HIGHLA-L Digest - 29 Oct 2002 to 30 Oct 2002 (#2002-187)
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There are 14 messages totalling 414 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Duncan MacLeod
2. Another bit of info............
3. Elizabeth Gracen (6)
4. HL5 or other H6 proposals (4)
5. A couple of Questions (2)
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Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 19:51:37 -0800
From: Derrick Fulkerson <highlander_rifts@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Duncan MacLeod
> At 10:17 AM 10/28/02 -0500, L Cameron-Norfleet wrote:
> >I think this depends on which Duncan we're talking about. The Duncan
> >from the series, or the Duncan from Endgame.
> What's the difference?
> -- Sandy
I tend to agree with Sandy. Adian did an excellent job of maintaining his
role as Duncan MacLoed in H5. The only character that was significantly
different was that of Connor's.
Deric
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Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 22:57:03 EST
From: Dotiran@aol.com
Subject: Re: Another bit of info............
In a message dated 10/29/2002 7:53:04 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mac.westie@verizon.net writes:
> On the other hand, if we all buy DPP's lame Source merchandise NOW, maybe
> they'll relent & not actually make the film.
>
LOL sort of like an end run in football?
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Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:10:05 -1000
From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Elizabeth Gracen
Pat--
> You don't count the movie which launched the franchise as a success?
Nope. Why should I? HL 1 had its moments, but it is deeply flawed--much
like Endgame. With DPP now claiming that HL5 was launched by Endgame's
success, it is clear that the continuation of the HL franchise is based on
something other than excellence, decent story-telling, or anything a sane
person would call "success." It seems likely to me that it has been that
way all along.
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Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:02:37 -0800
From: Deric Jon <highlander_rifts@hotmail.com>
Subject: HL5 or other H6 proposals
Is it possible to submit a screenplay or script to DPP? or even a =
screenplay idea? I'm sure they may already get a lot of garbage from us =
anyway, but have they ever used fan ideas before? Because, and I wouldnt =
be offended if nobody took me seriously, I have a really good idea, and =
I'd like to share it, but I'm not sure whether or not it would even be =
looked at. Especially with a lot of other fan fiction floating around =
out there. ;)
DericJon
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Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:07:38 +0000
From: Jette Goldie <bosslady@freeuk.com>
Subject: Re: Elizabeth Gracen
> Lynn--
>
> > "Disastrous" is your opinion, I happen to like a lot of Raven.
>
> Well, _of course_ it's her opinion. That's why it came from _her_
keyboard.
>
> Raven was disastrous in my opinion, too. And in the opinion of those
who
> decided against a 2nd season for it.
Seems like *they'd* decided against a second season before the first
season even aired.
it was every bit as good as the first season of Highlander - better
even in some respects.
Jette
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Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 02:20:09 -0800
From: Jen Allen <jen@jendaveallen.com>
Subject: Re: Elizabeth Gracen
Jette Goldie wrote:
> it was every bit as good as the first season of Highlander - better
> even in some respects.
True.
Wrytchie's horrible green jacket was absolutely nowhere to be seen.
<eg>
Jen (Basil was cool)(so was Liam)(and the housekeeper--I misremember her
name)(the rest of it was...well...not quite as impressive)(but better
than Queen of Swords)
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Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 06:05:15 -0500
From: Loreal <llavigna@nycap.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Elizabeth Gracen
Having never gotten the opportunity to see Raven, I am unable to comment.
However, as far as Elizabeth Gracen goes, I did get to see her in two
episodes of another series from the early 90's: RENEGADE. She played a
bounty the main characters were chasing, supposedly wanted for industrial
espianaje. She was quite interesting as blond bombshell Ricki Yeager, but
once I saw Highlander and the character of Amanda some aspects were quite
clearly visible. Example: Amanda's attitude matched almost perfectly save
for a few minor quorks that of the female con on the run she'd played.
Amanda's quick wit was apparent, but unlike Amanda Elizabeth's other brief
role conveyed vary strongly, a quality of innocence. Amanda, to me appears
to have this daredevilish attitude, combined with slight hints of seduction,
quick wit, charm, and absolutely no innocence whatsoever. Though I'm sure if
she wanted to bad enough, she could make one believe her to be innocent of
*almost* anything.
Loreal
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Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 05:22:05 -0800
From: Stephen Bryce <sibryce@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: HL5 or other H6 proposals
--- Deric Jon <highlander_rifts@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Is it possible to submit a screenplay or script to
> DPP? or even a screenplay idea? I'm sure they may
> already get a lot of garbage from us anyway, but
> have they ever used fan ideas before?
I don't know if DPP has used fan ideas before, but the
general policy in Hollywood is that if it's
unsolicited (ie, no one asked for it), nobody will
even look at your idea, unless possibly you're an
established writer. It's a shame -- I agree that a
lot of the fan fiction out there is much better than
some of the ideas Panzer & (co-conspirator of the
week) have come up with for film stories; a good
screenplay by a very skilled & experienced writer may
be all the stories need to turn HL around.
Stephen Bryce
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Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 08:26:54 EST
From: Dotiran@aol.com
Subject: Re: HL5 or other H6 proposals
In a message dated 10/29/2002 11:22:04 PM Eastern Standard Time,
highlander_rifts@hotmail.com writes:
> Is it possible to submit a screenplay or script to DPP?
with an agent all things are theoretically possible.
without an agent. fugedaboutit
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Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 11:49:15 -0500
From: KLZ3 <KZIMMERMAN3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: HL5 or other H6 proposals
Stephen Bryce wrote:
>
> --- Deric Jon <highlander_rifts@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Is it possible to submit a screenplay or script to
> > DPP? or even a screenplay idea? I'm sure they may
> > already get a lot of garbage from us anyway, but
> > have they ever used fan ideas before?
>
> I don't know if DPP has used fan ideas before, but the
> general policy in Hollywood is that if it's
> unsolicited (ie, no one asked for it), nobody will
> even look at your idea, unless possibly you're an
> established writer.
There are legal issues involved. If they even look at your
stuff, then if they happen to come up with an idea that has even
a smidgen of commonality, they risk plagerism lawsuits.
I don't think that stealing ideas telepathically counts. <g>
> It's a shame -- I agree that a
> lot of the fan fiction out there is much better than
> some of the ideas Panzer & (co-conspirator of the
> week) have come up with for film stories;
I disagree. Most f*nf*c seems to revolve around a single idea
(such as: Ritchie Survives) and would make a very flat story.
Other f*nf*c is impossible to put on screen (cast of millions;
destruction of the world, Duncan and [insert name of babe of the
week] go at it hot and heavy, any of the "brutal Methos" stories
that surfaced after Horsemen, crossovers. F*nf*c provides
stories about pieces of the universe that many would like to see
but won't.
ZK
kzimmerman3@cox.net
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Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 12:36:27 -0500
From: jjswbt@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: Elizabeth Gracen
Jette wrote of Raven:
>Seems like *they'd* decided against a second season before the first
>season even aired.
I don't know as I'd go quite that far but I would say that TPTB didn't seem know what Raven was suppose to be about or where it should be headed. They rushed certain aspects - perhaps because they didn't expect a second season or perhaps because they didn't trust viewers to stick with Raven if it meant "working" (ie: actually paying attention and following continuing plot threads<g>). And ... they couldn't decide it Raven was light comedy/action or action/drama.
I think they paired up Nick and Amanda way too soon. I'd have liked to see 10-12 episodes where they were mostly adversarial with only a slow dawning that they were (or could be) on the same side of some things - and even then it should have taken a long time before they were comfortable together. I'd have liked to see them face a powerful physical attraction while still "enemies". I'd have like to see Amanda struggle much more with the choice between her 1200 year habits and her attraction to a man who didn't find her thieving ways at all "cute". I'd have like to see Nick face a long time trying to adjust to not being a cop - the PI work came too fast and too easy.
But then, I'm often willing to give series more than 2 weeks to prove themselves...especially if I have some expectation that TPTB can pull off great TV if given a chance. (Which is why I am still watching "Firefly" and hoping it doesn't get cancelled after 14 episodes)
>it was every bit as good as the first season of Highlander - better
>even in some respects.
I'd say the acting was better, overall, than Season One of HL. I don't think the writing was better.
Wendy(Watching Adrian and Stan learn to act while on screen was almost as painful sometimes as watching Jim chew the scenery in later years.)
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Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:55:25 -0800
From: Melinda Morgan <sgt_buck_frobisher@yahoo.com>
Subject: A couple of Questions
Does anyone know where I can find the lyrics to
Highlander 2 Renegade Version's 'One Dream' song, the
end title song?
What are the titles of the series soundtracks?
CDnow.com has some Highlander CD's but I want to be
sure I get the right ones.
Can someone help the newbie out with a series
question: What's the Magic Circle? (I have got to
order myself some tapes...already have someone who
will do them for me...I need more Highlander LOL)
Mel(its wierd that I live in a town called Highland ...LOL)
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Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:41:55 -0600
From: Kamil <kamil@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Elizabeth Gracen
<Wendy>
<snip Raven commentary to make an OT observation>
> But then, I'm often willing to give series more than 2 weeks to prove
themselves...especially if I have some expectation that TPTB can pull off great
TV if given a chance. (Which is why I am still watching "Firefly" and hoping it
doesn't get cancelled after 14 episodes)
Fox just ordered another three episodes, which isn't as great as picking up the
back nine -- but it beats being told to close up shop in ep 13. I do think the
show's getting better each week. I *loved* "Our Mrs. Reynolds" enjoyed the hell
out of "Out of Gas", and thought "Jaynestown" was very good, just not quite as
much to my taste as the other two.
> >it was every bit as good as the first season of Highlander - better> >even in
some respects.
>
> I'd say the acting was better, overall, than Season One of HL. I don't think
the writing was better.
>
> Wendy(Watching Adrian and Stan learn to act while on screen was almost as
painful sometimes as watching Jim chew the scenery in later years.)
I agree -- which is why I haven't shelled out the bucks for the DVDs. I've got
the boxed set of VHS tapes; that's all I need of season one, really. And I only
bought them in the first place in the interests of completion.
--
Kamil
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killing people, we help them."
Willow: "Sitting right here!"
"Selfless" BtVS
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Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 16:19:49 -0600
From: Wendy Urvand <hilanders@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: A couple of Questions
I found the lyrics to One Dream at this site:
http://www.foreignerfiles.com/members/shadowking/sounds/sounds.htm
You have to scroll down a little way to find them.
Wendy
>
>Does anyone know where I can find the lyrics to
>Highlander 2 Renegade Version's 'One Dream' song, the
>end title song?
>
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