HIGHLA-L Digest - 30 Jun 2003 to 1 Jul 2003 (#2003-127)
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Topics of the day:
1. Highlander in the news (16)
2. Vendetta (3)
3. (Has some OT in it) Highlander in the news (7)
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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 10:39:07 +0100
From: "John Mosby (Home)" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Highlander in the news
>
> JOSS WHEDON: Fan fic. Utter rubbish.
Hmmm. Let's just put the quote in context. Joss was asked whether the recent
Angel intro 'spoiler' was true and he said it was utter rubbish, just
fan-fic. He wasn't commenting on fanfic as a genre. he doesn't mind fanfic
a slong as it doesn't iminge on the radar.
John
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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 02:51:27 -0700
From: Pat Lawson <plawson@webleyweb.com>
Subject: Re: Highlander in the news
John wrote:
> >
> > JOSS WHEDON: Fan fic. Utter rubbish.
>
>Hmmm. Let's just put the quote in context. Joss was asked whether the recent
>Angel intro 'spoiler' was true and he said it was utter rubbish, just
>fan-fic. He wasn't commenting on fanfic as a genre. he doesn't mind fanfic
>a slong as it doesn't iminge on the radar.
Thanks for the clarification John.
Pat
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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 08:50:57 -0700
From: Gregory Mate <gmate@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Highlander in the news
At 11:45 AM 6/30/2003 -1000, Nina wrote:
>Here's the news report, & it does mention Highlander rather damningly--
>http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20030630_546.html
>
>
>Nina (trying out a sig line...)
>mac.westie@verizon.net
>
>JOSS WHEDON: Fan fic. Utter rubbish.
It isn't so much that Highlander is mentioned damningly; rather, some
groups will likely take this opportunity to jump on the anti-Highlander
bandwagon by saying the show/movie promotes violence and should be
banned. We've heard this sort of thing before from groups against
"Dungeons and Dragons" and "Everquest."
While I don't believe in downplaying a tragedy such as this, often factors
(such as the mental instability of the perpetrator) are overlooked in
favour of blaming the media/game/what-have-you.
....Greg....
gmate@rogers.com
He Who Thinks That Watching Martha Stewart Reruns Lead To Insider Trading
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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 10:24:21 -0400
From: KLZ3 <KZIMMERMAN3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Highlander in the news
>
> While I don't believe in downplaying a tragedy such as this, often factors
> (such as the mental instability of the perpetrator) are overlooked in
> favour of blaming the media/game/what-have-you.
It's far easier to blame an outside force than to try to fix the
problems that cause this kind of thing.
On a slight tangent, a commentator (one of those who strongly
oppose restrictions on weapons) was talking about "spud guns",
which shoot potatoes (why do I feel like I'm in a Salvador Dali
painting?), and expressing disbelief that they are not banned. A
gun that shoots *potatoes*? One at a time?!?
With the sword thing, no, I wouldn't downplay this tragedy
either. But there's a heck of a lot less that you can do with a
sword than with other weapons, such as lying concealed in the
trunk of a car. Swords were not made for mass destruction.
ZK (of course, it could just be that HL attracts some strange
people)(Who, me?)(Oh be quiet Wendy)
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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 11:13:37 -0400
From: jjswbt@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: Vendetta
Mel wrote:
>This was another one of those eps that left me
>wondering "why?"....It just didn't seem to mesh well
>with the rest of the series.
I think the idea is that there are all kinds of Immortals and they aren't all suave leading men like Duncan. In 400 years. Duncan has met a lot of people and Benny was one. Benny survives because he is, generally, harmless. He is annoying but not dangerous (at least not dangerous in Game sense).
>the
>Kalas arc is coming up which should be good and Methos
>will be here soon.
While I am a huge fan of Methos and appreciated the interplay between Duncan and Methos (No! Not *that* kind of interplay) Something does get lost when Methos appears. I think the occasional character of Methos was so exciting for the writers that Duncan's character often suffered. Methos was cool, new, different, mysterious - whereas suddenly Duncan was boring, predictable, and colorless.
>Am I the only one who wished Mac would take Benny's
>head? Just to shut him up. He wasn't bad per se but he
>was annoying after a while. I liked the humor in the
>ending though.
Benny survives by being just fun enough and harmless enough that no one bothers to kill him. He might land you in trouble but he'd never try for your head. Duncan *could* swat him like a fly but..why bother?
I felt sorry for Anne in this one. She wants to give it another try with Duncan..she doesn't want to "push" but she's not back a week and she gets shot at - and Duncan offers no good explanation. By this point, he either should have broken it off and then stayed away or told her a much more plausible story (maybe even the truth).
>Mel, who can see why Richie got ticked off with Benny
>after a while.
Benny...Richie...who's *really* more annoying? <EGF>
Wendy(Being trapped underwater for long periods of time must be many an Immortal's nightmare.)(Flesh being nibbled away by fish <shudder>)
Fairy Killer
jjswbt@earthlink.net
http://home.earthlink.net/~jjswbt/index.html
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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 11:16:10 -0400
From: jjswbt@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: Highlander in the news
ZK says:
>(of course, it could just be that HL attracts some strange
>people)(Who, me?)(Oh be quiet Wendy)
Hey!!
I only own three swords and I've never actually killed anyone with any of them!
Wendy(What various ferrets *may* have done on their *own* time is not my concern!)
Fairy Killer
jjswbt@earthlink.net
http://home.earthlink.net/~jjswbt/index.html
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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 08:30:23 -0700
From: FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Vendetta
A lot of good points there. It's amazing how I don't
think of things half the time until someone else
brings them up.
I agree about Anne, much as I think he should find
someone else. I can see her reasons for leaving later
on, too, even though I haven't seen it yet only read
about it. I forget who said they thought they were
moving a bit fast in the beginning, but I see that
point, too.
Question: Is this the only ep where we don't even
*see* the katana? I wanna say The Zone, too, but I'm
not sure. I know there are eps where he takes heads
with other weapons, but I don't recall many where we
don't at least see the dragonhead katana somewhere
along the line.
Mel
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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 17:07:11 +0100
From: Jette Goldie <jette@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Highlander in the news
> On a slight tangent, a commentator (one of those who strongly
> oppose restrictions on weapons) was talking about "spud guns",
> which shoot potatoes (why do I feel like I'm in a Salvador Dali
> painting?), and expressing disbelief that they are not banned. A
> gun that shoots *potatoes*? One at a time?!?
Bits of potatoes - not the whole potato! You push the barrel
of the spud-gun into your potato and rotate - it takes out a
small cylindrical chunk (very small) and then you fire this.
About the size of a BB pellet but softer - still stings when
some little <AUP> * of a kid brother shoots you in the rump
with it!
(* stands for Acceptable Use Policy )(as in "your account
was deleted for behaviour contrary to the AUP") :-)
Jette
"Work for Peace and remain Fiercely Loving" - Jim Byrnes
jette@blueyonder.co.uk
http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 12:24:59 -0400
From: Bizarro7@aol.com
Subject: Re: Highlander in the news
Jette:
>>Bits of potatoes - not the whole potato! You push the barrel
of the spud-gun into your potato and rotate - it takes out a
small cylindrical chunk (very small) and then you fire this.
About the size of a BB pellet but softer - still stings when
some little <AUP> * of a kid brother shoots you in the rump
with it!<<
(Hearing little Ralphie's classmates chanting "You'll shoot your EYE out...You'll shoot your EYE out!")
Leah
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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 11:07:51 -0600
From: Firefly <airedale@northerntel.net>
Subject: Re: Highlander in the news
At 07/01/2003 05:07 PM +0100, Jette Goldie wrote:
>Bits of potatoes - not the whole potato! You push the barrel
>of the spud-gun into your potato and rotate - it takes out a
>small cylindrical chunk (very small) and then you fire this.
Must have a different kind of potato gun in the UK. Every 4th of July, we
used go to a friend's house on the border and they'd shoot *whole* potatoes
towards Canada with theirs. Not sure if any actually made it over the
border though.
Barbara
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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 13:15:28 -0400
From: Bizarro7@aol.com
Subject: Re: Highlander in the news
Barbara:
>>Must have a different kind of potato gun in the UK. Every 4th of July, we
used go to a friend's house on the border and they'd shoot *whole* potatoes
towards Canada with theirs. Not sure if any actually made it over the
border though.<<
Those are Spud Missiles.
Leah
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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 18:23:00 +0100
From: Jette Goldie <jette@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Highlander in the news
> Barbara:
>
> >>Must have a different kind of potato gun in the UK. Every 4th of July,
we
> used go to a friend's house on the border and they'd shoot *whole*
potatoes
> towards Canada with theirs. Not sure if any actually made it over the
> border though.<<
>
> Those are Spud Missiles.
>
> Leah
Not to be confused with "Scud" missiles - which when
a Scots mother flings her slipper at your tender rear
end ;-)
Jette
"Work for Peace and remain Fiercely Loving" - Jim Byrnes
jette@blueyonder.co.uk
http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 13:24:45 -0400
From: Bizarro7@aol.com
Subject: Re: Highlander in the news
>>> Those are Spud Missiles.
>
> Leah
Not to be confused with "Scud" missiles - which when
a Scots mother flings her slipper at your tender rear
end ;-)
Jette<<
...I thought that was tong war.
Leah
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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 18:27:32 +0100
From: Jette Goldie <jette@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Highlander in the news
> >>> Those are Spud Missiles.
> >
> > Leah
>
> Not to be confused with "Scud" missiles - which when
> a Scots mother flings her slipper at your tender rear
> end ;-)
>
> Jette<<
>
> ...I thought that was tong war.
>
> Leah
No, that's when she throws the kitchen impliments at
your dad <g>
Jette
"Work for Peace and remain Fiercely Loving" - Jim Byrnes
jette@blueyonder.co.uk
http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 13:35:59 -0400
From: Bizarro7@aol.com
Subject: Re: Highlander in the news
>>> >>> Those are Spud Missiles.
> >
> > Leah
>
> Not to be confused with "Scud" missiles - which when
> a Scots mother flings her slipper at your tender rear
> end ;-)
>
> Jette<<
>
> ...I thought that was tong war.
>
> Leah
No, that's when she throws the kitchen impliments at
your dad <g>
Jette<<
After which you play...taps.
Leah
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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 15:34:05 EDT
From: Dotiran@aol.com
Subject: Re: Highlander in the news
In a message dated 7/1/2003 12:16:43 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
Bizarro7@aol.com writes:
> Those are Spud Missiles.
>
good one Leah :)
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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 15:42:24 EDT
From: Billie Lee Williams <McCelt2003@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (Has some OT in it) Highlander in the news
In a message dated 7/1/2003 12:35:28 PM Pacific Standard Time,
Dotiran@aol.com writes:
> >Those are Spud Missiles.
BRIEF and one-day emergence from lurkdom here, LOL on that, and something of
an OT addendum. I have to have Police Officers on the premises of my work
(locked, adolescent Psych, I am the RN, Ph.D. Nursing Director) on oh-so-may
occasions, inlcuding Hostage Negotiators <eek!!> They have explained to me the
many new "crowd control" and such weapons they use, and the parameters under
which they are allowed to use/not use them. Pepper guns (not spray) and all.
Wow, scary. None such weapons can be used in my facility, thank Heavens. I
respond only because I was most interested in this "Potato Gun" thing, <g>.
Slinking back into lurkdom now,
Forever Yours (FK and HL),
Billie-Lee
mccelt2003@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 15:46:10 -0400
From: Bizarro7@aol.com
Subject: Re: (Has some OT in it) Highlander in the news
So Billie Lee. If your officers are required to fire the Potato Guns into a rioting mob, must they be seasoned with Pepper Spray? Will Salt and Butter follow?
Leah
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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 15:47:33 -0400
From: Bizarro7@aol.com
Subject: Re: (Has some OT in it) Highlander in the news
>>So Billie Lee. If your officers are required to fire the Potato Guns into a rioting mob, must they be seasoned with Pepper Spray? Will Salt and Butter follow?
Leah<<
Forget I asked. It was a 'loaded' question.
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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 16:05:14 EDT
From: Billie Lee Williams <McCelt2003@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (Has some OT in it) Highlander in the news
In a message dated 7/1/2003 12:47:19 PM Pacific Standard Time,
Bizarro7@aol.com writes:
> So Billie Lee. If your officers are required to fire the Potato Guns into a
> rioting mob, must they be seasoned with Pepper Spray? Will Salt and Butter
> follow?
LOLOLOL, and yes, I saw your PS, Leah!!!
The officers cannot fire *anything* in my facility. They can carry it, but
they cannot fire. Thing is, and this part is no laughing matter, in Psych,
officers tend to FORGET about Psych diagnosis(es), and fire. Patients have died
(not at my facility, not prior to, nor during my supervision/direction). So
they cannot fire. They can only help me negotiate someone who has, say, (for
instance) blocked the (intentionally, by another patient) now-unlockable
laundry-room door with:
The washer
The dryer
Added to that, their 300+ pounds of weight on (literally) top of both of the
above
And has a broken, a **LETHAL,** fluorescent light bulb tube at their carotid,
so if we force open the door, guess what is the result....
That's enough of that...., sorry. I found the potato thing amusing, and had
no intent to make things all scary like this..., it has, however, and things
like it, happened lately, and the ability to **negotiate with the negotiators**
is a paramount skill to have, needless to say.
I do, still, rather like the idea of peppering (and salting) the potato guns,
<ggggg!!!>
Yours,
Billie-Lee (who wonders should she not have left this alone, LOL)
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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 16:08:50 -0400
From: Bizarro7@aol.com
Subject: Re: (Has some OT in it) Highlander in the news
Billie Lee:
>>I do, still, rather like the idea of peppering (and salting) the potato guns,
<ggggg!!!><<
I guess that's just your idea of keeping an 'eye' on them.
Okay, okay, I'll stop.
Leah
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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 16:11:30 EDT
From: Billie Lee Williams <McCelt2003@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (Has some OT in it) Highlander in the news
In a message dated 7/1/2003 1:10:25 PM Pacific Standard Time,
Bizarro7@aol.com writes:
> I guess that's just your idea of keeping an 'eye' on them.
>
> Okay, okay, I'll stop.
OMG, and ROTFLMAO,
Yeah, me too (stopping), promise.....
Yours,
Billie-Lee
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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 18:29:44 EDT
From: "Michele L. Kirksey" <MicheleShdwfx@cs.com>
Subject: Re: (Has some OT in it) Highlander in the news
In a message dated 7/1/2003 4:17:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Bizarro7@aol.com writes:
> Okay, okay, I'll stop.
>
> Leah
>
Oh goodness please do before I come out of my 'skin'
MicheleK (sinking lower...)
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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:42:31 -0400
From: KLZ3 <KZIMMERMAN3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Highlander in the news
> Jette:
>
>
>>>Bits of potatoes - not the whole potato! You push the barrel
>
> of the spud-gun into your potato and rotate - it takes out a
> small cylindrical chunk (very small) and then you fire this.
> About the size of a BB pellet but softer - still stings when
> some little <AUP> * of a kid brother shoots you in the rump
> with it!<<
This one was the size of a bazooka.
ZK
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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 14:42:37 -1000
From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Highlander in the news
> > JOSS WHEDON: Fan fic. Utter rubbish.
John--
> Hmmm. Let's just put the quote in context. Joss was asked whether the
recent
> Angel intro 'spoiler' was true and he said it was utter rubbish, just
> fan-fic. He wasn't commenting on fanfic as a genre.
Really? Guess that's one interpretation. I read it differently. Subtext
is key, you know. Plus--on the Internet, I'll take truth wherever I can
find it.
John again--
> he doesn't mind fanfic
> a slong as it doesn't iminge on the radar.
"Iminge"? Must be a Brit thing. Is it like kippers? Or sodding?
But, there's fanfic, & then there's fanfic. Most people, when asked, would
probably say fanfic is OK. Actually, when asked, most people would probably
need it explained to them & then would say something along the lines of "Get
a life." Still--freedom of expression, harmless outlet, honing writing
skills, just shows how caught up in the fictional universe fans get, it's
flattering really, etc. BUT, what about fanfic that's widely distributed,
over the net or in fanzines? What about people selling their fanfic? Some
twit in the article referenced on the list a week or so ago was talking
about selling her fanfic & getting a _real_ book published. Would Joss
Whedon be OK w/ fans well & truly publishing their Buffy porn, um, stories?
Does Mutant Enemy really not care about proprietary rights to all things
Buffy/Angel/Firefly? Are those copyright notices at the end of the episodes
just for fun?
Unless Joss has been whispering that sort of thing in your ear recently,
then I think your breezy summation of his views on the complicated subject
of fanfic was rather disingenuous. Basically, fanfic IS on the radar more &
more. That's why we had that silly article recently & also why the
What-Spike-is-on-Angel thing came up--someone was so enamored of her fanfic
&/or desperate for attention (assuming those are 2 different things w/
fanfic writers) they sent it to a particularly slipshod net news source.
Nina
mac.westie@verizon.net
JOSS WHEDON: Fan fic. Utter rubbish.
(some things just feel _right_)
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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 14:54:13 -1000
From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Vendetta
Mel--
>>>Question: Is this the only ep where we don't even
*see* the katana? I wanna say The Zone, too, but I'm
not sure. I know there are eps where he takes heads
with other weapons, but I don't recall many where we
don't at least see the dragonhead katana somewhere
along the line.>>>
Oodles. Lots in season 6 (something NOT to look forward to).
>>> Wendy(Being trapped underwater for long periods of time must be many an
Immortal's nightmare.)(Flesh being
nibbled away by fish <shudder>)>>>
Which reminds me--can Immies ever lose weight, & keep it off? Wouldn't the
fat cells just regenerate?
Nina (forget age--the key is to have one's 1st death while slender)
mac.westie@verizon.net
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