HIGHLA-L Digest - 28 Dec 2001 to 29 Dec 2001 (#2001-328)

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      Topics of the day:
      
        1. Endgame (5)
      
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      Date:    Sat, 29 Dec 2001 09:10:39 -0500
      From:    Karla Julian <julkm@home.com>
      Subject: Endgame
      
      Seems they are still beating up on the movie. I was surprised to see
      this review on the front page of the Cox.com Simply Connecticut page.
      When I saw Highlander Endgame, I was intrigued enough to click on it. I
      was sorry I did after reading this horrid review. Read on if you dare.
      :-)
      Karla
      
      
      
      See What's New From Cox
      
        Highlander: Endgame
                                Main movies page
      
                                Verdict: 'Highlander' series can't be killed
      by
                                normal means.
      
                                Details: Starring Christopher Lambert and
      Adrian Paul. Rated R for violence.
      
                                Review: At one point the young immortal looks
      up at his older immortal mentor and asks,
                                "Connor, what the hell is going on?"
      
                                People who pay to see Highlander: Endgame
      probably will be asking one another the same question. The fourth movie
      in the series that began with Highlander in 1986 ends essentially the
                                same way as the first three movies.
      
                                But there are so many confusing turns, plot
      deadends, red herrings, interminable flashbacks
                                and special-effects-muddled fight scenes along
      the way that you'll need a color-coded flow
                                chart to follow the story to its familiar
      climax.
      
                                Highlander: Endgame is not a continuation of a
      story line begun with Highlander and advanced
                                in its two movie sequels. In fact, the
      sequels--the atrocious Highlander II: The Quickening from
                                1991 and the boring Highlander: The Final
      Dimension from 1994--are completely ignored.
      
                                Endgame instead melds the story line from the
      original movie with the plots from the Highlander
                                television series that ran from 1993 to 1999.
      
                                The Highlander mythology involves a group of
      immortal beings who have been living among
                                humans for thousands of years. They can't be
      killed by normal means, but they duel with one
                                another with swords and if one immortal cuts
      off the head of the other, the winner gains the
                                strength and knowledge of the loser.
      
                                Ultimately, according to the Highlander
      legend, "There can be only one," and the last immortal
                                standing wins the Prize, which is never
      explained.
      
                                Endgame begins with the immortal hero of the
      first movie, Connor MacLeod (Christopher
                                Lambert), dropping out of sight after a woman
      he loves is killed in an explosion. Constantly
                                outliving his loved ones has finally broken
      Connor's will, and he retires to the Sanctuary where
                                worn-out immortals are held in drug-induced
      suspended animation.
      
                                A group of renegade immortals led by
      arch-villain Jacob Kell (Bruce Payne) invades the
                                Sanctuary and kills the dormant immortals.
      
                                Duncan MacLeod (Adrian Paul), the hero of the
      Highlander television series, refuses to believe
                                his old friend Connor was killed in the
      attack. But when Duncan starts investigating Connor's
                                whereabouts, he's attacked by Kell and his
      henchmen.
      
                                There are subplots about a woman Duncan once
      loved who now hates him, an honorable Asian
                                warrior now enslaved to Kell, a group of
      mortal "Watchers" who keep tabs on the endless
                                immortal duels, a priest who tries to burn
      Connor's mother at the stake and lots of other
                                reasons why everybody wants to cut everybody
      else's head off.
      
                                But, of course, it all comes down to the
      bravest, most resourceful good guy facing off against
                                the strongest, most depraved bad guy in a
      fight to the death.
      
                                The first Highlander was not a particularly
      good movie, but it had style and was based on an
                                interesting idea.
      
                                Highlander: Endgame starts promisingly with
      magnificent footage, shot in Romania, of Connor
                                MacLeod riding through hills representing
      Scotland, where he lived his first lifetime.
      
                                But it quickly goes astray with fight scenes
      laden with too many bullets, too many explosions,
                                too many sparks, lightning bolts and weird
      lights--and too many impalings. The martial-arts
                                choreography is rendered unimpressive by the
      fact camera tricks were obviously used to speed
                                up the action.
      
                                The middle of the movie drags along with the
      characters stopping every five minutes to explain
                                the rules of the immortal game and why some
      characters follow the rules while others don't.
      
                                And then it ends, as Highlander stories
      generally do, with a beheading.
      
                                The third Highlander movie was subtitled Final
      Dimension, and this one is subtitled Endgame,
                                but don't expect it to be over.
      
                                There can be only one immortal, and apparently
      a few are still kicking.
      
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      Date:    Sat, 29 Dec 2001 09:10:39 -1000
      From:    Geiger <geiger@maui.net>
      Subject: Re: Endgame
      
      Karla wrote--
      
      > Seems they are still beating up on the movie.
      
      Well, it sucked--for largely the very reasons specified in this review.
      Actually, this reviewer gets point from me for knowing about the Highlander
      universe, _watching_ this flick, & paying close enough attention to figure
      out the details--all despite the MANY factors conspiring to convolute.
      
      > I was intrigued enough to click on it. I was sorry I did after reading
      this horrid review
      
      Why?  Was it "horrid" just because the reviewer panned the film, or because
      you disagreed w/ specific points the reviewer made?
      
      Nina (BAD editing)
      geiger@maui.net
      
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      Date:    Sat, 29 Dec 2001 20:29:50 +0000
      From:    John Mosby <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
      Subject: Re: Endgame
      
      Apart from a few slip-ups in accuracy, the reviewer has at least tried to give a full picture of what they thought. As I've said in the past, a film reviewer may be able to write a 'better' review if he's familiar with other facets of a frachise, but essentially his/her job is to judge the hour/two hour   that he views on the day. Most reviews I saw of Endgame, were fair if not pleasant reading.
      
      A great movie doesn't need baggage or familiarity. Lord of the Rings is a (trilogy of) books that I haven't picked up in twenty years. That actually allowed some ability to judge the film, rather than see it strictly as an adaptation. Sometimes that's good, sometimes not.
      
      I found Highlander: Endgame, as we've discussed for over a year, to be a film that had some solid foundations and ideas but was scuppered by a confusing plot, appalling inconsistent editing and a blatantly misleading advertsing campaign. It did extremely bad opening business in a week when a half decent film should have excelled.
      
      The reviewer makes some valid comments, in some cases being kind. I love Highlander and it has brought me many happy hours, friends and moments of joy. Endgame wasn't one of them and my review was hardly more positive...and I KNOW the franchise inside-out. But I think the debates we've had here are maybe one good thing to come out of it. Whether we agree or disagree on some of the fundenmental choices made by those who own the Highlander franchise....it endures in us.
      
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      Date:    Sat, 29 Dec 2001 16:09:53 -0500
      From:    Elaine Nicol <ElaineN@compuserve.com>
      Subject: Re: Endgame
      
      >> Seems they are still beating up on the movie. I was surprised to see
      this review on the front page of the Cox.com Simply Connecticut page.
      When I saw Highlander Endgame, I was intrigued enough to click on it. I
      was sorry I did after reading this horrid review. Read on if you dare. <<
      
      I did read on, and at least the person who wrote this has watched the
      movies and the TV and has some knowledge of the immortals and the
      Highlander universe, so I think they are entitled to their opinion.
      
      Personally I think Endgame is the poorest of all the movies, but it wasn't
      that bad but then I am biased and declare that from the outset.  The movie
      did Adrian no favours it could have been a great movie, in fact from what
      we see it looks as though the bits that would have made it great finished
      up on the cutting room floor simply as a sacrifice to time constraints as
      opposed to artistic reasons.
      
      I have to agree about too many bullets and explosions and yes to someone
      who doesn't know Highlander inside out the way we do it would be confusing,
      I know people who do know it well who thought it was confusing.
      
      What would I have liked - cut Kate out that relationship was a waste of
      time and the only real purpose it seemed to serve was to give a sex scene.
      
      
      The scene with Connor's mother was important and it should have been made
      clearer about Kell's involvement there.  Many people I know had a problem
      with that.
      
      Methos should have been in there a little more and explained more.
      Something should have been done to explain the Joe and Methos relationship
      more.
      
      I'm certain there are any number of us here who could have done better or
      knows where it could have been better.  I'm also betting that those
      responsible for it know exactly what we know and are every bit as annoyed
      as we are.
      
      I've just watched the director's cut of the second one now just don't get
      me started on that.  I thought the original was bad.  ;-/
      
      Elaine.
      
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      Date:    Sat, 29 Dec 2001 19:33:46 -0500
      From:    Miracle <kad82987@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu>
      Subject: Re: Endgame
      
      someone wrote:
      > When I saw Highlander Endgame, I was intrigued enough to click on it. I
      > was sorry I did after reading this horrid review. Read on if you dare. <<
      
      If someone still has the URL handy, could they please e-mail it me
      OFFLIST, so we don't clog the list up? Danke.
      
      And seeing as how I missed the discussion of HL4 the first time around,
      I'm going to jump in this time.
      
      Elaine Nichol wrote:
      > Personally I think Endgame is the poorest of all the movies
      
      I dunno...HL2, Cheesy Zeist Version(tm) may still have that dubious
      distinction. However, there were fewer plot holes. Just general bad plot.
      :)
      
      > in fact from what we see it looks as though the bits that would have
      > made it great finished up on the cutting room floor simply as a
      > sacrifice to time constraints as opposed to artistic reasons.
      
      In writing workshops, I see authors cutting things that may not have been
      relevant to the plot, but would have helped the plot make more sense. I
      haven't really seen any of this cutting room material, but it seems to me
      this could be some of what was missing.
      
      I think what the film suffered from overall was flat characters. *We* all
      know the depth these characters have. I don't think it came out in the
      movie. Methos and Joe seemed almost extraneous. ("Hi, I'm Methos. I
      explain a few things, then I leave." "I'm Joe. I drive the car.")
      
      > I know people who do know it well who thought it was confusing.
      
      ::raises hand::
      
      But I did like it. Partially I think it was the experience (I went with
      some very good friends, all HL fans). It was nice to see Connor again. The
      sword-work was excellent.
      
      > I've just watched the director's cut of the second one now just don't get
      > me started on that.  I thought the original was bad.  ;-/
      
      I've actually come to love Cheesy Zeist Version (tm) and here's how you
      all can too. Get a bunch of friends, lots of sugar and/or caffeine, and
      have your own Mystery Science Theatre 3000 version!!
      
              --Miracle (also, if you can find the fan MST3K--at cons and
      such--it's worth a look)
      
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