HIGHLA-L Digest - 29 Dec 2001 to 30 Dec 2001 (#2001-329)
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There are 13 messages totalling 374 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Endgame (11)
2. The mysterous letter 'h'
3. HL Alumni in Trek X
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 09:59:42 -0500
From: Karla Julian <julkm@home.com>
Subject: Re: Endgame
Geiger wrote:
>
>
> Why? Was it "horrid" just because the reviewer panned the film, or because
> you disagreed w/ specific points the reviewer made?
No, sadly I agreed with most of what he said. But it is depressing that this
movie was such a bust that it has just about ruined Adrian's chances for a
film career. He really was the best part of it.
:-)
Karla
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 10:05:48 EST
From: Highlandmg@aol.com
Subject: Re: Endgame
Karla writes
<No, sadly I agreed with most of what he said. But it is depressing that this
<movie was such a bust that it has just about ruined Adrian's chances for a
<film career. He really was the best part of it.
I disagree here. First I like the movie. Second any movie that Adrian has
been in was a bad movie. I have all his movies and most are terrible. Blaming
Endgame for ruining Adrian chances for a film careen is wrong.. I can think
of many more Movies that he was in. I like Adrian and wishes he would select
better scripts.
Mary
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 10:13:48 -0500
From: Sandy Fields <diamonique@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Endgame
At 02:10 PM 12/29/01, Geiger wrote:
>Well, it sucked--for largely the very reasons specified in this review.
>Actually, this reviewer gets point from me for knowing about the
>Highlander universe, _watching_ this flick, & paying close enough
>attention to figure out the details--all despite the MANY factors
>conspiring to convolute.
I agree. If someone is going to give the movie a bad review (which it
deserved IMO), at least it's easier to swallow if it comes from someone who
knows what he's talking about. I still bristle when I see a reviewer
mention the "time-travelling immortals". Ugh!
>Nina (BAD editing)
Ditto. They had everything they needed to make a good movie. Not great,
but good. Then they chopped it up until it made no sense and released the
mess to the public. Another ugh!
However, even if they had done a better editing job the movie still had a
basic problem that it couldn't have overcome for HL fans... the
sanctuary. It just didn't make any sense. If it was holy ground, then it
doesn't work because the characters didn't seem to have a problem with
immortals killing on holy ground. Of course, that problem could have been
solved by adding a few lines of outrage to the dialogue. If it *wasn't*
holy ground, then it doesn't work because no sane immortal would allow
himself to be drugged and kept in such a place.
-- Sandy (wondering which version Showtime will air)(hopefully the one with
the really really really hot love scene <eg>)
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 16:55:24 -0000
From: Jette Goldie <jette@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Endgame
>any movie that Adrian has
> been in was a bad movie. I have all his movies and most are terrible.
Blaming
> Endgame for ruining Adrian chances for a film careen is wrong.. I can
think
> of many more Movies that he was in. I like Adrian and wishes he would
select
> better scripts.
<g> Poor Adrian - he just can't seem to pick a decent
movie at all - Endgame was actually better than most,
and he does *shine* in it - so in fact it might *not*
"ruin his career", because a casting director could say
"hmmm, best thing in that bad movie was that Adrian
Paul".
Jette
"Work for Peace and remain fiercely loving" - Jim Byrnes
jette@blueyonder.co.uk
http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/fanfic.html
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:54:20 -0500
From: Elaine Nicol <ElaineN@compuserve.com>
Subject: The mysterous letter 'h'
>>Elaine Nichol <<
This is a mild rant - it is born out of years of frustration please excuse
it I just have to get it off my chest before the end of the year.
<rant mode on>Okay this is just a personal gripe why oh why do people
insist that I can't spell my own name.... there is no 'h' in my name. I
spell it out to people and still it comes back with the 'h' in it. It's as
though I am being told I am stupid, I emphasise it - still the 'h' appears.
Please stop it please leave the 'h' out it's not my name.<rant mode off>
Thank you. And may everyone here have a happy peaceful and prosperous
new year.
Elaine.
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 20:38:26 +0000
From: beccaelizabeth <beccaelizabeth@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: Endgame
>from what
> we see it looks as though the bits that would have made it great finished
> up on the cutting room floor simply as a sacrifice to time constraints as
> opposed to artistic reasons.
My brother, who sorta collects movie news, says the reason some scenes
got left out was 'they found out when they were editing that the boom
was in shot, and they couldnt be bothered to go back and reshoot'.
not exactly an unimpeachable source, but depressingly plausible.
Endgame is being advertised on the ITVdigital pay per view channels, and
the ad makes it look halfway okay, so I have to keep on reminding myself
I dont want to see it... really... not enough to pay for anyways.
later
beccaelizabeth@geocities.com
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Equal Proportion
Reverend beccaelizabeth, ordained minister in the Universal Life Church
My halo's still in the shop 'cause it got dented from the time I
tried to use it as a chakram. ;-)
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:04:06 -0800
From: Ith <ithildin@ondragonswing.com>
Subject: HL Alumni in Trek X
Perlman to Play 'Star Trek' Villain
By Ann Donahue
HOLLYWOOD (Variety) - ``Star Trek: Nemesis,'' the 10th installment in the
sci-fi film franchise, has landed a beastly new villain, with Ron Perlman
signing on to play the Romulan Viceroy.
Perlman, best known for his TV work on ``Beauty and the Beast,'' also
recently appeared in the recent WWII movie ``Enemy at the Gates.''
Perlman joins the reunion cast of TV's ``Star Trek: The Next Generation,''
including Patrick Stewart and Jonathan Frakes, in their fourth film. It is
scheduled for a November 2002 release via Paramount Pictures.
In the film, the crew of the Enterprise is diverted to the planet Romulus
when the longtime Federation foes signal they are willing to begin peace
negotiations. Once Picard and the gang arrive, they uncover a threat to Earth.
``Nemesis'' is produced by Rick Berman and directed by Stuart Baird
(''Executive Decision''). John Logan (''Gladiator'') and Berman penned the
script.
-=- Denise = ithildin@ondragonswing.com = http://ondragonswing.com
-=- Vampires, Floth demons.... Do you know what is
-=- really, really evil? Tequila. ~ Cordelia ~ 'Angel'
-=- Bloodties Repository http://ondragonswing.com/tales/bloodties.htm
-=- Star Trek:The First Generation http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ST_FirstGen
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 16:57:03 -0500
From: Elaine Nicol <ElaineN@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Endgame
>> I still bristle when I see a reviewer
mention the "time-travelling immortals". Ugh! <<
I used to as well until I watched the director's cut of 2 now I know where
they got that from, it's what 2 makes them out to be so I have to take back
all the nasty things I said about reviewers who talked about that.
Elaine.
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:30:45 EST
From: Dotiran@aol.com
Subject: Re: Endgame
In a message dated 12/30/2001 3:41:02 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
beccaelizabeth@geocities.com writes:
> My brother, who sorta collects movie news, says the reason some scenes
> got left out was 'they found out when they were editing that the boom
> was in shot, and they couldnt be bothered to go back and reshoot'.
> not exactly an unimpeachable source, but depressingly plausible
perhaps, although [as Big John Bierly pointed out to us on Holyground forum,
and I quote him] on the DVD of Endgame ,there are uncut scenes on the second
disc that look just fine and *should*/could have been included to round out
the story line, some of them were for example, "in the love scene, before it
happens Faith comes in and lies down on the bed beside Duncan and nuzzles her
face against his shoulder. ...........And when Duncan and Connor fight the
highwaymen, Adrian walks past F. Braun and they give each other a little nod,
[and MOST upsetting of all,since it is brilliant and gives an emotion totally
missing from the hatcheted ending of the movie release,]...... "the morning
after killing Connor, Duncan is still on the roof, still on his knees, in the
same position he'd been in all night. Heartbreaking. "
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 19:52:33 -0500
From: Sandy Fields <diamonique@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Endgame
At 03:38 PM 12/30/01, beccaelizabeth wrote:
>My brother, who sorta collects movie news, says the reason some scenes
>got left out was 'they found out when they were editing that the boom
>was in shot, and they couldnt be bothered to go back and reshoot'.
>not exactly an unimpeachable source, but depressingly plausible.
Many of those scenes are in the 'producers cut', and I don't recall seeing
a boom.
>Endgame is being advertised on the ITVdigital pay per view channels, and
>the ad makes it look halfway okay, so I have to keep on reminding myself
>I dont want to see it... really... not enough to pay for anyways.
I noticed one of the ads for the Showtime airing yesterday. It showed all
that hocus pocus stuff that was in the trailers and never made it to the
movie. If that crap shows up in the movie this time, well... it wouldn't
surprise me a bit.
-- Sandy
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 19:58:47 EST
From: Dotiran@aol.com
Subject: Re: Endgame
In a message dated 12/30/2001 7:53:34 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
diamonique@earthlink.net writes:
> . If that crap shows up in the movie this time, well... it wouldn't
> surprise me a bit.
>
>
LOL it won't, don't worry. It was NEVER shot for the movie, never intended
for the movie, the director didn't even know it had been shot. It was never
more than a deceptive attempt by Mirimax/Dimension to make the trailer appeal
to the "heavy on the FX" demographic. Trailer only lying footage. [thank God]
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 18:12:38 -0700
From: Jody Anderson <toosey@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Endgame
Hopefully, you are right (like I don't have it on DVD already and can wat=
ch it whenever I want) Why is it that even though I own Endgame on DVD, I=
am looking forward to it being shown on Showtime?
Jody
----- Original Message -----
From: Sandy Fields
-- Sandy (wondering which version Showtime will air)(hopefully the one wi=
th
the really really really hot love scene <eg>)
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 20:58:04 -0500
From: Sandy Fields <diamonique@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Endgame
At 07:58 PM 12/30/01, Dotiran@aol.com wrote:
>LOL it won't, don't worry. It was NEVER shot for the movie, never intended
>for the movie, the director didn't even know it had been shot. It was never
>more than a deceptive attempt by Mirimax/Dimension to make the trailer
>appeal to the "heavy on the FX" demographic. Trailer only lying footage.
>[thank God]
But ya see... this is what scares me. We've been told that this stuff was
never intended for the movie and that the director didn't know it had been
shot. We were also told that those missing scenes were cut out because
there was a boom showing in them. Well many of us have seen those scenes,
and there is no boom.
I don't trust anything they say anymore.
I still believe those crazy scenes were shot for the movie. Although
they're stupid, they would have backed up the whole "big bad Kell"
sentiment that the movie tried to have. They would have shown Kell doing
super-duper stuff which would justify his reputation. So yeah... I think
those hocus pocus scenes were filmed for the movie, and somebody had the
good sense to cut them out.
I just wish that same someone had stopped cutting before they ruined the
whole movie.
-- Sandy
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