HIGHLA-L Digest - 21 May 2003 (#2003-86)
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Topics of the day:
1. Eye For An Eye (3)
2. The Zone, or "What were they thinking doing this ep anyway?"
3. The Darkness--what he said
4. season 1 trivia--part 2
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Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 18:31:56 -0400
From: jjswbt@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: Eye For An Eye
I said:
>>We learn Charlie's back story and he begins to see things that will
>confuse him for years and finally get him killed.
Nina:
>And that's a bad thing?
Only that it took so long.<g>
>> 1) Why do Richie and Duncan go off searching for the Immortal they feel
>after Richie gets his chili dog? Why not just go about your business ?
>DM usually did that. As he told Methos (who of course turned tail &
>promptly vanished) when they sensed Koren/Kronos at the start of Comes a Horseman,
>DM likes to know who's around.
I could see it, I guess, if he was alone or in the company of someone who could take care of him/herself..but to drag Richie along? He'd only been Immortal a few weeks and was utterly unprepared to defend himself (or even stay out of the way).
>>>> 3) Why did Annie send Mick and Tommy out of the car to kill the
>Ambassador? Why not go herself - she had the best chance of surviving.>>>
>
>According to DM, she had a habit of getting her activist/terrorist men
>killed that way. But, she was also the leader there, & leaders often hang
>back while the minions wreak havoc.
OK. I can see sending Mick out first..he was suppose to be the lone gunman while they covered from the car. But once Duncan showed up - whom she had to recognize as Immortal even if she didn't know it was MacLeod - wouldn't she have been the best one to exit the car and take the shot? As for being the leader, her need for revenge against the English seemed pretty personal even after 80 years. I'd have thought she would want to be looking the Ambassador in the eyes when he died.
>>>> 6) While I understand and accept the notion of katana space....it
>stretches things a bit to have Annie pull her sword out of the back of that
>tight, belted, outfit she was wearing at the warehouse.>>>
>
>Anymore than casting Sheen Easton as an Immie stretches things?
Sheena wasn't that bad. Better than Joan Jett.
> >>>> 9) Did Richie resent the fact that Duncan went to hold and comfort
>Annie after her fight with Richie- instead of going to comfort his badly
>shaken student?>>>
>I don't know, but making love on a wooden dock is just dumb--you know
>_someone_ got splinters, & that's gotta hurt even an immie rump.
Maybe they managed to get Duncan's trench coat under them before the risk of splinters became severe?
>>>> 10) After training Richie to fight with a two-handed sword, why did
>Duncan give him a one-handed rapier? A subconscious attempt to handicap a
>potential rival? A lapse of memory? The need to differentiate the two
>characters for viewers who couldn't otherwise tell Duncan and Richie
>apart?>>>
>
>At least DM learned a lesson after Felicia trashed a $200,000 sword; DM
>gave RR a crappy one whose handle routinely broke off under a harsh look....
It wasn't a crappy sword! It was the fact Richie was a crappy swordsman
>>>> Wendy(Do we need to have the eternal debate on whether Duncan's night
>with Annie was a natural reaction to grief or total disrespect for Tessa's
>memory?)>>>
>
>Neither--the producers just couldn't wait to put DM in sexy scenes w/ the
>guest tarts, something that (FBs aside) didn't work w/ dear Tessa scowling
>in the background. And sexy DM scenes aren't going to get complaints from
>ME.
I wasn't complaining...seeing Duncan get naked and sweaty was a highlight of any episode. I gave him a pass with Annie because they had history and because they had both lost lovers. If he had boinked just any female that came his way, I'd have lost respect for him.( I'd have watched)(But I'd have lost respect<g>)
>AP (w/ an assist from his loose & messy hair) does a nice job of showing
>throughout the ep that DM is in shock over losing Tessa, still raw &
>disoriented.
Agreed.
Wendy(The Zone has no redeeming features.)
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Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 18:58:41 -0400
From: jjswbt@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: Eye For An Eye
I wrote:
>>4) In the dojo, Richie tells Duncan that the reason he (Duncan) is
>>being so hard on Richie is because he (Duncan) feels guilty for not
>>being with Tessa when she was attacked. I don't buy that. *I* think
>>Duncan is being hard on Richie because, subconsciously, Duncan blames
>>*Richie* for not protecting Tessa.
>I think it's a bit of both.
Fence sitter!
>Duncan thinks he should have been there,
>but he also feels Richie should have protected Tessa. But it's not
>Richie's fault - Richie didn't know he was going to become an
>Immortal.
I don't see it as having anything to do with Richie's latent immortality. It probably has more to do with the idea that a man ought to protect a woman. That Richie should have been able to do *something* to protect Tessa.
>So maybe Duncan feels that's his fault too - if he'd just
>*told* Richie, then Richie would have not worried that a guy had a
>gun.
I don't see this at all. I just never got any feel that Duncan regretted not telling Richie-for any reason.
>(Of course, knowing Richie, he would have up and got himself
>'killed' for the first time much sooner doing some teenage fool thing
>or another.)
Oh yeah..Richie was an accident waiting to happen. If he had known that getting killed wasn't permanent for him, he'd have gotten himself killed immediately in some foolish stunt.
>We tend to forget that Duncan became Immortal when he was - what, 29?
>Richie was *19*. Then we blame him for acting like he was 19.
I never blamed Richie for acting 19. I blamed him for acting like a dumb 19 year old. (There are smart 19 year olds) And I blame him for still acting like a 19 year old when he was 23.
>It took
>Duncan another 20 years or so to even learn how to read (and he had to
>walk a mile in the snow, too. Uphill- both ways!) He didn't immediately
>rush off and learn how to read.
I'm not sure how this is germane to the discussion.In Duncan's era, learning to read was not a necessity of life. A man could work and provide for a family without that particular skill. Yes, it was better to read than not ...but it wasn't an absolute necessity. While I'm sure that a 19 year old Duncan was capable of doing foolish things, he was also capable of supporting himself, tending flocks/fields, defending his home, etc. Richie at 19 was barely competent to look after himself.
> But we blame Richie for not rushing off immediately and going to college.
Richie gets blamed for being in the same place on the day Duncan beheaded him as he was on the day he became Immortal. He wandered...he raced ..he orbited Duncan like a satellite..but he didn't ever seem to start thinking that he *might* be alive a long time and so he *might* want to think about learning a skill and saving some money.
>At 19, a person thinks they're never
>going to die. There's all the time in the world. So why not act like
>it? And most 19 year-olds do! Yet when Richie acted like a 19 year-old,
>everybody was quick to talk about him being rebellious and not
>listening to Duncan. I think that's the pot calling the kettle black.
Richie didn't have the luxury of acting like a normal 19 year old - not after he became Immortal. He needed to step up and act like a man ..not a boy. Mortal boys do it all the time when necessary- they get educations, they get jobs, they support mothers/siblings/wives/children. Richie knew what Immortal life was like..he saw how Duncan lived. He knew that death could come at you any time. He saw how hard Duncan trained all the time. Duncan tried to teach him how to survive and live like a man (not a boy) ....train hard, keep your head down, save your money, be prepared, learn how to move on, be honorable, run when necessary, don't kill if you don't have to but don't flinch when killing is necessary, cherish your friends but watch your back, etc. Richie wouldn't listen..Richie refused to learn. Maybe he *couldn't* learn..not everyone who becomes Immortal is cut out to survive as an Immortal. But..Richie didn't really give it a fair chance and in the end, he died long befo!
re he needed to
> (Justifying that title she gave herself for once. <g>)
If not you, who?
Wendy(If I break the 5-posts-a-day rule, will Debbie whap me?)
Fairy Killer
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Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:57:42 -0700
From: FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Eye For An Eye
>
> Wendy(If I break the 5-posts-a-day rule, will Debbie
> whap me?)
Oh, I wondered if this list had that rule. Must be
something all the PSU lists have....FORKNI-L is that
way too. Something to do with the server space.
<<Richie was in the same place when Duncan took his
head as he was when he became immortal>>
You mean the same stage of his Immie development
right? I'm just slightly confused.
While I'm at it, can anyone guess this trivia bit?
There's an actor who has a minor part in this ep who
shows up again 4th season in a different, somewhat
larger role. Anyone know who it is and what other ep
he's in?
Mel (The Zone is over and boy am I glad!! Yuck.)
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Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 17:11:46 -0700
From: FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@yahoo.com>
Subject: The Zone, or "What were they thinking doing this ep anyway?"
OK made it through, and I'm just glad it's out of the
way. Can we say 'bad action movie'? I had to laugh at
all those guys taking on DM one at a time while the
rest are just standing there. Puh-leez. Nobody's
really gonna do that.
Richie! Where are you?????? Oh well, at least *he* was
spared the torture of being in this one. Anyway, it's
just not the same without him. But even he couldn't
help this one any.
If it weren't for the HL characters, I would't have
recognized it as an HL ep. It just didn't go along
with the rest the series. Im not saying the storyline
itself was a bad idea, but it should have at least had
*something* to do with the theme of the rest of the
series.
Put this one right up there with Nowhere to Run in the
Worst Episodes department.
Mel (there aren't too many more like this are there?)
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Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 21:07:54 -0400
From: Rebecca Wallace <becky717@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: The Darkness--what he said
>
> Mel, who's *still* teary-eyed every time she thinks
> about the ep
>
Yeah, Sunday I watched a "marathon" of sorts from my s1 DVDs and s2 tapes,
and watched Duncan lose Darius (and saw the full eulogy scene and the scene
with Tessa in the barge right before that I hadn't seen before), Linda P.,
and then Tessa (and saw the scene with Richie where he talks about the
possibility of losing her and how much he love(s) the touch of her skin and
how she makes him feel young, etc.), so I pretty much stayed teary-eyed all
afternoon. I am trying to "keep up" with what's on tv using my tapes, since
I could barely (and rarely) get home in time to see any of it at 5, and now
*really* can't get home in time to see it.
Becky
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"Think wrongly if you please, but in all cases think for yourself."
-Doris Lessing
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought
without accepting it."-Aristotle
"No individual has any right to come into the world and go out of it without
leaving behind some distinct and legitimate reasons for having passed
through it."-George Washington Carver
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Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 21:43:32 -0400
From: Rebecca Wallace <becky717@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: season 1 trivia--part 2
Wendy said:
>
>>Duncan's phrase to bid Grace goodbye?
>
> Come back in a few years when Tessa is dead?
>
LOL!
I had a thought when I watched Revenge is Sweet awhile back... I thought
Duncan *might* have been interested in Rebecca if he hadn't been with
Tessa... do you think Duncan would have *eventually* looked up Rebecca, or
Grace, again, after a reasonable amount of grieving time? We know Amanda
came to him relatively soon after... anyone else from his past he might have
"looked up", mortal or immortal?
Becky
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"Think wrongly if you please, but in all cases think for yourself."
-Doris Lessing
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought
without accepting it."-Aristotle
"No individual has any right to come into the world and go out of it without
leaving behind some distinct and legitimate reasons for having passed
through it."-George Washington Carver
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