HIGHLA-L Digest - 6 Jan 2001 to 7 Jan 2001 - Special issue (#2001-20)
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Topics in this special issue:
1. Scottish accents (14)
2. Greetings and Question about Endgame SPOILERS (4)
3. APOLOGY: / Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame
4. Greetings blah blah blah (fanfic SPOILERS)
5. Question to List Owner Debra (2)
6. Greetings and Question about Endgame
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Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 23:10:38 -0500
From: Toni Stewart <toni822@webtv.net>
Subject: Re: Scottish accents
Hi all,
wow, this joint is jumpin'! I'm a fairly new, usually lurking,
member of the list. I'm a little overwhelmed by the last couple of
days.
I hope no one minds if I change the subject. I just re-watched The
Samurai, 1st ep of S3. One of the eps in which Duncan has a strong
Scottish accent during the fb's. I know there are a couple of Scots on
the list and I thought I'd ask about how authentic Duncan's Scottish
accent is. Sounds fairly good to this American, but I was just curious
how it holds up against the real thing.
Bye, back to lurking now.
Toni <HL fan of strong convictions, but few words>
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Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 23:17:24 EST
From: Dotiran@aol.com
Subject: Re: Scottish accents
In a message dated 1/6/01 11:11:08 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
toni822@webtv.net writes:
<< Sounds fairly good to this American, but I was just curious
how it holds up against the real thing.
Sounds great to this American too [and I can assure you from reading past
posts that we'll get creamed for saying so *g*] but I do remember hearing AP
say on the audio tapes that he lightened up the burr a bit even in the
flashbacks as the series went on.
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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 15:33:13 +1100
From: tunnack <tunnack@ozemail.com.au>
Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame SPOILERS
HI all :-))
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Lance: <<..It still doesn't ring true with Connor's character. He was
never a quitter
until Endgame...>>
Lance surely you could only say this if we were aware of everything that
Connor had done since he became immortal. For all we know he has taken time
out before, just as Duncan has. Things change in people's lives - a gradual
grinding down of the spirit can take its toll. You're associating Connor's
self-sacrificing decision to put himself into stasis as demonstrating
weakness (your reference to him being thus portrayed as a *quitter* implies
this to me). I didn't read it that way at all. Quitting would have been
allowing someone to take his head and removing himself permanently from the
game. He chose a far more difficult and dangerous path for himself, all in
order to try and guarantee the safety of Duncan. he knew that Duncan would
never take his head and he wasn't prepared to let anyone else have it.
Whilst his spirit was ground down, his heart and soul were, IMHO, still
focussed and strong.
Re my saying that you didn't need to put Duncan down to elevate Connor. You
said <<..I wasn't aware I had done this...>>
I think that was my interpretation of your constant calling for Duncan's
death and the constant way in which you dismiss Duncan and others like
Methos as far more expendable.
Personally I wish that none of them ever died. I loved Connor and Richie
and Rebecca and Darius and Fitz and Sean etc etc...I'd be heart broken if
Duncan were ever killed and would probably join you in the Consortium!!!! So
I'm not at all putting you down for being very upset that Connor was killed
and, from your point of view, killed cheaply. But I just didn't read it
that way. I thought that the roof top scene was extraordinarily powerful
and uplifting in the way in which it dealt with love, sacrifice and finally,
for Connor, his joy at *coming home* to his Heather and his beloved
Highlands.
And remember - Duncan is going to bring them all back when he is the
ultimate Prince of the Universe :-))
Kind regards
@ Carmel Macpherson:
<<<@{}=================>>> Chief EDFWs
@ carmel@hldu.org
http://carmel.simplenet.com/
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Highlander DownUnder: An Official HL Fan Club.
http://www.hldu.org
***HLDU4: Apr 6-8, 2001. Brisbane***
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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 02:47:49 -0500
From: Marina Bailey <tmar@fast.co.za>
Subject: Re: APOLOGY: / Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame
>::::: whapping self ::::
>ZK
>(At least Marina probably won't read this thread so I'll be safe
>::: wiping sweat from brow :::)
Sorry, you're out of luck there, ZK!
Knew it would happen someday...
- Marina, cackling to self.
\\ "I think somewhere on the road to reality, ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
// you took a left turn." - Nowhere Man || R I C H I E >> \\
\\=======Marina Bailey=====tmar@fast.co.za=======||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
//====Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie====|| \\
"I'd rather be watching 'The Sentinel'... no, 'Highlander'... wait,
'Stargate SG-1' is on... Oh, hell, make it all and make it so!"
- Tarryn
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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 10:58:16 -0000
From: Jette Goldie <jettegoldie@thefreeinternet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Scottish accents
Toni opens a can of worms:
> I hope no one minds if I change the subject. I just re-watched The
> Samurai, 1st ep of S3. One of the eps in which Duncan has a strong
> Scottish accent during the fb's. I know there are a couple of Scots on
> the list and I thought I'd ask about how authentic Duncan's Scottish
> accent is. Sounds fairly good to this American, but I was just curious
> how it holds up against the real thing.
Ummmm - better than James Doohan's or the cast of Brigadoon
but in the same mould.
Jette
jettegoldie@thefreeinternet.co.uk
http://members.tripod.com/~bosslady/fanfic.html
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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 08:00:59 -0500
From: Toni Stewart <toni822@webtv.net>
Subject: Scottish accents
Jette wrote:
Toni opens a can of worms:
(....how authentic Duncan's Scottish accent is. Sounds fairly good to
this American, but I was just curious how it holds up against the real
thing.)
Ummmm - better than James Doohan's or the cast of Brigadoon but in the
same mould. <end Jette>
Oops, I thought I was picking a fairly safe topic so as not to further
fan the flames currently raging on the list. Sorry.
I'm just always amazed at how actors from the UK can seeminly so easily
pick up American accents (Vivian Leigh, Kevin Brannagh, Emma Thompson,
Gabriel Byrne, just to name a few) where the reverse does not seem to be
true for American actors (with the exception of maybe Gweneth Paltrow
who I would have sworn was Brittish, but again that is my American
opinion).
I thought maybe it would carry through for a Londoner being able to
easily pick up other UK accents. Guess not. Oh well, he makes up for
it in other ways. <veg>
Toni<who lives in the Mid Atlantic U.S. where people think they don't
have any accent at all!! LOL!
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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 08:01:27 -0500
From: Elaine Nicol <ElaineN@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Scottish accents
>> wow, this joint is jumpin'! I'm a fairly new, usually lurking,
member of the list. I'm a little overwhelmed by the last couple of
days. <<
Nah fairly quiet really.<BG>
>> I know there are a couple of Scots on
the list and I thought I'd ask about how authentic Duncan's Scottish
accent is. Sounds fairly good to this American, but I was just curious
how it holds up against the real thing. <<
Heh heh heh ---- this is where your two Scots often disagree, you see I
think Adrian's accent is not too bad at all. A Scots accent is difficult
to do even for a Scot, now I know that sounds silly but it depends where
you come from. Jette and I speak with different accents but only live
about 50 miles apart. I could probably not fake Jette's accent though I
think she could do one closer to mine. I can do not a bad take off of an
Inverness accent which is a lot softer than how I normally speak. (And no
that was not my voice in Homeland, just my body).
There are a lot of real Scottish accents around in Highlander. Dougray
Scott is certainly Scottish, the actor who played Bonnie Prince Charlie in
Take Back the Night is Scottish. The Rachel Macleod accent gets the vote
for worst Scottish accent. And do not think Sheena Easton sounds anywhere
near Scottish, even though she should speak with the same accent as I do.
One thing Jette and I are totally agreed on though is that Jim Byrnes has
got the most wonderful Scottish accent we have ever heard from a non-Scot.
Right Jette?
Elaine.
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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 14:16:58 -0000
From: Jette Goldie <jettegoldie@thefreeinternet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Scottish accents
Toni
> I'm just always amazed at how actors from the UK can seeminly so easily
> pick up American accents (Vivian Leigh, Kevin Brannagh, Emma Thompson,
> Gabriel Byrne, just to name a few) where the reverse does not seem to be
> true for American actors (with the exception of maybe Gweneth Paltrow
> who I would have sworn was Brittish, but again that is my American
> opinion).
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> I thought maybe it would carry through for a Londoner being able to
> easily pick up other UK accents. Guess not. Oh well, he makes up for
> it in other ways. <veg>
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It is - *if* they listen, and if they have actually heard a =real=
Scots accent. Unfortunately just about every Scottish actor
who makes it "on the legitimate stage" (ie outside Scotland)
tries to lose his Scots accent (with a few noteable exceptions
- and as for Sean Connery before anyone lists him - Sean has
an accent that is purely *Sean*! No other Edinburgh person
sounds like that, even =we= have to 'put on' a Sean Connery
accent!) (I live a few hundred yards from where *Thomas
Connery* was born and raised <g>)
I've heard of US folks sneering "that was the =worst= attempt
at a Scots accent I'v ever heard" when they have just heard
a =real= Scots accent for the first time! I've even been told
(by someone in Vancouver) that "you can't be Scots - you
don't sound like Scotty from Star Trek" (uh, reply "He's
CANADIAN!!") <g>
In the UK a Scots accent (real or put on) on a tv show immediately
cues the viewer that this is 1) the villain 2) a petty thief/drunk
3) a wife beater 4) the "hard nosed" and/or corrupt cop. With
that working against them, you can see why our actors tend
to lose their accent ASAP!
> Toni<who lives in the Mid Atlantic U.S. where people think they don't
> have any accent at all!! LOL!
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Heh heh - I once had a US friend inform me very seriously that
"only foreigners have _accents_ - Americans just have regional
ways of speaking". ;-)
Jette
jettegoldie@thefreeinternet.co.uk
http://members.tripod.com/~bosslady/fanfic.html
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Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 01:36:08 -0000
From: Rita Ballantyne <kilmarnock.oradea@virginnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame SPOILERS
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> > Most Duncan fans are rightist.
what do u mean? nationalist?> >
> >>>As leader of the Save Connor movement and a high ranking official
within
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> ranks of the Save Connor Consortium, I speak for all those persons who
enjoy
> membership within the organization, and those who feel Connor's death was
a
> mistake in Endgame. The Consortium consist of Save Connor, Save Connor
> east,
> The Connor Appreciation Society, The Connor Macleod Protection Force and a
> number of other satellite Connor-realted organizations. We estimate our
> numbers to be in the thousands.>>>
are u serious abt the existance of all those organisations??!!??
Rita
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Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 01:39:47 -0000
From: Rita Ballantyne <kilmarnock.oradea@virginnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Scottish accents
> I hope no one minds if I change the subject. I just re-watched The
> Samurai, 1st ep of S3. One of the eps in which Duncan has a strong
> Scottish accent during the fb's. I know there are a couple of Scots on
> the list and I thought I'd ask about how authentic Duncan's Scottish
> accent is. Sounds fairly good to this American, but I was just curious
> how it holds up against the real thing.
it's better than christophers, let's just say
Rita from Scotland.
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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 14:22:01 -0000
From: Jette Goldie <jettegoldie@thefreeinternet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Scottish accents
Elaine
> One thing Jette and I are totally agreed on though is that Jim Byrnes has
> got the most wonderful Scottish accent we have ever heard from a non-Scot.
> Right Jette?
:::::::::::::::::;THUNK!!!!!:::::::::::::::::::::
(that would be a YES! <g>)
Jette
jettegoldie@thefreeinternet.co.uk
http://members.tripod.com/~bosslady/fanfic.html
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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 14:24:56 -0000
From: Jette Goldie <jettegoldie@thefreeinternet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Scottish accents
Rita
> > I hope no one minds if I change the subject. I just re-watched The
> > Samurai, 1st ep of S3. One of the eps in which Duncan has a strong
> > Scottish accent during the fb's. I know there are a couple of Scots on
> > the list and I thought I'd ask about how authentic Duncan's Scottish
> > accent is. Sounds fairly good to this American, but I was just curious
> > how it holds up against the real thing.
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> it's better than christophers, let's just say
Not in Endgame <g> (but since you're in the UK I won't say
more or it might be a spoiler <g>)
Jette
jettegoldie@thefreeinternet.co.uk
http://members.tripod.com/~bosslady/fanfic.html
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Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 01:46:18 -0000
From: Rita Ballantyne <kilmarnock.oradea@virginnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame SPOILERS
This is fun isn't it!
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> Personally I wish that none of them ever died. I loved Connor and Richie
so u see the difference btw people's tastes, i was quite happy that they had
eliminated both Richie and connor. so, i'm left now w all i like. darius was
of neutral intrest to me, nothing one way or another. fitz was unsymphatetic
too.
I'd be heart broken if
> Duncan were ever killed and would probably join you in the Consortium!!!!
let me remind u again, that he was, also killed in fanfic by methos,
according to his own wishes.
But I just didn't read it
> that way. I thought that the roof top scene was extraordinarily powerful
> and uplifting in the way in which it dealt with love, sacrifice and
finally,
> for Connor, his joy at *coming home* to his Heather and his beloved
> Highlands.
anyone notice the possibility of Duncan just letting his sword fall on the
groud bef that moment and in that way connor wasn't decapitated?
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> And remember - Duncan is going to bring them all back when he is the
> ultimate Prince of the Universe :-))
i have a prob w that, bec if he is the one, all heads end up w him, all
souls taken by anyone. so, everyone is there in the end in fact, except the
ones killed by mortals.
Rita
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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 09:41:20 EST
From: Dotiran@aol.com
Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame SPOILERS
In a message dated 1/7/01 9:18:47 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
kilmarnock.oradea@virginnet.co.uk writes:
<< are u serious abt the existance of all those organisations??!!??
We've warned you.
None of them are real.
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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 09:41:27 EST
From: Bizarro7@aol.com
Subject: Re: Greetings blah blah blah (fanfic SPOILERS)
In a message dated 1/6/01 4:55:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,
kilmarnock.oradea@virginnet.co.uk writes:
<< And oh yes, Duncan's the best of the two Highlanders (nah nah nah nah nah)
but not the best immortal! so i join this word match too. don't take me
seriously. Methos is the best, the one! >>
minor spoiler space re fanfic series
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Hey, can I play too? Actually, if you go by the "Seeds" theory by Sandra
MacDonald and Janeen Grohsmeyer's "Hope" series that subscribes to that
theory, Cassandra is actually the most important Immortal, at least
biologically. If she hadn't been around to bonk Ramirez, neither Connor nor
Duncan would be here.
Ah, Carl Sagan, you were so right--beellions and beellions of possibilities
out there, no matter how far we must go to fetch 'em...
Leah CWPack
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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 09:43:19 EST
From: Susan Kirt <SUQKRT@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Scottish accents
In a message dated 1/7/01 8:01:17 AM, toni822@webtv.net writes:
>Jette wrote:
>
>Toni opens a can of worms:
>
>(....how authentic Duncan's Scottish accent is. Sounds fairly good to
>this American, but I was just curious how it holds up against the real
>thing.)
>
>Ummmm - better than James Doohan's or the cast of Brigadoon but in the
>same mould. <end Jette>
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>Oops, I thought I was picking a fairly safe topic so as not to further
>fan the flames currently raging on the list. Sorry.
>
>I'm just always amazed at how actors from the UK can seemingly so easily
>pick up American accents (Vivian Leigh, Kevin Brannagh, Emma Thompson,
>Gabriel Byrne, just to name a few) where the reverse does not seem to be
>true for American actors (with the exception of maybe Gweneth Paltrow
>who I would have sworn was British, but again that is my American
>opinion).
>
>I thought maybe it would carry through for a Londoner being able to
>easily pick up other UK accents. Guess not. Oh well, he makes up for
>it in other ways. <veg>
>
>Toni<who lives in the Mid Atlantic U.S. where people think they don't
>have any accent at all!! LOL!
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Toni
Eventhough the response was predictable. Your question was a refreshing
change of pace. Hang in there. Welcome.
Suz
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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 09:46:28 EST
From: Bizarro7@aol.com
Subject: Re: Question to List Owner Debra
In a message dated 1/6/01 3:15:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, kamil@mmcable.com
writes:
<< For those who don't know, each and every one of those
addresses resolve to the same IP number, aka, sock puppets
for Lance to pretend support for his cause. I spent a few
weeks on the newsgroup listening to him talk to himself
(yawn), and still have the whois records around s >>
The really funny part came when he tried to march out his sock puppets on the
Holy Ground HL Forum a couple of weeks ago. As IP addys are automatically
exposed next to the name of each posting, it was quite amusing to see the
virtually identical IP's popping up next to each of these so-called
"supporters" who had never been seen on the Forum before Lance arrived. I
find it utterly amazing that everyone who feels as he does about the
Connorsortium happen to live in the same building as he. Maybe he throws
really great block parties or something.
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Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 02:05:21 -0000
From: Rita Ballantyne <kilmarnock.oradea@virginnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Scottish accents
> Oops, I thought I was picking a fairly safe topic so as not to further
> fan the flames currently raging on the list. Sorry.
oh, don't worry, this list always argues. just the way it is.
> I'm just always amazed at how actors from the UK can seeminly so easily
> pick up American accents (Vivian Leigh, Kevin Brannagh, Emma Thompson,
> Gabriel Byrne, just to name a few) where the reverse does not seem to be
> true for American actors (with the exception of maybe Gweneth Paltrow
> who I would have sworn was Brittish, but again that is my American
> opinion).
we are better that's how! hehe. don't mean it seriously.
>
> I thought maybe it would carry through for a Londoner being able to
> easily pick up other UK accents. Guess not. Oh well, he makes up for
> it in other ways. <veg>
no, a londoner can not understand scottish, i mean lots of them!
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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 09:51:01 EST
From: "Michele L. Kirksey" <MicheleShdwfx@cs.com>
Subject: Re: Scottish accents
So, how were all the various accents in Braveheart? or other movies if you
can give examples.
MicheleK :)
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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 09:53:24 EST
From: Dotiran@aol.com
Subject: Re: Question to List Owner Debra
In a message dated 1/7/01 9:47:18 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
Bizarro7@aol.com writes:
<< I
find it utterly amazing that everyone who feels as he does about the
Connorsortium happen to live in the same building as he.
and share his very same computer :)
So generous of him.
:::::::I just love Holyground. It's so.......safe.....::::::::::
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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 10:01:47 EST
From: Bizarro7@aol.com
Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame
Clearly, Lance needs to belong to a special "True Highlander Fan" list for
himself and all his purist friends who share his belief that the "Only One"
can and must only be Connor. He will never be happy on all the other,
polluted lists full of the unpure, unwashed, unenlightened and unfocused.
Lance, please found this "THF" list and get thee hence, for your true
happiness awaits. And take the sock pupp-er, Conorsortium with you. Since
there are thousands who feel precisely as you do, you will have no
inclination to waste your time wrestling with all these fools who haven't
seen the light and never will. You'll be busy with that huge hoard who share
your outlook and will lead your cause to glory.
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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 15:05:53 -0000
From: Jette Goldie <jettegoldie@thefreeinternet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Scottish accents
Michele
> So, how were all the various accents in Braveheart? or other movies if you
> can give examples.
Well, considering a number of themWERE Scots? <g>
Actually Mel Gibson's accent was truly excellent - after about
five minutes of the movie I stopped thinking "this is an American
doing an accent" and heard a Lowland Scot from somewhere
between Edinburgh and Glasgow (as Wallace was <g>)
Jette
jettegoldie@thefreeinternet.co.uk
http://members.tripod.com/~bosslady/fanfic.html
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Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 11:40:20 -0500
From: pgannon <pgannon@OPTonline.net>
Subject: Re: Scottish accents
Sorry to bring up another "Could you please", but please let us know who you
are quoting when replying to a post. Thanks, with all the "personalities"
on the list, it gets a little confusing...
Peggie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rita Ballantyne" <kilmarnock.oradea@virginnet.co.uk>
To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: Scottish accents
> > Oops, I thought I was picking a fairly safe topic so as not to further
> > fan the flames currently raging on the list. Sorry.
>
> oh, don't worry, this list always argues. just the way it is.
>
> > I'm just always amazed at how actors from the UK can seeminly so easily
> > pick up American accents (Vivian Leigh, Kevin Brannagh, Emma Thompson,
> > Gabriel Byrne, just to name a few) where the reverse does not seem to be
> > true for American actors (with the exception of maybe Gweneth Paltrow
> > who I would have sworn was Brittish, but again that is my American
> > opinion).
>
> we are better that's how! hehe. don't mean it seriously.
> >
> > I thought maybe it would carry through for a Londoner being able to
> > easily pick up other UK accents. Guess not. Oh well, he makes up for
> > it in other ways. <veg>
>
> no, a londoner can not understand scottish, i mean lots of them!
>
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