HIGHLA-L Digest - 30 Dec 2001 to 31 Dec 2001 (#2001-330)
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There are 16 messages totalling 454 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Endgame (12)
2. The mysterous letter 'h' (3)
3. Reunion Charity Update
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:09:48 EST
From: Dotiran@aol.com
Subject: Re: Endgame
In a message dated 12/30/2001 8:59:35 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
diamonique@earthlink.net writes:
> I think
> those hocus pocus scenes were filmed for the movie
if they were it just sadly deepens our understanding of the rift between
Mirimax and the director because he did not film them and never intended them
to be in *his* movie, nor were they scripted.
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 18:30:34 -1000
From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net>
Subject: Re: Endgame
Jette--
> Endgame was actually better than most,
> and he does *shine* in it
Well, I agree w/ the 2nd part--AP shines in Endgame. But that's true of ALL
his flicks--he's the best thing in them & usually the ONLY thing worth
watching. The other thing true of all his flicks is that they're duds,
critically & at the box office. An unfortunate result of his (&/or his
people's) awesome ability to pick loser films is that generally speaking the
viewing public has no clue who the hell he is. And, he's been knocking
around quite a while now.
And, his currently being stuck on a genre syndie that's mired at the
bottom-rung of the ratings & films in Canada (where he remains out of
sight/mind of Hollywood casting folks) probably just maintains this
situation. He's got this big deal for projects w/ Lions Gate, but I, for
one, am not at all impressed w/ Lions Gate--not by their entertainment
products or their promotional efforts.
Sandy--
>>>They had everything they needed to make a good movie. Not great,
but good. Then they chopped it up until it made no sense and released the
mess to the public. Another ugh!
However, even if they had done a better editing job>>>
Well, DPP themselves proved that the excuses made early on about editing
being rushed & about being pressured by Miramax as to content really were
crap. (And, of course, DPP made the SAME whiny excuses about HL1, & HL2,
AND HL3. AND about HL:TS season 6. AND about Raven.) The Producers' Cut
of Endgame was severely flawed. They had several months to get things
right, AND they had control. Despite fixing a few things, DPP's own cut was
no gem; it even had a few "new" goofs. But, it made DPP some money, because
of course a lot of fans bought the Producers' Cut, HOPING for the movie we
were promised--promised for several YEARS.
And now DPP are threatening to do another HL film, apparently w/o AP or CL.
Really, there ought to be a law. If, after over 15 years w/ the Highlander
franchise, DPP can't get together the bucks, clout & sense to make a decent
movie--STOP, PLEASE! Having _Duncan_ curse immortality is great drama;
having _the FANS_ curse it is just sad.
Nina
geiger@maui.net
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:42:09 -0500
From: Sandy Fields <diamonique@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Endgame
At 11:30 PM 12/30/01, Geiger wrote:
>Well, DPP themselves proved that the excuses made early on about editing
>being rushed & about being pressured by Miramax as to content really were
>crap.
Yep. That's what I mean. I just don't believe anything they say anymore.
The purposely create garbage and then come up with excuses that they think
we're all stupid enough to believe.
>And now DPP are threatening to do another HL film,
oh good heavenly lord!
>apparently w/o AP or CL. Really, there ought to be a law. If, after over
>15 years w/ the Highlander franchise, DPP can't get together the bucks,
>clout & sense to make a decent movie--STOP, PLEASE!
Ugh! Ya got that right! They need to stop!
-- Sandy
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 19:46:58 -0700
From: Barbara Osgood Designs <hairbows@northerntel.net>
Subject: Re: Endgame
At 12/30/2001 06:12 PM -0700, Jody Anderson wrote:
>Hopefully, you are right (like I don't have it on DVD already and can
>watch it whenever I want) Why is it that even though I own Endgame on DVD,
>I am looking forward to it being shown on Showtime?
I am assuming the Showtime version will be the same as the pay-per-view
version, which I think people here said was a couple minutes longer than
the theatrical version, but Faith was still dead, and THAT is what I'm
looking forward to!
Barbara
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Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 08:14:46 +0200
From: Marina Bailey <fdd-tmar@netactive.co.za>
Subject: Re: The mysterous letter 'h'
Elaine wrote:
><rant mode on>Okay this is just a personal gripe why oh why do people
>insist that I can't spell my own name.... there is no 'h' in my name. I
>spell it out to people and still it comes back with the 'h' in it. It's as
>though I am being told I am stupid, I emphasise it - still the 'h' appears.
> Please stop it please leave the 'h' out it's not my name.<rant mode off>
Just whap people who do that. I whapped people who put a 't' in
Richie's name for years, and it appears to have worked. (Except
for ZK, who misspells it because she *likes* being whapped. <g>)
- Marina.
\\ "You must work and work and work until ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
// you're so famous you can never leave || R I C H I E >> \\
\\ the house." - John Waters ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
//==Marina Bailey===fdd-tmar@netactive.co.za==|| \\
\\===========Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie=============//
"The captain's on drugs and the first officer is a complete
lunatic... Sounds about right for Star Trek." - My brother,
discussing the DS9 episode "Valiant"
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Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 06:55:10 +0000
From: John Mosby <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Endgame
Pardon me for bringing this up again, but I remember a few people saying they would go out and buy lots of cinema tickets for Endgame, NOT because they thought Endgame was any good, but simply to secure the $ for D/P, Miramax et al to have another go.
DPP can be held responsible for an awful lot, but with that brand of fan logic/blind loyalty, I expect the next Highlander movie to be called Dude, Where's My Katana.
Happy 2002!
John
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Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 07:32:41 -0500
From: Elaine Nicol <ElaineN@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: The mysterous letter 'h'
>> Just whap people who do that. I whapped people who put a 't' in
Richie's name for years, and it appears to have worked. (Except
for ZK, who misspells it because she *likes* being whapped. <g>) <<
Oh that one annoys me as well. Of course so do some of the spellings of
McLeod's name. I don't mind MacLeod/McLeod/Mcleod/Macleod but I see red
over Mcloud/Macloud...<grrrrrr>.
Actually after a while you get fed up whapping people too many of them
enjoy it.<EG>
Elaine.
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Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:22:42 -0500
From: Karla Julian <julkm@home.com>
Subject: Re: Endgame
Barbara Osgood Designs wrote:
>
> I am assuming the Showtime version will be the same as the pay-per-view
> version, which I think people here said was a couple minutes longer than
> the theatrical version, but Faith was still dead, and THAT is what I'm
> looking forward to!
I just checked out the Showtime site, and Endgame is listed as the producer's
cut and is 1hour and 40 minutes. So I'm assuming it is the same one that aired
on PPV which I saw. It was the exact one that was shown in the movie theaters.
:-)
Karla
>
>
> Barbara
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Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:39:07 -0500
From: Sandy Fields <diamonique@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Endgame
At 01:22 PM 12/31/2001 -0500, Karla Julian wrote:
>I just checked out the Showtime site, and Endgame is listed as the
>producer's cut and is 1hour and 40 minutes. So I'm assuming it is the same
>one that aired on PPV which I saw. It was the exact one that was shown in
>the movie theaters.
I thought the producers cut is different than the one shown in the theaters.
-- Sandy
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Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:29:08 EST
From: Dotiran@aol.com
Subject: Re: Endgame
In a message dated 12/31/2001 1:38:34 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
diamonique@earthlink.net writes:
> I thought the producers cut is different than the one shown in the theaters.
>
> -- Sandy
>
It is. The producers cut has the different ending for Faith :)
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Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:50:33 -0800
From: Lynn <lloschin@sprynet.com>
Subject: Reunion Charity Update
Greetings,
I've finally caught up on Reunion's paperwork, and I'm happy to report
that I'll be sending a check for $3500.00 to the American Red Cross on
Wednesday.
Reunion's total charity donations to date are now $13,500.00. We owe
thanks to many people for helping to make this possible -- in
particular all of the auction donors and participants, but we owe
special thanks to Kerry Glover for her amazing work on the auctions,
which really made the difference between a financially successful
convention and one in debt.
A very happy new year to you all!
Lynn
PS -- Yes, we still have souvenir programs available! Visit
http://reunioncon.org
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Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:59:49 -0700
From: Barbara Osgood Designs <hairbows@northerntel.net>
Subject: Re: Endgame
At 12/31/2001 02:29 PM -0500, Dotiran@aol.com wrote:
>It is. The producers cut has the different ending for Faith :)
That's the producers cuts for the DVD, in which she survives both
times. The producers cut for PPV has Faith dying at the end as in the
theatrical version. And then of course, there is the bootleg copy which I
haven't seen. (Anyone who ISN'T confused, stand up and take a bow.)
At least, that's what the folks who watched it on PPV said, and I was going
to order and tape it for that very reason. Just didn't get around to it in
time. I think they might have taken out "Sanctuary" in the PPV cut, but I
really can't remember the details that were posted.
Barbara
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Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:58:06 -0500
From: Trilby <trilby23@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: The mysterous letter 'h'
From: Elaine Nicol <ElaineN@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: The mysterous letter 'h'
> Oh that one annoys me as well. Of course so do some of the spellings of
> McLeod's name. I don't mind MacLeod/McLeod/Mcleod/Macleod but I see red
> over Mcloud/Macloud...<grrrrrr>.
I worked for a while with someone whose last name was spelled
"McLeod", and when HL came along, I had a *terrible* time
remembering that Duncan's name is different. *sigh*
------------ Trilby
"Let no man pull you so low as to hate him." Martin Luther King 9/4/56
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Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 19:01:39 -0500
From: Karla Julian <julkm@home.com>
Subject: Re: Endgame
Barbara Osgood Designs wrote:
>
> At least, that's what the folks who watched it on PPV said, and I was going
> to order and tape it for that very reason. Just didn't get around to it in
> time. I think they might have taken out "Sanctuary" in the PPV cut, but I
> really can't remember the details that were posted.
No they didn't. I saw the PPV version and it was the same one that aired in the
theater.
:-)
Karla
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:09:05 -0500
From: Sandy Fields <diamonique@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Endgame
At 07:01 PM 12/31/01, Karla Julian wrote:
>No they didn't. I saw the PPV version and it was the same one that aired
>in the theater.
OK. Then that wasn't the producer's cut. Thanks for clearing it up for us.
-- Sandy
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Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:32:27 -1000
From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net>
Subject: Re: Endgame
Karla--
> I just checked out the Showtime site, and Endgame is listed as the
producer's
> cut and is 1hour and 40 minutes. So I'm assuming it is the same one that
aired
> on PPV which I saw. It was the exact one that was shown in the movie
theaters.
But, the theater version was NOT the Producers' Cut. When EG ran on PPV,
people who watched it posted that it was the _theater_ version. I'm betting
all that's _ever_ seen on PPV or cable is the theater version. Why should
Miramax distribute the Producers' Cut? (For that matter, do the Director's
Cuts of HL1, 2 or 3 show up TV? Not that I recall.) Of course, in
Endgame's case, the theater version was never released on video/DVD--just
the P Cut & the in-progress version. Weird.
The screw-ups as to Endgame extend right through details like running time.
The theater release (Kate apparently BH'd by Kell during his Last Supper, w/
the final scene being lone DM at Connor's grave, clad in his Peace shirt &
posturing before a horrid matte painting of Scotland) ran to 89 minutes
(bare minimum for a feature, downright criminal for a film as complex as
this one & in view of usable footage we KNOW existed, & nearly guaranteed to
make fan-type viewers feel cheated when the end credits roll).
The VHS box for the Producers' Cut (the final scene being Kate & her head's
togetherness at the Millennium Dome surprising DM to such an extent he is
struck dumb, except for when someone else's voice blurts briefly from his
mouth) touts that it runs 140 minutes--& it lies; it runs at 100 minutes,
which meshes w/ the stated 12 minutes of extra footage it has, added to the
theater version's 89 minutes. (I've no clue about running time of the _DVD_
Producers' Cut, w/ all its extras, but surely it would total over 140
minutes.)
John--
>>>Pardon me for bringing this up again, but I remember a few people saying
they would go out and buy lots of cinema tickets for Endgame, NOT because
they thought Endgame was any good, but simply to secure the $ for D/P,
Miramax et al to have another go.>>>
Which is why the expression "one born every minute" never goes out of style.
Anyway, if HL5 comes to be, we'll know who to blame.
Dorothy--
>>>understanding of the rift between Mirimax and the director because he did
not
film them and never intended them to be in *his* movie>>>
I'm not championing the silly stuff shown only in the trailers, but, from
what I've read of Doug A's comments, *his* movie wasn't particularly a
_Highlander_ film; really, he didn't seem to "get" much of the HL universe.
That's why I don't care that there are no plans for a Director's Cut of
Endgame. That, & the fact I'm tired of funding DPP's sorry excuses for
screwing up my Highlander.
Nina
geiger@maui.net
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