wrong with this? >>
Wow. It takes talent to insult an entire mailing list in one simple stroke.
I've seen many a private or limited war on this list, but never anything like
this. I think it calls for a spectacular and definitive gesture on the part
of the Powers That Be, but that's just my own personal expression of
admiration.
Leah
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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 08:00:31 EST
From: RED57@aol.com
Subject: Re: The art of discussion...(was Re: Greetings and Question about
Endgame SPOILERS
My fellow Listanistas
In a message dated 01-01-08 02:24:30 EST, you write:
> :::: donning bonnet and uniform; heaving huge bass drum over
> shoulders and marching up and down banging drum and singing
> "Princes of the Universe" ::::
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> I wanna testify! I wanna testify!
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Isn't that "Princesses of the Universe, Z?
&detail-disoriented
Ginny
"the unofficial" RED57@aol.com (she's lookin' right at 'im)
The Fabbleous New B File: highlander-info@midrange.com
Highlander Chicago List: highlander-chicago-sub@midrange.com
"No HTMLs were beheaded by the Internet in this .sig"
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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 08:42:35 -0500
From: LC Krakowka <liser@lightlink.com>
Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame -SPOILERS
Lance said, to Sandy:
>I challenge you to find your passion and take a stand (hopefully for Save
>Connor) as soon as possible. A healthy focus is a good thing.
Healthy being the key word in that sentence.
Liser
--
Lisa Krakowka ** liser@lightlink.com
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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 08:52:26 -0500
From: LC Krakowka <liser@lightlink.com>
Subject: a "fresher approach" (was)Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame
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I asked Lance, who wanted a "fresher approach" in Endgame:
> << A fresher approach to the immortal concept? Such as?>>
His response:
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> Glad you asked. The Connor-Duncan pairing, if it had to happen, could have
> been so much more interesting. How about having Duncan kill one of Connor's
> friends unknowingly, and then having Connor deal with going after his former
> student and the consequences thereafter. Who needs an evil immie, and there
> many ways to resolve this situation and have a great story. Endgame was to
> simple, and unsatisfying. >>
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>Another thought hit me. How about having Connor kill one of Duncan's friends
>in a quarrel, perhaps Methos or Amanda, and having Duncan deal with going
>after hos former teacher and kinsmen.
Um. While it's true that that particular angle hasn't ever been
played out (Duncan and Connor in direct conflict over a kill), the
idea in general most certainly has.
Richie killed one of Duncan's friends in Haunted.
Methos tortured one of Duncan's friends in the Horseman arc (in FB).
Amanda wanted to kill Methos in Methuselah's Gift.
I'm sure there are more...this is just what came to me off the top of
my head on a Monday morning.
So..what you suggest above isn't any more fresh than what we saw in Endgame.
Further, I don't really think it's a viable plot. Duncan isn't going
to attack Connor over a dead friend. Connor isn't going to attack
Duncan over a dead friend. Their relationship goes deeper than that.
It's true that such a thing (killing a friend) would likely drive a
huge rift between the two, but I doubt very much that it would come
to swords in a serious manner. What you have left, then, is 2 hours
of them brooding at one another, whining to the secondary characters
about how terrible it is that their beloved brother killed X friend
and one of two endings:
1. They walk away not speaking to one another
2. They reconcile.
This would make great fan-fic. And a LOUSY movie, IMO.
Liser
--
Lisa Krakowka ** liser@lightlink.com
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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:57:13 EST
From: Susan Kirt <SUQKRT@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Scottish accents
In a message dated 1/7/01 8:06:38 PM, toni822@webtv.net writes:
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>Lynn wrote:
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>I think the last time I heard Branagh attempt an American accent was in
Dead Again, and I thought it was far too exaggerated. <end Lynn>
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>I agree his accent in Dead Again was not the best.(loved the movie,
though) I thought he was going for a New Jersey or New York accent but
was confused since I thought the movie was set on the west coast. But
he does a great southern accent (can't recall the movie - he played a
lawyer) and a good "generic" American accent, too.
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Maybe he was attempting the dreaded "
" accent ;o)
Suz
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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 23:49:33 -0000
From: Rita Ballantyne <kilmarnock.oradea@virginnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame
sandy wrote
But I figured what the heck... the list has been quiet and he was at least
> good for getting some discussion going. I'm guessing others felt the same
way.
aha
>
> Now that he's hit his obnoxious stride, I've decided to killfile him.
killfile? what's that?
Rita
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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 00:02:17 -0000
From: Rita Ballantyne <kilmarnock.oradea@virginnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: The art of discussion...(was Re: Greetings and Question about
Endgame SPOILERS
klz writes
> The saving (tee hee) grace in all of this is that a bunch of us
> got to talk about Highlander, after the List was quiet for a long
> time. I've enjoyed taking the imagination out for a good run and
> have enjoyed the contributions of old friends and acquaintances.
>
> *BANG* *BANG* *BANG* *BANG* Glooooo-ry glory halleluuuuu-jah, I
> am a mortal, I have in side me pork and beans... *BANG* *BANG*
> *BANG* *BANG*
>
> ~grumpy
> Keeper of the Stick to Put Under Rockers so they go Kathump
> Kathump
> Founder, Highlander Pariah Faction ("I've got a good mind to join
> a club and beat you over the head with it")
huh?!?!? was this Chinese? me no understand. :)
Rita
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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:05:16 EST
From: Dotiran@aol.com
Subject: Re: The art of discussion...(was Re: Greetings and Question about
Endgame SPO...
In a message dated 1/8/01 12:12:41 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
kilmarnock.oradea@virginnet.co.uk writes:
<< huh?!?!? was this Chinese? me no understand. :)
Just give it time.
Zk 's style is an acquired taste. *g*
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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:22:46 -0500
From: KLZ <zklee@huskynet.com>
Subject: Re: The art of discussion...(was Re: Greetings and Question
aboutEndgame SPO...
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> > Now that he's hit his obnoxious stride, I've decided to killfile him.
>
> killfile? what's that?
You put him in the bass drum and beat the drum.
(actually, most mail programs have filters or killfiles. You can
make a filter that says, for example, "if Wendy wrote it, move it
to the DANGER folder".)
>
> > *BANG* *BANG* *BANG* *BANG* Glooooo-ry glory halleluuuuu-jah, I
> > am a mortal, I have in side me pork and beans... *BANG* *BANG*
> > *BANG* *BANG*
> >
Well, the Pork and Beans is from Tanya Brooks's kids in a
take-off on "Princes of the Universe":
I am a mortal, I have inside me pork & beans!
I have no mival, no sand candy my evil,
Take me to the future at the mall!
The bonnet and bass drum are from the street meeting that I tried
to get going when Lance so kindly offered to save us concerning
the One True Highlander.
> > ~grumpy
> > Keeper of the Stick to Put Under Rockers so they go Kathump
> > Kathump
> > Founder, Highlander Pariah Faction ("I've got a good mind to join
> > a club and beat you over the head with it")
>
> huh?!?!? was this Chinese? me no understand. :)
>
>
> Just give it time.
> Zk 's style is an acquired taste. *g*
::: making funny face at Dorothy :::
ZK
zklee@huskynet.com
Member, Slightly Dowdy Overweight Leather-Clad Computer Babes
with Math Degrees
Founder, Clan Delusional ("Duncan is in Raven! He's there! He
is! Isisisisisis!!!!")
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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:32:48 -0500
From: Elaine Nicol <ElaineN@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Scottish accents
Jette wrote :-
>>
In the UK a Scots accent (real or put on) on a tv show immediately
cues the viewer that this is 1) the villain 2) a petty thief/drunk
3) a wife beater 4) the "hard nosed" and/or corrupt cop. With
that working against them, you can see why our actors tend
wroteto lose their accent ASAP! <<
Though The Bill has changed this recently. Their Scottish Cops are
usually straighter than straight, Grieg and now Lennox, but they did do it
after a lot of criticism about it.
Rita wrote :-
>> it's better than christophers, let's just say <<
Actually Christophe can do not a bad Scottish accent these days, and in
Endgame it was better than Adrian's. But then Christophe has spent so much
time in Scotland over the years.
Rita wrote :-
>> no, a londoner can not understand scottish, i mean lots of them! <<
I've never really had much of a problem, you get the occasional person,
but I think with so many regional accents being acceptable on TV these days
we are all more tuned into various accents. I also think this is why
Americans don't realise they have accents, they are used to hearing so many
different ones on TV and in movies that as long as someone is speaking
something understandable the accent just gets forgotten.
MicheleK wrote :-
>> So, how were all the various accents in Braveheart? or other movies if
you
can give examples. <<
Well Mel's accent was the most accurate thing in the movie. Wallace was
born just west of Glasgow in Elderslie, and that was more or less the
accent Mel Gibson used. But then again Mel spent a lot of holidays in
Scotland when he was younger so he knew what it sounded like, and then many
of the other actors were Scots anyway.<G>
Lynn Loschin wrote :-
>> Many truly "authentic" accents would be incomprehensible to a
large majority of the audience, because diction, patterns of speech,
etc. have changed over time. I think for the most part, the accents
on Highlander succeeded in that, and avoided being so broad that
they belonged in The Princess Bride instead of Highlander.
Just another perspective.... <<
Yes I have to agree with Lynn here.
I am a Scot and the only accents that really made me cringe on Highlander
where Rachel Macleod's and The Bonnie Prince Charlie accent in Take Back
the Night but that was for a different reason. The actor was Scottish,
and had a Scottish accent unlike BPC who had an Italian accent. :-)
Lynn wrote :-
>>At least they tried to explain that with dialogue, that she'd spent 10
years in the U.S. <<
Yes they did, but they'd have been better just to let her speak with her
own accent and put
that in.
Lynn wrote :-
>> It is true that people who spend a long time away
from home have a marked change in their accent. I had two British
professors in college, and over the four years I knew them, their
speech became noticably less British and more kind of non-
specifically "transatlantic" (not unlike Duncan's contemporary voice,
which doesn't sound "American" and doesn't sound really "British"
either.) <<
I think it depends, I've known people who have lived in the US for 20 or 30
years and their accent never changes. But yes most people do. I know
even after a few weeks I am using American words, and American friends are
using Scottish words.<G>
BTW that kind of cross British US accent is what we call a mid-atlantic
accent. Because it's is neither British or American so it's somewhere in
the middle.
Lynn wrote :-
>>
Wasn't Annie Devlin Irish rather than Scottish? <<
Well it was supposed to be. But I was referring to her own accent rather
than that one.
Toni wrote :-
>>Was this a *private* performance? <wiggling eyebrows suggestively> I
don't think I've ever heard JB with a Scottish accent. I wouldn't mind
hearing it, though. I bet with that smoky voice of his it would be
pretty sexy! <<
Well Jette and I have both heard him on several different occasions.
The first time I heard it was in a little bay in the North of Scotland when
they were filming Homeland. I know he laughed at me when he did it,
because I did this double take on him.
Then he was our main guest at the Homeland convention in 1998.
And yes it is very sexy. :-)
Elaine.
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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:33:25 -0500
From: Gina Shaw <ginadc@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: The art of discussion...(was Re: Greetings and Question
aboutEndgame SPO...
ZK wrote:
>Well, the Pork and Beans is from Tanya Brooks's kids in a
>take-off on "Princes of the Universe":
>
> I am a mortal, I have inside me pork & beans!
> I have no mival, no sand candy my evil,
> Take me to the future at the mall!
:: sniffle :: Ah, memories. I remember sitting with Sandy and Morgan and
some other folks at one of the big sessions at my first-ever HL con,
Syndicon ... um ... '96? I think. Yeah, had to be. Anyway, they were
showing an ep on the big screen and when "Princes of the Universe" played,
you could tell who in the crowd was from HIGHLA-L because we all bellowed
"Take me to the future at the mall!"
Little did I know then of what was in store...
Gina
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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:03:54 -0500
From: Elaine Nicol <ElaineN@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: The art of discussion...(was Re: Greetings and Question
aboutEndgame SPO...
>> The bonnet and bass drum are from the street meeting that I tried
to get going when Lance so kindly offered to save us concerning
the One True Highlander. <<
Mmm can I supply some bagpipes......<noises like someone killing the cat
start in the background>
Well I am part of Clan MacLeod after all, it's the least I can do.
Elaine.
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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 04:17:00 -0000
From: Rita Ballantyne <kilmarnock.oradea@virginnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: The art of discussion...(was Re: Greetings and Question
aboutEndgame SPO...
Well I am part of Clan MacLeod after all, it's the least I can do.
the real clan? on isle of skye?
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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:03:41 -0700
From: Laura R <larug@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: The art of discussion...(was Re: Greetings and Question
aboutEndgame SPO...
At 2:22 PM -0500 1/8/01, KLZ wrote:
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>> > Now that he's hit his obnoxious stride, I've decided to killfile him.
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> > killfile? what's that?
Directly filtering certain people's post directly to the trash does
prove useful at times. <eg>
<snip>
>Well, the Pork and Beans is from Tanya Brooks's kids in a
>take-off on "Princes of the Universe":
>
> I am a mortal, I have inside me pork & beans!
> I have no mival, no sand candy my evil,
> Take me to the future at the mall!
>
Laurer searches her achieves and finds the post (may 1996):
It goes:
>
>Here we are, born to be queens
>We're the princesses of the nunerverse (they don't know how to say universe)
>I am a mortal, I have inside me pork and beans
>I have no mival, no sand candy my evil
>Take me to the future at the mall!
>(copyright...Brittney and Colette Brooks, then age 7 & 5) :-)
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>> Just give it time.
> > Zk 's style is an acquired taste. *g*
I like zk's style. intelligent, silly, weirdness. it's perfect.
--
Laura Ruggiero <larug@earthlink.net>
"Vital papers will demonstrate their vitality by moving from where
you left them to where you can't find them."
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