HIGHLA-L Digest - 7 Jan 2001 (#2001-22)
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There are 9 messages totalling 551 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Greetings and Question about Endgame (3)
2. Question to List Owner Debra (2)
3. The art of discussion...(was Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame
SPOILERS
4. Scottish accents (2)
5. inspired by a vampire test
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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 17:44:12 -0500
From: Sandy Fields <diamonique@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame
At 05:16 PM 01/07/01, Lance Aldridge wrote:
>We do feel that ity is our duty to help pseudo-HL fans see the light of
>truth and concentrate on bringing back Connor. What is wrong with this?
<snip>
>I believe i can save anyone who hates Connor, it just takes the right effort.
"Help pseudo-HL fans"? "Save anyone"? I think it's time for me to stop
feeding this guy.
-- Sandy
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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 17:42:32 -0500
From: comet <sph04346@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu>
Subject: Re: Question to List Owner Debra
On Sun, 7 Jan 2001, Lance Aldridge wrote:
> i'm doing with this one) in an effort to stay under the limit. I', aware
> that the list owner is watching me closely (unfairly, I think) and i wish to
> abide by the list rules. I find the five post limit overbearing and
> unreasonable, and think 10 posts should be the limit.
The rule has been in place for years because at one time this list had
hundreds of people on it (and most of them were not lurkers). If ten
people post ten times we're looking at hundred msgs, not even counting the
replays you'd like to make to those or replies other people would like to
make.
Like Sandy said, combine relative posts.
And, Debbie watches everybody.
comet
sph04346@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu
I merely chewed in self defense. I never swallowed.
-- Draco, Dragonheart
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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 09:28:28 +1100
From: tunnack <tunnack@ozemail.com.au>
Subject: The art of discussion...(was Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame
SPOILERS
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Lance said: <<..Get over it please so we can discuss HL....>>
You see Lance that is the problem....we're not getting any discussion from
you. All we're getting is unsubstantiated assertions and fist-pounding
battle cries but you don't address any of the points being raised. If you
want to discuss Highlander why don't you do so so? Stay focused :-)
In answer to what I thought was a fairly reasonably put case that Connor did
not act as a *quitter* you retorted, (for I wouldn't call it a reasoned
response): <<... It doesn't matter. I still don't see Connor, or Duncan as
quitters, and connor was written as a truly pathetic quitter in Endgame.
Almost as if Horvath and the others were trying to berate him to make Duncan
look more
heroic. It stank as an effort........>>
What *doesn't matter*???? Anything that negates your perceptions? This is
like the chest pounding battle cry of the young who answer a well made point
with "Well!! that's what *I* think!" as if the mere uttering of this phrase
demolishes all previously put points and establishes them , Colossus of
Rhodes like, in the annals of intelligent discourse.
Saying *you* didn't see it that way is not an argument, it is simply an
observation of your own viewpoint. What would be more interesting would be
a reasoned argument in response to the many that have been put as to why you
define *pathetic quitter* in the way you do.
I've taken the liberty of changing the topic line - please feel free to
change it back anyone..)
Kind regards
@ Carmel Macpherson:
<<<@{}=================>>> Chief EDFWs
@ carmel@hldu.org
http://carmel.simplenet.com/
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Highlander DownUnder: An Official HL Fan Club.
http://www.hldu.org
***HLDU4: Apr 6-8, 2001. Brisbane***
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Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 18:11:47 -0500
From: pgannon <pgannon@OPTonline.net>
Subject: Re: Scottish accents
Oh, Toni, it's not you or Jette or I have a problem with, those accents
are great! It's all the Americans (like me) who insist we have no accent!
Peggie (LOL ;-P
----- Original Message -----
From: "Toni Stewart" <toni822@webtv.net>
To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU>
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: Scottish accents
> Peggie:
>
> Sorry to bring up another "Could you please", but please let us know who
> you
> are quoting when replying to a post. Thanks, with all the
> "personalities" on the list, it gets a little confusing...
>
> --Can't you tell from our accents??? <BG>!
>
> Toni
>
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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 18:41:16 -0400
From: Rebecca Wallace <becky717@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame
Sandy Fields wrote:
> At 05:16 PM 01/07/01, Lance Aldridge wrote:
> >We do feel that ity is our duty to help pseudo-HL fans see the light of
> >truth and concentrate on bringing back Connor. What is wrong with this?
>
> <snip>
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> >I believe i can save anyone who hates Connor, it just takes the right effort.
>
> "Help pseudo-HL fans"? "Save anyone"? I think it's time for me to stop
> feeding this guy.
>
> -- Sandy
I am not trying to be a "smart-a**", but some of us *did* try to tell y'all when
he first signed on! <bg>
-Becky <knew I should have done a "pool" as to when he would start showing his
"true colors" >
<has he told y'all about his "convention" in New Orleans yet?>
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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 19:08:59 -0500
From: Sandy Fields <diamonique@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame
At 05:41 PM 01/07/01, Rebecca Wallace wrote:
>I am not trying to be a "smart-a**", but some of us *did* try to tell
>y'all when he first signed on! <bg>
Um... I know. I'm one of the folks who issued the warnings. I've been
through this crap with him before on several forums. I know all about the
million fan march, the meeting with TPTB, the convention, and his thousands
of followers.
But I figured what the heck... the list has been quiet and he was at least
good for getting some discussion going. I'm guessing others felt the same way.
Now that he's hit his obnoxious stride, I've decided to killfile him.
-- Sandy
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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 14:44:58 -1000
From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net>
Subject: Re: Question to List Owner Debra
Lance (of course)--
> I find the five post limit overbearing and
> unreasonable, and think 10 posts should be the limit.
And if this were _your_ list, that would be relevant.
> This is an outright lie.
Temper, temper. (If the sock puppet fits....)
>I'm the only one of our innercircle who ever posted
> to the HolyGround Forum. The others, including Pete and Stacy have never
> posted there.
Inner circle? Doesn't an alleged group of 3 form a triangle?
>Then you are, IMHO, misled about HL and should begin to seriously examine
>whether you are a true fan.
AND
>We do feel that ity is our duty to help pseudo-HL fans see the light of
truth and
> concentrate on bringing back Connor.
The list owner put an end to that silliness a couple days ago. No more
"true fan" crap.
>They are all real. You are in denial about our movement. Get over it
please
>so we can discuss HL.
I admit to being in denial about chocolate, the great health food. As to
HL, I'm quite realistic about who's an ex-Immie, & why.
I, for one, am waiting for you to _start_ discussing HL, as opposed to your
own fantasies. And, amusing myself in the meantime.
Nina
geiger@maui.net
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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 20:06:08 -0500
From: Toni Stewart <toni822@webtv.net>
Subject: Re: Scottish accents
Elaine wrote:
One thing Jette and I are totally agreed on though is that Jim Byrnes
has got the most wonderful Scottish accent we have ever heard from a
non-Scot. Right Jette? <end Elaine>
Was this a *private* performance? <wiggling eyebrows suggestively> I
don't think I've ever heard JB with a Scottish accent. I wouldn't mind
hearing it, though. I bet with that smoky voice of his it would be
pretty sexy!
Lynn wrote:
I think the last time I heard Branagh attempt an American accent was in
Dead Again, and I thought it was far too exaggerated. <end Lynn>
I agree his accent in Dead Again was not the best.(loved the movie,
though) I thought he was going for a New Jersey or New York accent but
was confused since I thought the movie was set on the west coast. But
he does a great southern accent (can't recall the movie - he played a
lawyer) and a good "generic" American accent, too.
Peggi wrote:
Oh, Toni, it's not you or Jette or I have a problem with, those
accents are great! It's all the Americans (like me) who insist we have
no accent! <end Peggie>
Just to clarify, I'm American. I, however, think accents are relative
to where you are and who you are with. So at one time or another, we
ALL have an accent. For instance, I'm learning to speak Spanish, and
my tutor tells me I tend to speak with a Puerto Rican accent. I've
never been to Puerto Rico, but most of my Spanish speaking friends are
Puerto Rican, so I guess I'm picking up the accent. Now, I can't tell
the difference between a Puerto Rican accent, a Mexican accent or
"formal" Spanish, but a fluent speaker can. I can pretty much tell what
part of the country most Americans are from after only hearing a few
sentences. What does that tell you about Americans not having accents?
LOL.
Hasta Luego! (did you catch the accent?)
Toni <who dutifully combined her posts so as not to evoke the wrath of
the list mistress - I like it here and don't want to be banished>
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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 20:44:19 EST
From: List Kathy Avery <Lynxf19@aol.com>
Subject: Re: inspired by a vampire test
kilmarnock.oradea@virginnet.co.uk writes:
> The Immortal Vulnerability Test
> Considering the scores I've got, I have determined that there are a serious
> number of mortals out there having a preference to be immortal. I believe
> that the fantastically high scores from mortals should be a hazard
> indication. I emphasise a hazard indication considering that we have an
> inclination to romanticise not just about Adrian and Duncan, but about the
> concept of immortality. Personally, I believe immortals should come with a
> caution message hammered on their forehead, as with cigarette packs:
> "Caution: The Surgeon General warns that exposure to immortals can be
> calamitous to your well-being."
> This following test is meant for mortals alone. It is multiple choice, with
> scores based upon answers to theoretical circumstances. So take out your
> sword and good luck! (and please, do not take it seriously!)
1.) It is late at night and you're alone at home. Abruptly, you detect a
> noise and look around as your heart beats frantically and you have a
bizarre
> feeling crawl up your spine. You realise that you are being watched. Then
> you hear a knock at the door. For an instant, you forget to exhale. You
> senselessly open the door and Duncan MacLeod lets himself in. He appears as
> you could only picture him in your most private thoughts; of the right
> height, locks and eyes. He sweeps you off your feet and drives you away. He
> informs you that he's been shut in a prison for a few years and he wants
> your sword, because he doesn't have one. He guarantees he will not harm you
> with it.
> A.) Demand guarantees in writing.
> B.) Instantaneously declare everlasting gratefulness if he will stick your
sword
> through your chest so you find out if you are immortal too or not.
> C.) Hastily draw out your gun and pull the trigger.
> D.) Urge him to leave you alone, but give him the address of a few of your
> enemies.
> E.) Inform him that you're continuously ready to support someone in
> necessity.
2.) It is an autumn night and you're having a party. The love of your life
> has invariably been totally secretive, but your affection for him has grown
> more and more strong with every day. Abruptly, he admits that he is
actually
> an immortal. Do you:
> A.) Instantaneously declare everlasting gratefulness if he will stick his
> sword through your chest so you find out if you are immortal too or not
> B.) Utter, "My what a large sword you possess!"
> C.) Offer oral pleasure that night.
> D.) Reach for the nearest sword and cut his head off.
> E.) Break up and move to Alaska.
3.) It's just another day at study, when a companion unexpectedly announces
> that your comrade Adam was beheaded the previous night. You drift, unhappy,
> though at that moment you recognise that it has been the fourth colleague
to
> end that way during the last weekend. You begin to be suspicious and upon
> inquiry, learn that your colleague is an immortal. Do you:
> A.) Challenge him.
> B.) Move to Alaska and disregard the situation.
> C.) Instantaneously declare everlasting gratefulness if he will stick his
> sword through your chest so you find out if you are immortal too or not.
> D.) Buy a sword and try to behead him while he's asleep.
> E.) Phone the police office to report an immortal.
4.) After being a member of an immortal mailing list for a while, you start
> to recognise that there actually are immortals out there. In fact, you get
> to befriend a few. One of them who has revealed that they regularly kill
> addresses you one night and says that you are one of them and it's better
if
> he shoots you in the chest.
> A.) Instantaneously declare everlasting gratefulness if he will stick your
> sword through your chest so you find out if you are immortal too or not.
> B.) Declare, "You'll kill no one"
> C.) Produce the name of a peer list member.
> D.) Employ your skills of martial arts on him (assault with a katana etc)
> E.) Give your consent, however only with the condition that you get to do
> the same with him.
5.) You're isolated at home, alone ever since you broke up with your last
> lover four days ago, just sitting by a fire consuming whisky and getting
> into a publication. You spin because you feel a buzz and you detect an
> immortal of the opposite sex close to you. At first you are frightened, but
> then looking into his eyes and noting he is the most astonishing living
> thing that you've ever seen, your anxiety decreases and an unusual passion
> grows in your heart and you fight back a compelling urge to instantly jump
> into this stranger's arms and let the night carry you away. At this moment,
> he pops the question. That is he volunteers to shoot you in the chest. Do
> you:
> A.) Instantaneously declare everlasting gratefulness if he will stick your
> sword through your chest so you find out if you are immortal too or not.
> B.) Bore him with inquiries first to deduce if he is Duncan, Methos or
> whoever your favourite immortal is and then instantaneously declare
everlasting
> gratefulness if he will stick your sword through your chest so you find out
> if you are immortal too or not....
> C.) Demand that he comes back when you're on your deathbed.
> D.) Suggest testing.
> E.) Answer by no means, however offer him the name of a peer list member.
> F.) Utter negatively, nevertheless offer him lots of money in return for
> staying the night.
6.) It is a magnificent spring night, the moon is full, and you're on your
> yacht, eating with the most impressive date you've ever had, with only the
> candle and the moon, as your companions beneath are playing impressible
> violin music. You're getting familiar with your date when abruptly you
> detect that he is immortal. Do you:
> A.) Excuse yourself and sneak out a bath window into a motorboat and run.
> B.) Suggest kissing.
> C) Instantaneously declare everlasting gratefulness if he will stick your
> sword through your chest so you find out if you are immortal too or not.
> D.) Nothing, but be reassured by your chef that he makes the food
poisonous.
> E.) Invite him another time in the future.
7.) You're alone with an immortal companion at home. You're juggling knives
> like you sometimes do on Wednesday nights, while unexpectedly you pierce
> yourself. Do you:
> A.) Try to mask the blood and the injury and hope they don't recognise
that it's healed already.
> B.) Wave the point of the injury in front of him sarcastically and chuckle.
> C.) Wave the point of the injury in front of him sarcastically and at that
> moment instantaneously declare everlasting gratefulness if he will stick
> your sword through your chest so you find out if you are immortal too or
> not.
> D.) Sneak out the window of the lavatory into your car and drive away.
> E.) Move to Alaska.
8.) Families in your neighbourhood (Shortlees or where ever you stay) have
> decided that there is an immortal on the loose. One night, this immortal
> seeks you out and asks for a hiding place. You are instantaneously dazzled
> by how pretty and tempting they are. "I understand you adore immortals and
I
> guarantee in turn for the safety not to harm you." Do you:
> A.) Hurry to the kitchen and cut yourself with a blade, run back and wave
of
> the injury in front of him sarcastically and at that moment instantaneously
> declare everlasting gratefulness if he will stick your sword through your
> chest so you find out if you are.
> B.) Agree, but in the first available chance, leap out the shower
> window into your car and drive away.
> C.) Invite him to make himself at home, because you're just moving out to
> Alaska.
> D.) Offer him extraordinary worthy fanfic to read, such as supplied by this
> list.
> E.) Inform him you require intercourse in turn for asylum, not words.
E sounds interesting if its Adrian, but only if hes willing.
9.) You're returning from the presentation of your leading motion picture,
> with your present love interest in your arms. The newsmen and censors cheer
> crazily, your attorney maintains it will be the biggest hit since Star
Wars.
> At last, you get into your personal chopper and fly away to your Rio
> chateau. When you arrive, you and your love have a quiet candlelight meal
on
> a stage in the center of your largest indoor swimming pond. You request
your
> friend to spend the night. He inquires which room, and following a notable
> quantity of thinking, you answer the Armour Chamber.
> Isolated with your sweetheart in this chamber, things are getting out of
> control for both of you. Nevertheless your gigolo stops kissing you, draws
a
> sword and decapitates one of the armoured items and leaves. Do you:
> A.) Finish taking this test before things become extremely ridiculous.
> B.) Search ceaselessly over the planet for your sweetheart, using the
> fingerprints from the sword.
> C.) Seek out the nearest watcher so that they tell you where he is
> D.) Suggest a reward for his head.
> E.) Take a trip to Alaska.
> F.) Do nothing but attempt to form a more permanent love life.
10.) You're simply taking a test, which you believe is just a test, until
> you realize that there is a Watcher watching you take this test. Right now.
> Not fiction, not fantasy, and no insanity. There is a watcher with you
right
> now, watching you read these expressions. He doesn't talk at first and so
> you have no impression what they are. You don't know if anything they state
> will be the truth. All you understand is that they are a watcher.
> A.) You try to escape.
> B.) You stop and interrogate him.
Stop and ask questions.
> C.) You pass out.
> D.) You try to challenge the watcher at the first indication of an
> unfriendly hand movement.
> E.) You demand answers, however acknowledge that you hunger to be an
> immortal or a watcher yourself.
Ok. That's it. Right away allow me clarify the scoring method. Every
> response is between 1-4 points. The ultimate score will be from 10-40. This
> test is meant to gauge how ready you are to be an immortal and it doesn't
> indispensably indicate that you are an immortal. A modest score indicates
if
> it were up to you and it never is you'd like to be mortal. A very high
score
> shows that you'd like to be immortal.
Beside every choice is the number it was valued at. Every question can only
> have one response.
> 01.) A- 3 B- 4 C- 1 D- 2 E- 3
> 02.) A- 4 B- 3 C- 3 D- 1 E- 2
> 03.) A- 2 B- 3 C- 4 D- 1 E- 2
> 04.) A- 4 B- 2 C- 2 D- 1 E- 3
> 05.) A- 4 B- 4 C- 2 D- 3 E- 1 F- 4
> 06.) A- 1 B- 3 C- 4 D- 2 E- 4
> 07.) A- 2 B- 3 C- 4 D- 1 E- 2
> 08.) A- 4 B- 1 C- 2 D- 2 E- 4
> 09.) A- 2 B- 3 C- 4 D- 3 E- 2 F- 1
> 10.) A- 1 B- 2 C- 3 D- 2 E- 4
> Add your scores up.
> Under 15: If it were up to you, you'd stop the advantages of the immortals.
> Since
> it isn't up to you, you'll presumably end up killed by them anyway.
> 16-24: You basically understand enough to remain distant from immortals.
> There is a small fraction of hesitancy, so be cautious. The immortal will
take advantage of it.
> 25-33: One more immortal-lover. Be prudent with enigmatic aliens that you
> run into. If you encounter one, ask them to take this test. Difficulty is,
> you possibly will prefer not to run away to Alaska.
> 34-40: Loves immortals or- You are the perfect immortal. You really do like
> immortals, don't you? You're the sort of individual who would most probably
> favour immortals over mortals.
Specific particular explanations:
If you choose any one of 2E, 3B, 7E, 8C, 9E, face it: Rushing away resolves
> nothing.
If you choose 9A, you've hurt my feelings.
Written as an adaptation by Rita Ballantyne
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