HIGHLA-L Digest - 9 Jan 2004 to 10 Jan 2004 - Special issue (#2004-11)
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Topics in this special issue:
1. Deep Impacting (14)
2. Season Two DVD set commentary: An Eye for an Eye
3. Commercial promotion (Was Re: Deep Impacting)
4. Commercial promotion (2)
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 19:10:11 -0800
From: Parisrose <parisrose@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Deep Impacting
>At 07:51 PM 1/9/2004, a.j.mosby wrote:
>>Should the *majority* of people on this List feel that I shouldn't alert
>>it to when Impact or Dreamwatch are next breaking Highlander news (or how
>>to subsequently get hold of such issues) I'm quite happy to never mention
>>it again.
>
After all these years, nothing brings a bigger grin than seeing something new related to HL. Even vaguely related. I even got all excited when the NY Times did a big piece on the project that was done along the Seine 2 years agoto bring in sand and palm trees. So yes, John, please continue to keep us updated.
IMHO that particular pix of AP has been overused. I like the idea of using the barge as a symbol - would know that pretty boat anywhere!
Parisrose
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 22:16:16 EST
From: Dotiran@aol.com
Subject: Re: Deep Impacting
In a message dated 1/9/2004 7:52:42 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
a.j.mosby@btinternet.com writes:
> Should the *majority* of people on this List feel that I shouldn't alert
> it
> to when Impact or Dreamwatch are next breaking Highlander news (or how to
> subsequently get hold of such issues) I'm quite happy to never mention it
> again.
>
Don't you dare. If you don't tell us and I miss something, the completist in
me will be a most unhappy camper.
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 22:21:10 EST
From: Dotiran@aol.com
Subject: Re: Deep Impacting
>>>Much like we won't be seeing AP in the mini-series.=A0
Wouldn't it be funny if, [as in HL:TS episode 1 where Connor hands off to=20
Duncan,], the mini series has Duncan hand off to......whomsoever ! That migh=
t=20
just make this conversation moot. Then again, since the script hasn't been=20
finalized yet, and no casting has been done, we can't speculate.=20
>>>I don't expect AP to show up. Like CL before him, he may now to "too=20
expensive :)"
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 14:39:16 +1100
From: Carmel Macpherson <tunnack@webone.com.au>
Subject: Re: Deep Impacting
Hi all
John, I and I'm sure 99.99999999999999% of others on this list deeply
appreciate all that you have done and continue to do to keep Highlander *out
there*. Most fans would kill to have a working journalist and editor of a
quality magazine take the time to explore opportunities to present either
breaking news about their favourite show or to devote pages of the magazine
to discussion about its strengths and weaknesses. As Mick Jagger said long
ago - what's important is that they're talking about you.
Your only mistake is to continue this fruitless dialog with the list's
resident nay-sayer and harbinger of doom and gloom. Duncan once advised a
young Linda Plager to take a decision about how she wanted to spend her
passion and her life - capturing the light of life or the the cold emptiness
of the dark. A certain person seems to derive enormous pleasure when her
whines and moans snag someone who actually thinks that an intelligent dialog
is possible. Believe me - it isn't.
Take my advice: don't acknowledge her. Don't respond. Don't feed her
misery.
Ignore...
Ignore...
Send her posts straight to the DELETED folder. Do not pass GO. Do not
collect $200.....it will be the cheapest investment in your continuing
mental and emotional health that you could ever make.
Kind regards
@ Carmel Macpherson
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@ carmel@hldu.org
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 23:12:36 -0500
From: Wendy Tillis <immortals_incorporated@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Deep Impacting
John says:
>Should the *majority* of people on this List feel that I shouldn't alert
>it to when Impact or Dreamwatch are next breaking Highlander news (or how to
>subsequently get hold of such issues) I'm quite happy to never mention it
>again.
Followed by:
Sandy (Hi Sandy!)
>I appreciate you letting us know about upcoming articles, John. Please
>don't stop.
Rachel:
>I agree! I'm always interested in any HL news also, John.
Dotiran:
>Don't you dare. If you don't tell us and I miss something, the completist
> in me will be a most unhappy camper.
Mary:
>I for one want to hear about news any news regarding Highlander. Be it a
>magazine, Convention, (Workshop I hope some people from this list are
>planning to attend this One of a kind event. )
Annie:
>I'm always happy to hear about coverage of my favorite shows in magazines,
>be it Highlander or Stargate or even Blakes 7 (going way back now).
and:
Parisrose:
>After all these years, nothing brings a bigger grin than seeing something new related to HL. Even vaguely related.
> I even got all excited when the NY Times did a big piece on the project that was done along the Seine 2 years
> ago to bring in sand and palm trees. So yes, John, please continue to keep us updated.
Wow..this does seem like old times!
Two individuals butt heads for a while, one threatens to take their marbles and go home while also seeking public support for their "side" of the issue, and a dozen people leap from the woodwork to assure the person that the List can't possibly survive without them. Which is, I always assume, the point of announcing the imminent withdrawal of one's List presence, information, private brand of crazy. All that is missing is a suggestion that one party has hundreds of secret supporters too frightened to post in their own names post<eg>
I too like hearing about possible up-coming HL activities or articles. (I *prefer* to actually receive the information- rather than be asked to *buy* it from a fellow.) The "problem" is that John's alert about the article was certain to spark a discussion about the article- whether or not anyone (except John) had actually read it. No matter what he said..no matter whose picture was on the cover...the mere mention of it (along with teases about a possible mini-series ) was guaranteed to set off a round of speculation (spiralling into the inevitable acrimony and back-biting I so love about this List <EFG>) John can't (won't) tell us what the article says..many Listees have no way to find out since Impact is not an easy find everywhere ... so those who can't read the article are bound to get a little pissy about the whole thing.
Is there some "statute of limitations" after which the article can become "public"? When the next new issue of Impact is published, can we *then* hear what was in the HL article? Or will it forever remain a mystery to the majority of us (all true Highlander fans) who had no luck finding a copy to buy? John says the easiest way to know whether the picture on the cover is misleading or not is to read the article. Love to...if I could. Since I can't..I am left to imagine that the article relates an in-depth interview with Philip John Taylor on his new job writing HL:TNG (cast to be named later).
Wendy( 10 points to the first person to identify the first -only?- episode written by Philip John Taylor.)(Without looking him up)(Honor system in effect)
Immortals Inc.
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"Weasels for Eternity"
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 23:26:04 EST
From: Highlandmg@aol.com
Subject: Re: Deep Impacting
Hi
John Philip Taylor wrote Free Fall
Mary
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 23:30:53 EST
From: Ashton7@aol.com
Subject: Re: Deep Impacting
In a message dated 1/9/2004 11:14:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
immortals_incorporated@cox.net writes:
> Is there some "statute of limitations" after which the article can become
> "public"? When the next new issue of Impact is published, can we *then* hear
> what was in the HL article? Or will it forever remain a mystery to the
> majority of us (all true Highlander fans) who had no luck finding a copy to buy?
I'm sure people will be talking about some of the details of the article once
they've read it.
Annie
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 23:31:03 EST
From: Highlandmg@aol.com
Subject: Re: Deep Impacting
Hi
John Philip Taylor also wrote
For Tomorrow We Die
Lady and The Tiger
Epitaph For Tommy
Mary
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 12:08:07 -0000
From: "a.j.mosby" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Deep Impacting
Wendy:
> Wow..this does seem like old times!
>
> Two individuals butt heads for a while, one threatens to take their
marbles and go home while also seeking public support for their "side" of
the issue, and a dozen people leap from the woodwork to assure the person
that the List can't possibly survive without them. Which is, I always
assume, the point of announcing the imminent withdrawal of one's List
presence, information, private brand of crazy. All that is missing is a
suggestion that one party has hundreds of secret supporters too frightened
to post in their own names post<eg>
:) Surely not!
Actually Wendy, I'm not taking my marbles or bat and ball home. Far from it.
I'm here and staying. This List could easily survive without me, but it
won't get the chance! Bwahahahaha. I did say that I was starting to repeat
comments again and again and that I couldn't add more than I had done. Also
that I'd be more than happy to continue when the article hits the stands as
that way everyone is aware of the facts. I have no secret supporters
(shhhhhh!) but was asking whether anyone else found my posts about the
Highlander Impact piece out of line. If they did, I'd stop posting on that
particular subject. Clearly no-one else does.
> I too like hearing about possible up-coming HL activities or articles. (I
*prefer* to actually receive the information- rather than be asked to *buy*
it from a fellow.) The "problem" is that John's alert about the article was
certain to spark a discussion about the article- whether or not anyone
(except John) had actually read it. No matter what he said..no matter whose
picture was on the cover...the mere mention of it (along with teases about a
possible mini-series ) was guaranteed to set off a round of speculation
(spiralling into the inevitable acrimony and back-biting I so love about
this List <EFG>) John can't (won't) tell us what the article says..many
Listees have no way to find out since Impact is not an easy find everywhere
... so those who can't read the article are bound to get a little pissy
about the whole thing.
I was well aware that my original post would cause speculation on content
and was happy to answer some questions as long as it didn't make buying the
magazine moot (I have a house, magazine collection and window-cleaner to
support). I have to admit I expected questions about the mini-series and
didn't expect the third-degree on the logic of the cover but a few days of
batting heads with people who enjoy arguing is a fine way to pass the time
until it gets less interesting. Actually, with that exception, no-one has
really been pissy at all. Almost all Listees COULD get a copy of Impact if
they wanted one and others will wait to hear from others what it says. As
long as Impact is bought in sufficent numbers, then we'll continue to write
Highlander peieces. If sales aren't good, the publisher naturally says:
'Well, Highlander isn't popular. Stop covering it.' That way no-one wins.
> Is there some "statute of limitations" after which the article can become
"public"? When the next new issue of Impact is published, can we *then*
hear what was in the HL article? Or will it forever remain a mystery to the
majority of us (all true Highlander fans) who had no luck finding a copy to
buy? John says the easiest way to know whether the picture on the cover is
misleading or not is to read the article. Love to...if I could. Since I
can't..I am left to imagine that the article relates an in-depth interview
with Philip John Taylor on his new job writing HL:TNG (cast to be named
later).
Of course! I am more than happy to discuss the article once it hits the
shelves. The only thing I ask, for obvious reasons, is that no-one
physically reprints large chunks of the article. For the same reason I'd
never reprint anyone else's fanfic without permission. Doesn't preclude
discussing it in detail. :) Philip John Taylor isn't involved. :(
I will be bringing some copies to the Walkabout Workshop, but not sure how
many yet. (Depends on weight, availability and suitcase space). On that note
if anyone HAS e-mailed Laura and NOT received a reply, do e-mail her again.
We had a PC problem earlier in the week, but she thinks everyone who sent
her a message has been responded to by now.
John
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 07:23:03 -0500
From: ctaylor <ctaylor1@kiva.net>
Subject: Re: Deep Impacting
>At 07:51 PM 1/9/2004, a.j.mosby wrote:
>>Should the *majority* of people on this List feel that I shouldn't =
alert
>>it to when Impact or Dreamwatch are next breaking Highlander news (or =
how
>>to subsequently get hold of such issues)=20
Keep up the good work, John! I find your news, your views, and your =
insight into what is still interesting to Highlander fans very helpful =
as well as enlightening. And I like your magazines, too!
--ctaylor
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 11:14:58 EST
From: Bizarro7@aol.com
Subject: Re: Deep Impacting
In a message dated 1/9/2004 8:21:35 PM Eastern Standard Time,
diamonique@comcast.net writes:
> I appreciate you letting us know about upcoming articles, John. Please
> don't stop
Hey, this is a HL list. Call me crazy, but I think we want any new
information about HIGHLANDER.
Leah
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 14:01:35 -0500
From: kageorge <kageorge@erols.com>
Subject: Season Two DVD set commentary: An Eye for an Eye
PRODUCTION COMMENTARY: BP said that this episode was originally titled
"The Education of Richie Ryan", but because about 10 years ago some
other movie was released with a similar name, they renamed the episode
to avoid confusion. He felt it should really have been called "The
Education of Stan Kirsh". They cast Stan as a likable, charming actor,
who by the second season was "building a very nice fan base." But when
they exercised the option they had built into the character early on,
and turned him into an Immortal, he had to go from being MacLeod's
sidekick to a complete change in that relationship, as well as learn to
take care of himself as an Immortal.
Sheena Easton, he reports, had no fighting skills whatsoever, so just to
make things more difficult, they had the fight take place on the steps
to a lighthouse. For two people who had never done anything like that
before, between some clever directing and good acting, he thought they
did pretty well.
David A. said he caught a lot of hell for this episode. He reports that
someone once told him that death was an aphrodisiac, and the thing that
pushes you to life is sex, so they had MacLeod make love to Sheena
Easton's character in the episode after Tessa died. "The fans hated it,"
he says. "And the women wanted to string me up. I was a cad, a cur and a
misogynist."
The shot for the fight on the lighthouse steps was very complicated, and
they were in the midst of that when a package washed up on shore,
labeled "Explosives." They stopped filming for six hours and it was the
only time they ever stopped filming on Highlander.
EPISODE: The setup is that Annie Devlin (Sheena Easton) an old friend of
Duncan's who has always been involved in various Irish "causes", is in
Seacouver to attempt to assassinate the Irish ambassador. She is stopped
by Duncan and Richie, who happen onto the scene, having 'felt' her
presence. In the melee, Richie grabs the automatic weapon she is
holding, and bullets hit her fellow assassin and husband, killing him.
As the police haul her away, Annie vows revenge against Richie for the
death of her husband. MacLeod pushes Richie obsessively to train in the
newly purchased dojo, while the police interrogate her, and she ends up
throwing herself out a window to escape. There is huge tension between
Duncan and Richie, and Richie accuses Duncan of taking his guilt at not
being able to save Tessa out on him.
Duncan seeks her out, finding her on a dock hear a lighthouse, and the
two of them commiserate over their lost loves, and end up getting drunk
and making love. But even that isn't enough to convince her to let go of
her vendetta, and Duncan leaves, telling her that she'll have to go
through him in order to get to Richie.
Ultimately, Richie finds a way to meet her alone, and uses the move that
Duncan had taught him to trap her blade, but when it comes to taking her
head, he can't bring himself to do it. Duncan tells her that it's over,
that Richie took her husband's life, but he gave her hers, so there is
no debt.
Richie is wracked with doubts about himself because he wasn't able to
kill her, but Duncan tells him he'll do what has to be done when the
time comes, and gives him a beautiful sword as his own.
COMMENTS: As a plot, this one had some holes, especially in the
beginning. There were some obvious logistics problems in the timing of
the assassination and the timing of when Duncan and Richie 'felt' the
presence of another Immortal, another issue of why a bodyguard would
ignore a unknown dark car waiting behind the ambassador's limo, with no
one getting in or out, or why Richie managed to distract the assassin,
wait for her to exit the car and intervene, then grab the woman's gun
and struggle with it, resulting in the car and the husband and the
street getting totally riddled with bullets, all while Duncan is off
dealing with one pissant bad guy, which evidently takes forever, and the
guy eventually gets away anyway.
And whatever Bill Panzer may say about it, that fight scene between
Richie and Annie was awkward, at best, and embarrassingly bad in places.
The emotionally important issues were how we see Duncan dealing with the
aftermath of Tessa's death, and how he and Richie are working through
their new relationship. Duncan looks drawn and tired, even a little
thinner, actually. And he seems on a very short emotional leash. His
reaction to the threat to Richie is extreme and quite grim. He "trains"
him but never really gives him a chance to learn, just throwing him over
and over again until it is far more like punishment than training. He's
angry, almost manic in trying to make Richie understand the true nature
of the threat he is facing. That kind of anger, out of proportion and
out of character, is surely a manifestation of fear. He couldn't protect
Tessa, and now he feared he couldn't protect Richie.
Ultimately Richie calls him on it, and the two share some bitter words
when Richie accuses him of feeling guilty that he (Duncan) didn't
protect Tessa, didn't save her. Mac denies it, his face a frozen mask,
and the two part in anger.
As for Richie, he starts the episode trying to cajole Mac out of his
grim stoicism by getting him to eat, by trying to be lighthearted, and
then expressing his confusion about what he was supposed to do now,
comparing himself to Superman, at which point Mac snaps at him that he
*isn't* Superman. But then Richie tries to be a hero in the
assassination scene, getting completely hyped when he showed no fear in
dealing the the bad guys. His elation is quickly deflated by Duncan, who
berates him for acting like a fool and endangering everyone in a block
radius as well as himself, because if he had died in front of everyone,
he would have had to completely change his life.
So Richie is getting all kinds of mixed signals from Mac. He's a friend,
but Mac won't let him get close. Mac's a teacher, but he's treating
Richie more like an enemy. He tries to be a hero (like Mac), but Mac
berates him for his actions. I don't blame him for getting angry and
frustrated. He also is truly faced with someone wanting to kill him -
someone who has the will and the skill to get the job done, and the only
way he can get rid of the threat is to cut a woman's head off in
one-on-one combat, at which he has no skill or experience. No wonder
he's in a dither.
But Richie and Duncan ultimately reached out to each other, both
apologizing simultaneously, and Duncan reined in his fears about losing
Richie and there is a long very nicely done training scene where he
teaches Richie some basic moves, with the sun setting behind them. The
mutual respect is palpable, and you can see Richie's confidence blossom.
By the end of the episode, with the presentation of a new sword, Richie
really does seem far more mature even though he's still searching for an
identity and purpose.
As for the scene on the boat dock between Annie and Duncan, I've heard
many complaints about Duncan's making love to Annie that night. But I
have to agree with David Abramowitz on this one. As much as I adored
Tessa, I thought it was a very human thing to do. Each of them had just
lost someone they loved dearly, and felt alone and isolated and
grief-struck. They got a little drunk and sought solace with an old
friend who was also in pain. In my mind it in no way diminished Duncan's
feelings for Tessa, and at the end of the scene, I thought it was made
clear that it was only a momentary respite from the grief.
MacG
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 14:31:01 -0500
From: Rebecca Wallace <717becky@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Deep Impacting
on 01/09/2004 8:53 PM, MacWestie at mac.westie@verizon.net wrote:
> Mary--
>> (Workshop I hope some people from this list are planning to
>> attend this One of a kind event. )
>
> I wouldn't miss it!
>
> Nina
> mac.westie@verizon.net
May I ask how you came to know about the workshop?
I'm going to go out on a limb here, and guess it had something to do
with Carmel posting info on this and/or any of several other lists
on which she announced the info (as well as updates as to the GOH)...
I don't recall anyone, even you, accusing Carmel of being "self-serving" in
advertising this event here and other lists/boards, even though I would
expect that it did, and continues to, "drum up business". I really don't
see any difference in alerting us about this event or about the HL-related
article. Neither post *makes* me choose to pay for either of them, they
simply informed me they were out there. Even if John's motive of posting
the info about the article was purely to boost sales, so what? The way I
see it, if no one else, especially Debbie, sees a problem with what John
posted, then what's the problem? I find it interesting that you are the
only one raising a stink about it, out of everyone here and on the other two
lists I frequent where John posted this info.
Becky
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 09:35:15 -1000
From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Deep Impacting
Leah--
>>> Call me crazy
I'm pretty sure _that's_ been done to death here.
Rebecca--
>>>May I ask how you came to know about the workshop?
I'm going to go out on a limb here, and guess it had something to do
with Carmel posting info on this and/or any of several other lists
on which she announced the info (as well as updates as to the GOH)...
I don't recall anyone, even you, accusing Carmel of being "self-serving" in
advertising this event here and other lists/boards, even though I would
expect that it did, and continues to, "drum up business". >>>
You make excellent points about Carmel's list posts being self-serving (as
well as virulent & certainly not offering anything for discussion lately).
Of course, Carmel's special--just ask her! So, perhaps I was feeling more
charitable back then. On the other hand, at least she wasn't teasing the
list w/ non-info about HL developments, in order to get members to buy her
product. And, I hope that the GOH she touts as coming will actually BE
there--unlike Impact which has AP on the cover but no place else.
Speaking of Carmel--
>>>Take my advice: don't acknowledge her. Don't respond. Don't feed her
misery.>>>
Dear Carmel--is there a problem? You'll have to remind me, as I have no
clue what I could have done to offend you. Never mind--I'm sure we'll patch
things up in February.
Nina
mac.westie@verizon.net
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 14:33:45 -0500
From: kageorge <kageorge@erols.com>
Subject: Commercial promotion (Was Re: Deep Impacting)
This topic is getting tiresome. John is a long-time genuine Highlander
fan who is also acting as an agent for a fan-related magazine. He, no
doubt, receives some kind of compensation for his boosting of the
magazine, and the more we talk about it, negative or otherwise, the
better it is for the magazine (*any* publicity is good publicity). I
don't fault John for doing what he does, so long as we all know why he
is doing it.
As for Carmel's workshop, she does what she does because she loves the
fandom and enjoys the events. Her expenses may get covered, but
probably very little else, and it is a huge amount of effort to put this
kind of event together. It is the kind of thing that only real love for
something can motivate, and that, to me, is a huge difference between
what Carmel does and what John does.
For those who dislike the practice of fans being paid to promote
commercial products on fan-related lists, that's their right, and their
have every right to say so. However, to perpetually harp and criticize,
ad nauseum, is to *participate* in the promotion. The conversation
about this one magazine article has been going on so long that at some
point I have to wonder about *everyone's* motives. Mostly, I just get
bored with it all and start deleting the more repetitive participants'
posts, unread.
MacGeorge
Rebecca Wallace wrote:
>on 01/09/2004 8:53 PM, MacWestie at mac.westie@verizon.net wrote:
>
>
>
>>Mary--
>>
>>
>>>(Workshop I hope some people from this list are planning to
>>>attend this One of a kind event. )
>>>
>>>
>>I wouldn't miss it!
>>
>>Nina
>>mac.westie@verizon.net
>>
>>
>
>May I ask how you came to know about the workshop?
>I'm going to go out on a limb here, and guess it had something to do
>with Carmel posting info on this and/or any of several other lists
>on which she announced the info (as well as updates as to the GOH)...
>I don't recall anyone, even you, accusing Carmel of being "self-serving" in
>advertising this event here and other lists/boards, even though I would
>expect that it did, and continues to, "drum up business". I really don't
>see any difference in alerting us about this event or about the HL-related
>article. Neither post *makes* me choose to pay for either of them, they
>simply informed me they were out there. Even if John's motive of posting
>the info about the article was purely to boost sales, so what? The way I
>see it, if no one else, especially Debbie, sees a problem with what John
>posted, then what's the problem? I find it interesting that you are the
>only one raising a stink about it, out of everyone here and on the other two
>lists I frequent where John posted this info.
>
>Becky
>
>
>
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 20:09:25 -0000
From: "a.j.mosby" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Deep Impacting
And, I hope that the GOH she touts as coming will actually BE
> there--unlike Impact which has AP on the cover but no place else.
> Nina
> mac.westie@verizon.net
Actually I can't let that crack pass. He *is* in the magazine and the
article itself and a competition therein as advertised.
You are entitled to post your opinions here and even do so, if it so excites
you, with an adversorial type of language. You can complain, whinge,
deconstruct, and state what you think is wrong with anything you choose.
You are not entitled to post outright lies - even through ignorance. If you
do so again I will formally ask Debbie to take action.
John
And - subject to working commitments - ALL guests at the Walkabout will be
there.
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 20:16:38 -0000
From: "a.j.mosby" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Commercial promotion
Just for the record:
I don't get paid a single extra penny for promoting Impact, here or anywhere
else. If Impact does well and sales go up, it's possible I could get a raise
somewhere waaaaay down the line. That's the extent of my financial interest.
Other than that my interest is personally in being able to continue to cover
Highlander. I can only do that in Impact if sales show it to be viable. So,
yes, I do promote such issues wherever I think it appropriate.
As for conventions, at least those run by fans, I'm sure Carmel will also
end up pointing out that few Conventions make any sort of real profit and if
they make anything back it often goes to either charity or to their next
event.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "kageorge" <kageorge@EROLS.COM>
To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU>
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 7:33 PM
Subject: [HL] Commercial promotion (Was Re: Deep Impacting)
> This topic is getting tiresome. John is a long-time genuine Highlander
> fan who is also acting as an agent for a fan-related magazine. He, no
> doubt, receives some kind of compensation for his boosting of the
> magazine, and the more we talk about it, negative or otherwise, the
> better it is for the magazine (*any* publicity is good publicity). I
> don't fault John for doing what he does, so long as we all know why he
> is doing it.
>
> As for Carmel's workshop, she does what she does because she loves the
> fandom and enjoys the events. Her expenses may get covered, but
> probably very little else, and it is a huge amount of effort to put this
> kind of event together. It is the kind of thing that only real love for
> something can motivate, and that, to me, is a huge difference between
> what Carmel does and what John does.
>
> For those who dislike the practice of fans being paid to promote
> commercial products on fan-related lists, that's their right, and their
> have every right to say so. However, to perpetually harp and criticize,
> ad nauseum, is to *participate* in the promotion. The conversation
> about this one magazine article has been going on so long that at some
> point I have to wonder about *everyone's* motives. Mostly, I just get
> bored with it all and start deleting the more repetitive participants'
> posts, unread.
>
> MacGeorge
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 15:32:49 -0500
From: kageorge <kageorge@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Commercial promotion
Res ipsa loquitur, John. As I said, I have no problem with any
commercial ties you may have to Impact or any other magazine or
HL-related enterprise. IMO, you have been reasonable in your responses,
if also determined and persistent in responding to each and every post
on the topic even when not responding might have been appropriate (or at
least welcomed by me). I'm just expressing (in an admittedly roundabout
way) an opinion that I wish you would let this thread DIE!
MacGeorge
a.j.mosby wrote:
>Just for the record:
>
>I don't get paid a single extra penny for promoting Impact, here or anywhere
>else. If Impact does well and sales go up, it's possible I could get a raise
>somewhere waaaaay down the line. That's the extent of my financial interest.
>
>Other than that my interest is personally in being able to continue to cover
>Highlander. I can only do that in Impact if sales show it to be viable. So,
>yes, I do promote such issues wherever I think it appropriate.
>
>As for conventions, at least those run by fans, I'm sure Carmel will also
>end up pointing out that few Conventions make any sort of real profit and if
>they make anything back it often goes to either charity or to their next
>event.
>
>John
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "kageorge" <kageorge@EROLS.COM>
>To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU>
>Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 7:33 PM
>Subject: [HL] Commercial promotion (Was Re: Deep Impacting)
>
>
>
>
>>This topic is getting tiresome. John is a long-time genuine Highlander
>>fan who is also acting as an agent for a fan-related magazine. He, no
>>doubt, receives some kind of compensation for his boosting of the
>>magazine, and the more we talk about it, negative or otherwise, the
>>better it is for the magazine (*any* publicity is good publicity). I
>>don't fault John for doing what he does, so long as we all know why he
>>is doing it.
>>
>>As for Carmel's workshop, she does what she does because she loves the
>>fandom and enjoys the events. Her expenses may get covered, but
>>probably very little else, and it is a huge amount of effort to put this
>>kind of event together. It is the kind of thing that only real love for
>>something can motivate, and that, to me, is a huge difference between
>>what Carmel does and what John does.
>>
>>For those who dislike the practice of fans being paid to promote
>>commercial products on fan-related lists, that's their right, and their
>>have every right to say so. However, to perpetually harp and criticize,
>>ad nauseum, is to *participate* in the promotion. The conversation
>>about this one magazine article has been going on so long that at some
>>point I have to wonder about *everyone's* motives. Mostly, I just get
>>bored with it all and start deleting the more repetitive participants'
>>posts, unread.
>>
>>MacGeorge
>>
>>
>
>
>
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