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      Topics in this special issue:
      
        1. Scottish accents (8)
        2. inspired by a vampire test
        3. Question to List Owner Debra (3)
        4. Greetings and Question about Endgame SPOILERS (2)
        5. Greetings and Question about Endgame (2)
      
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      Date:    Fri, 5 Jan 2001 04:02:56 -0000
      From:    Rita Ballantyne <kilmarnock.oradea@virginnet.co.uk>
      Subject: Re: Scottish accents
      
      Sorry to bring up another "Could you please", but please let us know who you
      > are quoting when replying to a post.  Thanks, with all the "personalities"
      > on the list, it gets a little confusing...
      >
      > Peggie
      
      I'll try not to forget that.
      
      Rita
      
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      Date:    Sun, 7 Jan 2001 10:39:52 -0800
      From:    Lynn <lloschin@sprynet.com>
      Subject: Re: Scottish accents
      
      On 7 Jan 01, at 8:00, Toni Stewart wrote:
      
      > I'm just always amazed at how actors from the UK can seeminly so easily
      > pick up American accents (Vivian Leigh, Kevin Brannagh, Emma Thompson,
      > Gabriel Byrne, just to name a few) where the reverse does not seem to be
      > true for American actors  (with the exception of maybe Gweneth Paltrow
      > who I would have sworn was Brittish, but again that is my American
      > opinion).
      
      I think the last time I heard Branagh attempt an American accent was in
      Dead Again, and I thought it was far too exaggerated.  In large
      measure, I don't disagree though.
      
      Speech training (which includes the skills an actor needs to learn
      how to learn a new accent) is something that's taught in drama
      school, both in the US and abroad.  There are very methodical
      ways to learn an accent, and it doesn't take a talent for it as much
      as a skill set and lots of practice. A lot of American actors never
      went to drama school of any kind, while many of the U.K.'s most
      celebrated actors certainly did, so there's a reason right there that
      explains why many UK actors are more talented with accents.
      
      A dialogue coach on a movie or TV set has a limited amount of
      time to work with the actor (sometimes very limited) and if the actor
      doesn't have the skill set before they arrive, there's only so much
      they can do.  That's why a lot of times you end up with a muddy half-
      attempt at an accent that doesn't sound realistic.  The worst accent I
      think I've ever heard on film was Kevin Costner's in Prince of
      Theives, which was simply atrocious.
      
      But like with many things in film, I don't think "authenticity" is as
      important as giving a flavor of the time and place the accent
      represents, while avoiding caricature.  I directed a play in college
      that needed both working-class British and Northern Irish accents.
      The professor who taught speech and dialogue was our dialogue
      coach, and the actors worked really hard on it.  I don't know that the
      Northern Irish accents were authentic at the end of the day, but in
      the end they 1) sounded different from the British accents, 2)
      evoked a "feel" of Ireland, and 3) did not sound like the Lucky
      Charms guy.  To me, as the director, those were the two most
      important things use of the accent accomplished. :)
      
      Many truly "authentic" accents would be incomprehensible to a
      large majority of the audience, because diction, patterns of speech,
      etc. have changed over time.   I think for the most part, the accents
      on Highlander succeeded in that, and avoided being so broad that
      they belonged in The Princess Bride instead of Highlander.
      
      Just another perspective....
      
      
      Lynn Loschin
      Mailto: lloschin@sprynet.com
      Web: http://home.sprynet.com/~lloschin
      ICQ#: 308138
      
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      Date:    Sun, 7 Jan 2001 10:43:30 -0800
      From:    Lynn <lloschin@sprynet.com>
      Subject: Re: Scottish accents
      
      On 7 Jan 01, at 8:01, Elaine Nicol wrote:
      
      >  The Rachel Macleod accent gets the vote
      > for worst Scottish accent.
      
      At least they tried to explain that with dialogue, that she'd spent 10
      years in the U.S.  It is true that people who spend a long time away
      from home have a marked change in their accent.  I had two British
      professors in college, and over the four years I knew them, their
      speech became noticably less British and more kind of non-
      specifically "transatlantic" (not unlike Duncan's contemporary voice,
      which doesn't sound "American" and doesn't sound really "British"
      either.)
      
      > And do not think Sheena Easton sounds anywhere
      > near Scottish, even though she should speak with the same accent as I do.
      
      Wasn't Annie Devlin Irish rather than Scottish?
      
      
      Lynn Loschin
      Mailto: lloschin@sprynet.com
      Web: http://home.sprynet.com/~lloschin
      ICQ#: 308138
      
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      Date:    Sun, 7 Jan 2001 14:49:05 -0500
      From:    Toni Stewart <toni822@webtv.net>
      Subject: Re: Scottish accents
      
      Peggie:
      
      Sorry to bring up another "Could you please", but please let us know who
      you
      are quoting when replying to a post. Thanks, with all the
      "personalities" on the list, it gets a little confusing...
      
      --Can't you tell from our accents???  <BG>!
      
      Toni
      
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      Date:    Fri, 5 Jan 2001 07:26:40 -0000
      From:    Rita Ballantyne <kilmarnock.oradea@virginnet.co.uk>
      Subject: Re: Scottish accents
      
      Toni:
      
      --Can't you tell from our accents???  <BG>!
      
      yes, mine is unmistakable. my mother tongue is Hungarian, live in Scotland,
      so it is rather unusual.
      
      Rita
      
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      Date:    Sun, 7 Jan 2001 20:15:49 -0000
      From:    Jette Goldie <jettegoldie@thefreeinternet.co.uk>
      Subject: Re: Scottish accents
      
      Lynn
      
      > > And do not think Sheena Easton sounds anywhere
      > > near Scottish, even though she should speak with the same accent as I
      do.
      >
      > Wasn't Annie Devlin Irish rather than Scottish?
      
      
      _Annie_ was Irish - but Sheena is Scottish, comes from the
      same town as Elaine!  However Sheena's present accent does
      not sound much like Elaine's.  NOR does it sound ANYTHING
      like Rachel MacLeod's!!!
      
      Jette
      
      jettegoldie@thefreeinternet.co.uk
      http://members.tripod.com/~bosslady/fanfic.html
      
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      Date:    Sun, 7 Jan 2001 20:16:37 -0000
      From:    Jette Goldie <jettegoldie@thefreeinternet.co.uk>
      Subject: Re: Scottish accents
      
      Toni
      
      
      > Peggie:
      >
      > Sorry to bring up another "Could you please", but please let us know who
      > you
      > are quoting when replying to a post. Thanks, with all the
      > "personalities" on the list, it gets a little confusing...
      >
      > --Can't you tell from our accents???  <BG>!
      >
      
      
      LOL!  nope, you guys all sound alike to me ;-)
      
      Jette
      
      jettegoldie@thefreeinternet.co.uk
      http://members.tripod.com/~bosslady/fanfic.html
      
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      Date:    Fri, 5 Jan 2001 08:02:27 -0000
      From:    Rita Ballantyne <kilmarnock.oradea@virginnet.co.uk>
      Subject: inspired by a vampire test
      
      The Immortal Vulnerability Test
      
      Considering the scores I've got, I have determined that there are a serious
      number of mortals out there having a preference to be immortal. I believe
      that the fantastically high scores from mortals should be a hazard
      indication. I emphasise a hazard indication considering that we have an
      inclination to romanticise not just about Adrian and Duncan, but about the
      concept of immortality. Personally, I believe immortals should come with a
      caution message hammered on their forehead, as with cigarette packs:
      "Caution: The Surgeon General warns that exposure to immortals can be
      calamitous to your well-being."
      This following test is meant for mortals alone. It is multiple choice, with
      scores based upon answers to theoretical circumstances. So take out your
      sword and good luck! (and please, do not take it seriously!)
      
      1.) It is late at night and you're alone at home. Abruptly, you detect a
      noise and look around as your heart beats frantically and you have a bizarre
      feeling crawl up your spine. You realise that you are being watched. Then
      you hear a knock at the door. For an instant, you forget to exhale. You
      senselessly open the door and Duncan MacLeod lets himself in. He appears as
      you could only picture him in your most private thoughts; of the right
      height, locks and eyes. He sweeps you off your feet and drives you away. He
      informs you that he's been shut in a prison for a few years and he wants
      your sword, because he doesn't have one. He guarantees he will not harm you
      with it.
      A.) Demand guarantees in writing.
      B.) Instantaneously declare everlasting gratefulness if he will stick your
      sword through your chest so you find out if you are immortal too or not.
      C.) Hastily draw out your gun and pull the trigger.
      D.) Urge him to leave you alone, but give him the address of a few of your
      enemies.
      E.) Inform him that you're continuously ready to support someone in
      necessity.
      
      2.) It is an autumn night and you're having a party. The love of your life
      has invariably been totally secretive, but your affection for him has grown
      more and more strong with every day. Abruptly, he admits that he is actually
      an immortal. Do you:
      A.) Instantaneously declare everlasting gratefulness if he will stick his
      sword through your chest so you find out if you are immortal too or not
      B.) Utter, "My what a large sword you possess!"
      C.) Offer oral pleasure that night.
      D.) Reach for the nearest sword and cut his head off.
      E.) Break up and move to Alaska.
      
      3.) It's just another day at study, when a companion unexpectedly announces
      that your comrade Adam was beheaded the previous night. You drift, unhappy,
      though at that moment you recognise that it has been the fourth colleague to
      end that way during the last weekend. You begin to be suspicious and upon
      inquiry, learn that your colleague is an immortal. Do you:
      A.) Challenge him.
      B.) Move to Alaska and disregard the situation.
      C.) Instantaneously declare everlasting gratefulness if he will stick his
      sword through your chest so you find out if you are immortal too or not.
      D.) Buy a sword and try to behead him while he's asleep.
      E.) Phone the police office to report an immortal.
      
      4.) After being a member of an immortal mailing list for a while, you start
      to recognise that there actually are immortals out there. In fact, you get
      to befriend a few. One of them who has revealed that they regularly kill
      addresses you one night and says that you are one of them and it's better if
      he shoots you in the chest.
      A.) Instantaneously declare everlasting gratefulness if he will stick your
      sword through your chest so you find out if you are immortal too or not.
      B.) Declare, "You'll kill no one"
      C.) Produce the name of a peer list member.
      D.) Employ your skills of martial arts on him (assault with a katana etc)
      E.) Give your consent, however only with the condition that you get to do
      the same with him.
      
      5.) You're isolated at home, alone ever since you broke up with your last
      lover four days ago, just sitting by a fire consuming whisky and getting
      into a publication. You spin because you feel a buzz and you detect an
      immortal of the opposite sex close to you. At first you are frightened, but
      then looking into his eyes and noting he is the most astonishing living
      thing that you've ever seen, your anxiety decreases and an unusual passion
      grows in your heart and you fight back a compelling urge to instantly jump
      into this stranger's arms and let the night carry you away. At this moment,
      he pops the question. That is he volunteers to shoot you in the chest. Do
      you:
      A.) Instantaneously declare everlasting gratefulness if he will stick your
      sword through your chest so you find out if you are immortal too or not.
      B.) Bore him with inquiries first to deduce if he is Duncan, Methos or
      whoever your
      favourite immortal is and then instantaneously declare everlasting
      gratefulness if he will stick your sword through your chest so you find out
      if you are immortal too or not....
      C.) Demand that he comes back when you're on your deathbed.
      D.) Suggest testing.
      E.) Answer by no means, however offer him the name of a peer list member.
      F.) Utter negatively, nevertheless offer him lots of money in return for
      staying the night.
      
      6.) It is a magnificent spring night, the moon is full, and you're on your
      yacht, eating with the most impressive date you've ever had, with only the
      candle and the moon, as your companions beneath are playing impressible
      violin music. You're getting familiar with your date when abruptly you
      detect that he is immortal. Do you:
      A.) Excuse yourself and sneak out a bath window into a motorboat and run.
      B.) Suggest kissing.
      C) Instantaneously declare everlasting gratefulness if he will stick your
      sword through your chest so you find out if you are immortal too or not.
      D.) Nothing, but be reassured by your chef that he makes the food poisonous.
      E.) Invite him another time in the future.
      
      7.) You're alone with an immortal companion at home. You're juggling knives
      like you sometimes do on Wednesday nights, while unexpectedly you pierce
      yourself. Do you:
      A.) Try to mask the blood and the injury and hope they don't recognise that
      it's healed already.
      B.) Wave the point of the injury in front of him sarcastically and chuckle.
      C.) Wave the point of the injury in front of him sarcastically and at that
      moment instantaneously declare everlasting gratefulness if he will stick
      your sword through your chest so you find out if you are immortal too or
      not.
      D.) Sneak out the window of the lavatory into your car and drive away.
      E.) Move to Alaska.
      
      
      8.) Families in your neighbourhood (Shortlees or where ever you stay) have
      decided that there is an immortal on the loose. One night, this immortal
      seeks you out and asks for a hiding place. You are instantaneously dazzled
      by how pretty and tempting they are. "I understand you adore immortals and I
      guarantee in turn for the safety not to harm you." Do you:
      A.) Hurry to the kitchen and cut yourself with a blade, run back and wave of
      the injury in front of him sarcastically and at that moment instantaneously
      declare everlasting gratefulness if he will stick your sword through your
      chest so you find out if you are.
      B.) Agree, but in the first available chance, leap out the shower
      window into your car and drive away.
      C.) Invite him to make himself at home, because you're just moving out to
      Alaska.
      D.) Offer him extraordinary worthy fanfic to read, such as supplied by this
      list.
      E.) Inform him you require intercourse in turn for asylum, not words.
      
      
      9.) You're returning from the presentation of your leading motion picture,
      with your present love interest in your arms. The newsmen and censors cheer
      crazily, your attorney maintains it will be the biggest hit since Star Wars.
      At last, you get into your personal chopper and fly away to your Rio
      chateau. When you arrive, you and your love have a quiet candlelight meal on
      a stage in the center of your largest indoor swimming pond. You request your
      friend to spend the night. He inquires which room, and following a notable
      quantity of thinking, you answer the Armour Chamber.
      Isolated with your sweetheart in this chamber, things are getting out of
      control for both of you. Nevertheless your gigolo stops kissing you, draws a
      sword and decapitates one of the armoured items and leaves. Do you:
      A.) Finish taking this test before things become extremely ridiculous.
      B.) Search ceaselessly over the planet for your sweetheart, using the
      fingerprints from the sword.
      C.) Seek out the nearest watcher so that they tell you where he is
      D.) Suggest a reward for his head.
      E.) Take a trip to Alaska.
      F.) Do nothing but attempt to form a more permanent love life.
      
      
      10.) You're simply taking a test, which you believe is just a test, until
      you realize that there is a Watcher watching you take this test. Right now.
      Not fiction, not fantasy, and no insanity. There is a watcher with you right
      now, watching you read these expressions. He doesn't talk at first and so
      you have no impression what they are. You don't know if anything they state
      will be the truth. All you understand is that they are a watcher.
      A.) You try to escape.
      B.) You stop and interrogate him.
      C.) You pass out.
      D.) You try to challenge the watcher at the first indication of an
      unfriendly hand movement.
      E.) You demand answers, however acknowledge that you hunger to be an
      immortal or a watcher yourself.
      
      
      Ok. That's it. Right away allow me clarify the scoring method. Every
      response is between 1-4 points. The ultimate score will be from 10-40. This
      test is meant to gauge how ready you are to be an immortal and it doesn't
      indispensably indicate that you are an immortal. A modest score indicates if
      it were up to you and it never is you'd like to be mortal. A very high score
      shows that you'd like to be immortal.
      
      Beside every choice is the number it was valued at. Every question can only
      have one response.
      01.) A- 3 B- 4 C- 1 D- 2 E- 3
      02.) A- 4 B- 3 C- 3 D- 1 E- 2
      03.) A- 2 B- 3 C- 4 D- 1 E- 2
      04.) A- 4 B- 2 C- 2 D- 1 E- 3
      05.) A- 4 B- 4 C- 2 D- 3 E- 1 F- 4
      06.) A- 1 B- 3 C- 4 D- 2 E- 4
      07.) A- 2 B- 3 C- 4 D- 1 E- 2
      08.) A- 4 B- 1 C- 2 D- 2 E- 4
      09.) A- 2 B- 3 C- 4 D- 3 E- 2 F- 1
      10.) A- 1 B- 2 C- 3 D- 2 E- 4
      Add your scores up.
      Under 15: If it were up to you, you'd stop the advantages of the immortals.
      Since
      it isn't up to you, you'll presumably end up killed by them anyway.
      16-24: You basically understand enough to remain distant from immortals.
      There is a
      small fraction of hesitancy, so be cautious. The immortal will take
      advantage of it.
      25-33: One more immortal-lover. Be prudent with enigmatic aliens that you
      run into. If you encounter one, ask them to take this test. Difficulty is,
      you possibly will prefer not to run away to Alaska.
      34-40: Loves immortals or- You are the perfect immortal. You really do like
      immortals, don't you? You're the sort of individual who would most probably
      favour immortals over mortals.
      
      Specific particular explanations:
      
      If you choose any one of 2E, 3B, 7E, 8C, 9E, face it: Rushing away resolves
      nothing.
      
      If you choose 9A, you've hurt my feelings.
      
      
      
      Written as an adaptation by Rita Ballantyne
      
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      Date:    Sun, 7 Jan 2001 16:17:12 EST
      From:    Susan Kirt <SUQKRT@aol.com>
      Subject: Re: Scottish accents
      
      In a message dated 1/7/01 3:09:30 PM, kilmarnock.oradea@virginnet.co.uk
      writes:
      
      >Toni:
      >
      >
      >
      >--Can't you tell from our accents???  <BG>!
      >
      >
      >
      >yes, mine is unmistakable. my mother tongue is Hungarian, live in Scotland,
      >
      >so it is rather unusual.
      >
      >
      >
      >Rita
      >
      
      mine is Midwestern New England (live near Boston raised in Michigan)
      Suz
      
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      Date:    Sun, 7 Jan 2001 17:02:46 EST
      From:    Lance Aldridge <GPrimeCEO@aol.com>
      Subject: Re: Question to List Owner Debra
      
      > My list mailbox has received 13 messages from Lance today, and while I am
      > *enjoying* <whistling and crossing fingers> his always unbiased comments,
      > isn't this about 2 1/2 days worth of information from him?
      
      <<And it isn't as if he hasn't been warned.  I did so the other day, when he
      asked about list rules (& went way over the limit).>>
      
      I only respond to post directed at me.  What happens if more than 5 posts are
      directed at me in a day?  I will begin to combine posts into single posts (as
      i'm doing with this one) in an effort to stay under the limit.  I', aware
      that the list owner is watching me closely (unfairly, I think) and i wish to
      abide by the list rules.  I find the five post limit overbearing and
      unreasonable, and think 10 posts should be the limit.
      
      ......and in another post under the same topic........
      
      <Lance, it's 1-2-3-4-5-STOP & go post someplace else until the big orange
      ball peeks over the horizon again.
      << For those who don't know, each and every one of those
       addresses resolve to the same IP number, aka, sock puppets
       for Lance to pretend support for his cause. I spent a few
       weeks on the newsgroup listening to him talk to himself
       (yawn), and still have the whois records around s >>
      
      <<The really funny part came when he tried to march out his sock puppets on
      the
      Holy Ground HL Forum a couple of weeks ago. As IP addys are automatically
      exposed next to the name of each posting, it was quite amusing to see the
      virtually identical IP's popping up next to each of these so-called
      "supporters" who had never been seen on the Forum before Lance arrived. I
      find it utterly amazing that everyone who feels as he does about the
      Connorsortium happen to live in the same building as he. Maybe he throws
      really great block parties or something.>>
      
      This is an outright lie.  I'm the only one of our innercircle who ever posted
      to the HolyGround Forum.  The others, including Pete and Stacy have never
      posted there.
      
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      Date:    Sun, 7 Jan 2001 17:08:10 EST
      From:    Lance Aldridge <GPrimeCEO@aol.com>
      Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame SPOILERS
      
      In a message dated 1/6/01 5:06:56 PM Central Standard Time,
      lilith93@hotmail.com writes:
      
      << I simply don't like Connor. It could be the actor. I can stand CL in any of
       his roles either, it could be the bad accent. It could be something else, I
       have no idea. It's like some others have with Tracy Scoggins and Cassie, I
       just don't like the guy. >>
      
      Then you are, IMHO, misled about HL and should begin to seriously examine
      whether you are a true fan.
      
      ......in another post kilmarnock.oradea@virginnet.co.uk (Rita Ballantyne)
      said...........
      
      How about having Connor kill one of Duncan's friends
      >  in a quarrel, perhaps Methos or Amanda, and having Duncan deal with going
      >  after hos former teacher and kinsmen.
      
      <<great fanfic would that be!>>
      
      It would also have made a great film.  Too bad Horvath and Panzer aren't as
      imaginative.
      
      .....in another post ddoug@catrio.org (Debra Douglass)
       said........
       >>
       >><<
       >>  >>Only in the mind of an insane person.  Connor winning the Prize was the
       >>  >>logical conclusion.
       >>
       >> Lance, we don't allow name calling here. Please don't do it again. >>
       >>
       >>I wasn't aware that I called anyone a name.
       >>
      
      When ZK said:
       >> Killing off Connor was a logical conclusion to the HL movie arc.
      
      You responded:
       >>Only in the mind of an insane person.  Connor winning the Prize was the
       >>logical conclusion.
      
      <<Since you said this in direct response to ZK's remark so you in effect
      called her insane.>>
      
      I think you are being overly sensitive Debra.  PC can kill the discussion on
      a list.  We have been nothing but polite in our discussions, and I only meant
      to say that Connor, as the hero of the saga, should survive the ending, and
      that his death is illogical (and many insane people are illogical.
      
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      Date:    Sun, 7 Jan 2001 22:11:13 -0000
      From:    Rita Ballantyne <kilmarnock.oradea@virginnet.co.uk>
      Subject: Re: Question to List Owner Debra
      
      I find the five post limit overbearing and
      > unreasonable, and think 10 posts should be the limit.
      
      i failed to read the limits, but my mails are usually small anyway.
      
      > <<The really funny part came when he tried to march out his sock puppets
      on
      > the
      > Holy Ground HL Forum a couple of weeks ago.
      
      must be an entertaining past time for him.
      
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      Date:    Sun, 7 Jan 2001 17:13:42 EST
      From:    Lance Aldridge <GPrimeCEO@aol.com>
      Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame SPOILERS
      
      In a message dated 1/6/01 10:41:52 PM Central Standard Time,
      tunnack@ozemail.com.au writes:
      
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        Lance:  <<..It still doesn't ring true with Connor's character.  He was
       never a quitter
       until Endgame...>>
      
       Lance surely you could only say this if we were aware of everything that
       Connor had done since he became immortal.  For all we know he has taken time
       out before, just as Duncan has. Things change in people's lives - a gradual
       grinding down of the spirit can take its toll.  You're associating Connor's
       self-sacrificing decision to put himself into stasis as demonstrating
       weakness (your reference to him being thus portrayed as a *quitter* implies
       this to me).  I didn't read it that way at all.  Quitting would have been
       allowing someone to take his head and removing himself permanently from the
       game.  He chose a far more difficult and dangerous path for himself, all in
       order to try and guarantee the safety of Duncan. he knew that Duncan would
       never take his head and he wasn't prepared to let anyone else have it.
      
       Whilst his spirit was ground down, his heart and soul were, IMHO, still
       focussed and strong.
      
       Re my saying that you didn't need to put Duncan down to elevate Connor.  You
       said <<..I wasn't aware I had done this...>>
      
       I think that was my interpretation of your constant calling for Duncan's
       death and the constant way in which you dismiss Duncan and others like
       Methos as far more expendable.
      
       Personally I wish that none of them ever died.  I loved Connor and Richie
       and Rebecca and Darius and Fitz and Sean etc etc...I'd be heart broken if
       Duncan were ever killed and would probably join you in the Consortium!!!! So
       I'm not at all putting you down for being very upset that Connor was killed
       and, from your point of view, killed cheaply.  But I just didn't read it
       that way.  I thought that the roof top scene was extraordinarily powerful
       and uplifting in the way in which it dealt with love, sacrifice and finally,
       for Connor, his joy at *coming home* to his Heather and his beloved
       Highlands.
      
       And remember - Duncan is going to bring them all back when he is the
       ultimate Prince of the Universe :-))
      
       Kind regards
        >>
      
      It doesn't matter.  I still don't see Connor, or Duncan as quitters, and
      connor was written as a truly pathetic quitter in Endgame.  Almost as if
      Horvath and the others were trying to berate him to make Duncan look more
      heroic.  It stank as an effort........
      
      In another post Rita said.........
      
      >
      > > Most Duncan fans are rightist.
      
      what do u mean? nationalist?> >
      
      No I mean liberal, in that they accept any subsitute over Connor.
      
      > >>>As leader of the Save Connor movement and a high ranking official
      within
      > the
      > ranks of the Save Connor Consortium, I speak for all those persons who
      enjoy
      > membership within the organization, and those who feel Connor's death was
      a
      > mistake in Endgame.  The Consortium consist of Save Connor, Save Connor
      > east,
      > The Connor Appreciation Society, The Connor Macleod Protection Force and a
      > number of other satellite Connor-realted organizations.  We estimate our
      > numbers to be in the thousands.>>>
      
      <<are u serious abt the existance of all those organisations??!!??>>
      
      Yes, visit  <A HREF="http://angelfire.com/scifi/saveconnormacleod">Save
      Connor Macleod</A> to get a better idea of who they are.
      
      In another post kilmarnock.oradea@virginnet.co.uk writes:
      
      << are u serious abt the existance of all those organisations??!!??
      
      We've warned you.
      None of them are real.>>
      
      They are all real.  You are in denial about our movement.  Get over it please
      so we can discuss HL.
      
      ------------------------------
      
      Date:    Sun, 7 Jan 2001 17:16:07 EST
      From:    Lance Aldridge <GPrimeCEO@aol.com>
      Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame
      
      In a message dated 1/7/01 9:02:46 AM Central Standard Time, Bizarro7@aol.com
      writes:
      
      <<
       Clearly, Lance needs to belong to a special "True Highlander Fan" list for
       himself and all his purist friends who share his belief that the "Only One"
       can and must only be Connor. He will never be happy on all the other,
       polluted lists full of the unpure, unwashed, unenlightened and unfocused.>>
      
      When did I say this?  We do feel that ity is our duty to help pseudo-HL fans
      see the light of truth and concentrate on bringing back Connor.  What is
      wrong with this?
      
       << Lance, please found this "THF" list and get thee hence, for your true
       happiness awaits. And take the sock pupp-er, Conorsortium with you. Since
       there are thousands who feel precisely as you do, you will have no
       inclination to waste your time wrestling with all these fools who haven't
       seen the light and never will. You'll be busy with that huge hoard who share
       your outlook and will lead your cause to glory. >>
      
      My unconditional love for Hl fandom, even the delusional, drives me to argue
      for Connor.  These are merely my feelings.  Take them as they are.  I believe
      i can save anyone who hates Connor, it just takes the right effort.
      
      ------------------------------
      
      Date:    Sun, 7 Jan 2001 17:31:46 -0500
      From:    Sandy Fields <diamonique@earthlink.net>
      Subject: Re: Question to List Owner Debra
      
      At 05:02 PM 01/07/01, Lance Aldridge wrote:
      
      >I only respond to post directed at me.  What happens if more than 5 posts
      >are directed at me in a day?
      
      Combine your responses.  Just remember to quote "only" the pertinent
      portions of the messages you're responding to, and make sure you credit
      each quote to the proper person.
      
      I have to be more careful, too.  The other day I was bored at work and I
      sent 13 posts; and heaven knows I've been here long enough to know better.
      
      -- Sandy
      
      ------------------------------
      
      Date:    Sun, 7 Jan 2001 16:41:50 -0600
      From:    "T.Jastram" <idlehanz@flashmail.com>
      Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame
      
      Lance says:
      
      > We do feel that ity is our duty to help pseudo-HL fans
      > see the light of truth and concentrate on bringing back Connor.  What is
      > wrong with this?
      
      WE?  Do you have a frog in your pocket?
      
      >
      > My unconditional love for Hl fandom, even the delusional, drives me to
      argue
      > for Connor.  These are merely my feelings.  Take them as they are.  I
      believe
      > i can save anyone who hates Connor, it just takes the right effort.
      
      And my feelings are, as of this post:
      
      killfile, killfile, killfile.
      
      Tricia <who likes them all {even the dead ones} and does not consider
      herself to be a pseudo-HL fan>
                <who has never felt the need to be 'saved'>
                <who begs you not to take the effort, since this one is obviously
      not the *right* effort>
                <who asks that you define 'unconditional' {to the list at large,
      of course, since I will not be reading}>
      
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