HIGHLA-L Digest - 7 Sep 2002 to 8 Sep 2002 - Special issue (#2002-138)
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Topics in this special issue:
1. PW in Vancouver video
2. Doc Anne (wasQs (was-- Re: D & P's power (was" Highlander 5?")) (3)
3. (OT) Another one bites the dust..... (12)
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Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 12:52:13 +1000
From: Sonja van den Ende <sonjav@powerup.com.au>
Subject: PW in Vancouver video
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Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 16:58:04 -1000
From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Doc Anne (wasQs (was-- Re: D & P's power (was" Highlander 5?"))
me before--
> > True--it was SUPPOSED to be ugly, to reflect the ugliness of who Daimler
> > was. That whole ep was ugly. Doc Anne being unusually (even for her)
> > bitchy & vacilating all over DM's heart at the end was ugliest of all.
ZK--
> She thought she could, but she couldn't, and she said why. In
> context of what she'd seen and been through, it was completely
> understandable... Personally, I
> cut her some slack when she changed her mind at the end of - um -
> Mortal Sins?
Maybe I would have, too, except I really disliked the character.
Looking back & w/ the benefit of several discussions on Anne here &
elsewhere, it really seems to me that she fell far short of what she was
supposed to be & was both badly written & badly portrayed. Doc Anne was
touted as a brilliant professional--a caring & skilled doctor, an
independent & gorgeous woman--a mortal woman DM could admire & even love.
BUT, Anne never came close to that. When DM was w/ Tessa or Amanda
(completely disparate characters), it was obvious that he cared for them
deeply & WHY he did so. When he was w/ Anne, I was constantly going "huh?"
Miniskirts & tight sweaters sabotaged the character--an all-business ER doc.
Bad hair (unless one LIKES the chipmunk look) went a long way to making Lisa
Howard look unattractive, compared to how pretty & even sexy she was on
Earth: Final Conflict, for example. Anne was ALWAYS cranky about
something--DM or otherwise--while a winning attitude could have helped
immensely. That's where I blame LH in part, as she gave Anne zero charm,
grace & humor. DM is a special guy is LOTS of ways, & it strains credulity
that he'd spend much time enjoying the company of a frumpy grump.
Far more important, however, were the gaffes Doc Anne made professionally.
Let's see--Anne violated her lover's privacy by seeking out his medical
records w/o permission. She also prescribed sleeping pills to said
lover--despite NOT being his doctor, knowing he hadn't been seen by another
doctor, & suspecting he was dangerously distraught. Then, she
"accidentally" got pregnant; admittedly, that's personal rather than
professional, but in a DOCTOR & in these circumstances, I find it to be
overwhelmingly dumb. Worst of all, probably, she risked herself, the life
of her soon-to-be born child, & the lives of emergency workers & her
assistant when she insisted on defying orders & entering the collapsed
subway; as it happened, her co-worker died due to her stupid decision. (The
fact that The Blitz was in season 4, AFTER Mortal Sins, isn't all that
relevant since her actions in The Blitz were completely in character.)
And, then there's what happened when DM & Anne had to (& that's what it
looked like to me--like they HAD TO do it, as in a gun to their heads) kiss
or make love. Dying fish flopping around in a smelly boat bottom appear to
be having more fun. Some people/characters/actors just have no c________.
Nina
mac.westie@verizon.net
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Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 20:19:09 -0700
From: Jen <Data@cyberg8t.com>
Subject: Re: (OT) Another one bites the dust.....
Frell frell frell frell frell! *grumbles* I like that show, too!! Ugh.
Scifi said that they didn't want anymore space shows and it seems that they
are kicking out the current space shows, too.
*grumbles about how the B5LR series never came into existance and now this*
Grrr....*goes to brood*
Jen
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From: "John Mosby (B)" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU>
Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 5:10 AM
Subject: (OT) Another one bites the dust.....
> Sooooooooo.
>
> Farscape cancelled. Officially
>
> Well.......frell.
>
>
> John
>
>
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Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 00:09:51 -0500
From: Basaxl <Basaxl@camalott.com>
Subject: Re: (OT) Another one bites the dust.....
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Where do you keep getting the cancel rumors????- Farscape has been
officially renewed for its fourth and fifth seasons on the SCI FI Channel,
making it the longest-running original series in the channel's history.
SCI FI congratulated Farscape, which earned this year's Saturn Award for
Best Syndicated/Cable Television Series, and series star Ben Browder, who
received the Saturn Award for Best Actor on Television.I don't think they
want to kill a show that has this much going for it.
NEW EPISODES of Farscape will return in January of 2003, when SEASON FOUR
continues! This was taken directly from the SciFi site.
Basaxl
>Frell frell frell frell frell! *grumbles* I like that show, too!! Ugh.
>
>Scifi said that they didn't want anymore space shows and it seems that they
>are kicking out the current space shows, too.
>
>*grumbles about how the B5LR series never came into existance and now this*
>
>Grrr....*goes to brood*
>
>Jen
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>From: "John Mosby (B)" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
>To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU>
>Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 5:10 AM
>Subject: (OT) Another one bites the dust.....
>
>
>> Sooooooooo.
>>
>> Farscape cancelled. Officially
>>
>> Well.......frell.
>>
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>
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Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 02:02:59 EDT
From: Ashton7@aol.com
Subject: Re: (OT) Another one bites the dust.....
In a message dated 9/8/02 1:14:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
Basaxl@camalott.com writes:
<< Where do you keep getting the cancel rumors????- Farscape has been
officially renewed for its fourth and fifth seasons on the SCI FI Channel, >>
SciFi has chosen not to exercise their option for the 5th season. This is
according to the producer and Ben Browder, who told fans last night:
http://www.farscapeworld.com/news/1031347352.shtml
Apparently they are shooting the last episode and the sets are due to be
struck next week.
Annie
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Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 02:35:41 -0400
From: KLZ3 <KZIMMERMAN3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: (OT) Another one bites the dust.....
> -Debbie (aggravated by shows that get canceled right after a
> cliffhanger end-of-season episode)
Oh, you want one like that, how about Robin of Sherwood? Marion
is probably *still* in that daggoned convent and Robert is still
moping.
ZK (WHY was Farscape cancelled?)(Sheesh!)(Next thing they'll
cancel Captain Kangaroo!)(Oh, wait, they did)
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Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 02:41:16 -0400
From: KLZ3 <KZIMMERMAN3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: (OT) Another one bites the dust.....
> Scifi said that they didn't want anymore space shows and it seems that
> they
> are kicking out the current space shows, too.
WHAT?!? Are they nuts? The meat of Sci-Fi has *always* been
space shows! So they're going to do "All Steven King, All the
Time"?
I haven't gotten as intrigued by a show for as long as I did on
HL since HL. I liked Due South; recorded it even, but haven't
watched it since. Stargate? I got so annoyed at no new eps for
months on end that I dumped Showtime and stopped watching it.
ZK
(Clancy Brown is in Breaking News)(Looks good)(Why am I up
watching it?)
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Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 08:53:02 +0200
From: Marina Bailey <tmar@sifl.iid.co.za>
Subject: Re: (OT) Another one bites the dust.....
Barbara wrote:
>Has anyone studied people like us? Seriously. Maybe there is a URL for a
>research paper or essay somewhere? Ones who tend to watch sci-fi/fantasy
>shows (aka shows-that-keep-getting-cancelled) rather than ordinary
>shows? I have recognized listers from here on both my Farscape and
>Witchblade lists so there is some sort of common thread weaving through us.
I don't know if that specific thing has been studied, but maybe it
should be. In my experience there are a lot of us, we're just far
apart geographically. I often recognize people from other (often
obscure) fandoms, too.
>I ask this because I live in a VERY rural area and sometimes feel very
>alone. Not *lonely*, but *alone* if that makes sense.
I understand completely where you are coming from. Imagine being one
of only two people in the entire country (that you know of) who
likes slash. And when the other person (hi Tarryn) is over 400 miles
away, things get a bit difficult. Science fiction is still considered
"weird" here; most people of every colour and culture are addicted
to sport (including cricket, the most boring game ever invented). We
can't even have conventions because so few people would show up. Even
science fiction gatherings only attract 50 or so people. We're getting
a bit more SF on TV now (during apartheid, science fiction was a HUGE
no-no; it advocated all sorts of "dangerous" ideas - our local
broadcaster, the SABC, never even showed all of Classic Trek - too
liberal for their tastes), but there are still very few people who
like that kind of thing in this country.
(For some reason, though, Highlander was extremely popular. At one
stage it was the #1 show on TV here!)
>Barbara (who admits to watching Survivor though)
Don't worry, I used to watch it too. I got over it during the
one where they were on the tropical island. Talk about boring!
(I don't even know - or care - who won.)
>(and thanks goodness that 24 is coming back or she would overdose
>on HGTV's decorating shows)
That sounds like me. Too many decorating shows on BBC Prime. :)
- Marina.
\\ "You've heard it said that living well is ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
// the best revenge? Au contraire - living || R I C H I E >> \\
\\ forever is the best revenge." - Lacroix ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
//=====Marina Bailey====tmar@sifl.iid.co.za====|| \\
\\=============Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie============//
"There is a Daniel Jackson-shaped hole in that show." - My brother,
about the sixth season of Stargate SG-1.
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Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 08:55:07 +0200
From: Marina Bailey <tmar@sifl.iid.co.za>
Subject: Re: (OT) Another one bites the dust.....
ZK wrote:
>(Clancy Brown is in Breaking News)(Looks good)(Why am I up
>watching it?)
Good point. It must be like 2 in the morning over there.
- Marina.
\\ "You've heard it said that living well is ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
// the best revenge? Au contraire - living || R I C H I E >> \\
\\ forever is the best revenge." - Lacroix ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
//=====Marina Bailey====tmar@sifl.iid.co.za====|| \\
\\=============Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie============//
"There is a Daniel Jackson-shaped hole in that show." - My brother,
about the sixth season of Stargate SG-1.
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Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 05:19:04 -0500
From: Basaxl <Basaxl@camalott.com>
Subject: Re: (OT) Another one bites the dust.....
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Whoops,I guess I should have stated that my letter was written tongue in
cheek.The series wins a Saturn award for best show and the SciFi channel
pats Farscape with one hand and slits their throat with the other.I'm so
*George Carlined* off I can't see straight.I've already written to the
programing director with the names of twenty five people who watch it here
and their e-mail addies.I know it probably won't do any good but I feel
better knowing I tried.You'll have to excuse me,I'm venting!This is the
first show since Highlander that I've really gotten into.My friends and I
are also writing the companies that advertise during the Farscape hour and
letting them know how unhappy we are at the show being canceled.Little
Friskies may get switched to Nine Lives because it upsets me every time I
think of the series being canceled and my 22 cats really LIKE Little
Friskies LOL!!!
I started supporting Little Friskies because they sponsored my fav show.
Think it'll work?? Sigh, me neither....I've been here too many times.I
think I'll go to Ginny's website and try to meditate and center myself.I do
wish there was something we could do to save the show.....
with you in pain
Basaxl
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Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 08:40:28 EDT
From: Bizarro7@aol.com
Subject: Re: (OT) Another one bites the dust.....
In a message dated 9/7/02 11:19:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Data@cyberg8t.com writes:
<< Scifi said that they didn't want anymore space shows and it seems that they
are kicking out the current space shows, too.
*grumbles about how the B5LR series never came into existance and now this*
Grrr....*goes to brood* >>
I remember seeing that press release about the Sci-Fi Channel 'not wanting
anymore space shows' with some bemusement. This would explain why they've
hardly used the Stargate itself this season, on the show of the same name.
It's been mostly Earthbound intrigue, something the writers deny upon
question.
Leah
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Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 14:00:23 +0100
From: "John Mosby (B)" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: (OT) Another one bites the dust.....
As always, it seems that there is more/less going on than initially
reported. Though the show HAS been cancelled, it may not have been Sci-Fi's
preffered decision....
Check out this chat with Anthony Simcoe (who played D'Argo)......
http://community.spacecast.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=00
1147
John
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Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 09:54:03 -0400
From: Karla <julkm@cox.net>
Subject: Re: (OT) Another one bites the dust.....
And the latest tv guide lists it at the beginning with returning shows. It
says it returns in January of 2003.
> Where do you keep getting the cancel rumors????- Farscape has been
> officially renewed for its fourth and fifth seasons on the SCI FI Channel,
> making it the longest-running original series in the channel's history.
> SCI FI congratulated Farscape, which earned this year's Saturn Award for
> Best Syndicated/Cable Television Series, and series star Ben Browder, who
> received the Saturn Award for Best Actor on Television.I don't think they
> want to kill a show that has this much going for it.
> NEW EPISODES of Farscape will return in January of 2003, when SEASON FOUR
> continues! This was taken directly from the SciFi site.
> Basaxl
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >Frell frell frell frell frell! *grumbles* I like that show, too!! Ugh.
> >
> >Scifi said that they didn't want anymore space shows and it seems that
they
> >are kicking out the current space shows, too.
> >
> >*grumbles about how the B5LR series never came into existance and now
this*
> >
> >Grrr....*goes to brood*
> >
> >Jen
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "John Mosby (B)" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
> >To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU>
> >Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 5:10 AM
> >Subject: (OT) Another one bites the dust.....
> >
> >
> >> Sooooooooo.
> >>
> >> Farscape cancelled. Officially
> >>
> >> Well.......frell.
> >>
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >>
> >
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Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 15:10:36 +0100
From: "John Mosby (B)" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: (OT) Another one bites the dust.....
No, there's some confusion here, so let's clarify.
Farscape HAS been cancelled. Though the show was seemingly renewed for two
seasons (taking it to five in total), there was apparently a clause in the
contract that could be implemented if Sci-Fi were unhappy with ratings.
Though there seem to be other (lesser) factors involved - such as the
financial problems of EM TV, the company that owns Henson - it appears to be
Sci-Fi that have decided not to take the option of the fifth season.
While there has been no word from Henson or Sci-Fi (probably as every
eventuality is being explored), David Kemper, Richard Manning and Ben
Browder did do an *official* chat on Friday and revealed that the sets would
be torn down forever in just over a week's time. Pilot is already dismantled
and boxed! Kemper, Manning and Browder said that the only chance wa sa
massive fan response, though this would have to be immediate to have any
response.
The confusion over 'new' episodes comes from the fact that Sci-Fi has split
both Stargate and Farscape into two half seasons. The US has seen the first
half of these seasons, though the most recent 'new' episodes were often
inaccurately referred to (even by Sci-Fi) as 'season finales'. Each season
is actually 22 episodes long and the remaining 11 shows of the fourth
Farscape season will be seen in the US in the new year. Then that's it.
It is possible, yet again, that the UK will see th eend of SG1 and Farscape
ahead of our friends across the big pond.
There's more information beign updated at:
http://farscape.wdsection.com/index.html
John
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From: "Karla" <julkm@cox.net>
To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU>
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [HL] (OT) Another one bites the dust.....
> And the latest tv guide lists it at the beginning with returning shows. It
> says it returns in January of 2003.
>
>
>
>
>
> > Where do you keep getting the cancel rumors????- Farscape has been
> > officially renewed for its fourth and fifth seasons on the SCI FI
Channel,
> > making it the longest-running original series in the channel's history.
> > SCI FI congratulated Farscape, which earned this year's Saturn Award for
> > Best Syndicated/Cable Television Series, and series star Ben Browder,
who
> > received the Saturn Award for Best Actor on Television.I don't think
they
> > want to kill a show that has this much going for it.
> > NEW EPISODES of Farscape will return in January of 2003, when SEASON
FOUR
> > continues! This was taken directly from the SciFi site.
> > Basaxl
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >Frell frell frell frell frell! *grumbles* I like that show, too!! Ugh.
> > >
> > >Scifi said that they didn't want anymore space shows and it seems that
> they
> > >are kicking out the current space shows, too.
> > >
> > >*grumbles about how the B5LR series never came into existance and now
> this*
> > >
> > >Grrr....*goes to brood*
> > >
> > >Jen
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "John Mosby (B)" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
> > >To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU>
> > >Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 5:10 AM
> > >Subject: (OT) Another one bites the dust.....
> > >
> > >
> > >> Sooooooooo.
> > >>
> > >> Farscape cancelled. Officially
> > >>
> > >> Well.......frell.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> John
> > >>
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Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 11:07:32 -0400
From: Elaine Nicol <ElaineN@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Doc Anne (wasQs (was-- Re: D & P's power (was" Highlander 5?"))
It's been a long time since I got involved in any of these sort of
discussions but Dr Anne needs someone to defend her here. :-) So here
goes.<EG>
I think the primary complaint against Anne was that she wasn't Tessa or
Amanda. Just my opinion.
>>
Miniskirts & tight sweaters sabotaged the character <<
I agree with this, but I do also realise that was wardrobe that did that.
>> Anne was ALWAYS cranky about something--DM or otherwise--while a winning
attitude could have helped immensely. <<
I didn't find her that way - yes sometimes she was cranky but aren't we
all, often when she wasn't cranky Duncan was.
>> That's where I blame LH in part, as she gave Anne zero charm,
grace & humor. <<
I'm sorry but I have to completely disagree with you here.
>> DM is a special guy is LOTS of ways, & it strains credulity
that he'd spend much time enjoying the company of a frumpy grump. <<
He is also a complete pain in the bahooky at times, arrogant and selfish
fairly typical Scottish male actually.
>> Let's see--Anne violated her lover's privacy by seeking out his medical
records w/o permission. <<
Okay it was unprofessional - but the man you have just started seeing you
are really interested in him and then you start to realise there is
something odd about him, no I don't think she did anything most of us
wouldn't do in the same situation.
>> She also prescribed sleeping pills to said
lover--despite NOT being his doctor, <<
At that point she was dealing with him as a lover and friend. How often
have you given someone asprin or any other bit of medicine without knowing
if they have an allergy - I know I have.
>> Then, she "accidentally" got pregnant; admittedly, that's personal
rather than professional, but in a DOCTOR & in these circumstances, I find
it to be overwhelmingly dumb. <<
In normal circumstance yes, but how many women have got themselves into
trouble of one sort or another while suffering through grief, she was
trying to recover from losing Duncan - and before you throw stones at her
for that what was the first thing Duncan did after losing Tessa - Annie
Devlin. Point is Anne wasn't thinking straight and personally if she had
been the cold perfect person that people seemed to want her to be Duncan
would never have looked at her twice.
>> Worst of all, probably, she risked herself, the life
of her soon-to-be born child, & the lives of emergency workers <<
So now she behaves like the professional everyone wants her to be and that
is wrong too, can't win can she.
Anne was someone thrown into an amazing situation ask yourself how you
would react - I for one really don't know - oh in the nice cozy fictional
world of Highlander I would love it, but in the real world well that's a
different game.
Personally I don't think anything Anne did would have made the fans love
her - the majority of fans wanted Tessa back I know I did, but I grew to
love Anne too.
Don't get me wrong with all this criticism of Duncan I love him dearly
faults and all, and he has plenty of those it was one of the things that
made him real.
Elaine.
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Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 12:12:47 -0400
From: Sandy Fields <diamonique@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Doc Anne (wasQs (was-- Re: D & P's power (was" Highlander 5?"))
At 11:07 AM 09/08/02, Elaine Nicol wrote:
>It's been a long time since I got involved in any of these sort of
>discussions but Dr Anne needs someone to defend her here. :-) So here
>goes.<EG>
And I'll jump in after you. :-)
>I think the primary complaint against Anne was that she wasn't Tessa or
>Amanda. Just my opinion.
I think you'd be wrong here. I think, as Nina said, that Anne was supposed
to be a great love for Duncan (as stated by Adrian in an AOL chat before
Anne's first season), but she was written and acted contrary to that end. I
thought the whole idea of Duncan falling in love with a smart independent
woman was great... but the whole thing lost a lot in the translation. I
immediately liked her the first couple of times we were introduced to her
(I loved how she made him leave the hospital <g>), and I was looking
forward to watching the relationship develop. But once the two of them
started dating, and we began to see more of the character, there were
things about her that just didn't work for me. Lack of c_________ between
the two characters was a major problem.
Nina:
>Miniskirts & tight sweaters sabotaged the character <<
Elaine:
>I agree with this, but I do also realise that was wardrobe that did that.
Me:
Of course it was. And that is one of the reasons the character didn't
work. Whoever planned Dr. Ann's wardrobe should be shot. Wardrobe helps to
define a character, and this was a totally wacked definition IMO.
Nina:
> >> Anne was ALWAYS cranky about something--DM or otherwise--while a
> winning attitude could have helped immensely. <<
Elaine:
>I didn't find her that way - yes sometimes she was cranky but aren't we
>all, often when she wasn't cranky Duncan was.
Me:
But that's beside the point of the discussion. We're talking about Dr.
Anne, who we -- the audience -- were supposed to accept (maybe even
embrace) as Duncan's love interest. Making her cranky all the time doesn't
serve to endear the character to the audience. We needed to see something
in this character that would show us why Duncan was so interested in
her. We were never shown anything like that.
Nina:
> >> That's where I blame LH in part, as she gave Anne zero charm,
>grace & humor. <<
Elaine:
>I'm sorry but I have to completely disagree with you here.
Me:
I'm with Nina on that one. :-) No charm, no humor.
Nina:
> >> DM is a special guy is LOTS of ways, & it strains credulity that he'd
> spend much time enjoying the company of a frumpy grump. <<
Elaine:
>He is also a complete pain in the bahooky at times, arrogant and selfish
>fairly typical Scottish male actually.
Me:
Yep. I'll agree there. But again... that's not the point of the
discussion. We're not analyzing Duncan. We're analyzing Anne. Also,
those characteristics of Duncan's personality are good reasons for him
*not* to be interested in Anne.
Nina:
> >> Let's see--Anne violated her lover's privacy by seeking out his
> medical records w/o permission. <<
Elaine:
>Okay it was unprofessional - but the man you have just started seeing you
>are really interested in him and then you start to realise there is
>something odd about him, no I don't think she did anything most of us
>wouldn't do in the same situation.
Me.
I'll agree on that one. But I always wondered what she planned to do with
the info... if she had found anything. And the fact that she didn't find
anything (something that was even more questionable and mysterious) didn't
seem to be a major issue with her (unless I'm forgetting something, which
is entirely possible). So what was the point?
Nina:
> >> She also prescribed sleeping pills to said lover--despite NOT being
> his doctor, <<
Elaine:
>At that point she was dealing with him as a lover and friend. How often
>have you given someone asprin or any other bit of medicine without knowing
>if they have an allergy - I know I have.
I'll agree with you here. I think that although this is a no-no, I'm sure
plenty of doctors do this. So for me, this didn't put a checkmark in the
"against Anne" column.
Nina:
> >> Then, she "accidentally" got pregnant; admittedly, that's personal
> rather than professional, but in a DOCTOR & in these circumstances, I
> find it to be overwhelmingly dumb. <<
Elaine:
>In normal circumstance yes, but how many women have got themselves into
>trouble of one sort or another while suffering through grief, she was
>trying to recover from losing Duncan - and before you throw stones at her
>for that what was the first thing Duncan did after losing Tessa - Annie Devlin.
Me:
Um... I don't know that this was the point Nina was making. I think we
understand the sex part (at least I do). It's the getting pregnant part
that was dumb. Doesn't this woman use birth control? Did she immediately
stop using it when Duncan "died"? Having sex doesn't have to result in
pregnancy.
Elaine:
>Point is Anne wasn't thinking straight and personally if she had been the
>cold perfect person that people seemed to want her to be Duncan would
>never have looked at her twice.
To me she *was* cold. There was no warmth in this character.
Nina:
> >> Worst of all, probably, she risked herself, the life of her soon-to-be
> born child, & the lives of emergency workers <<
Elaine:
>So now she behaves like the professional everyone wants her to be and that
>is wrong too, can't win can she.
Me:
I don't see that as professional behavior at all.
Elaine:
>Anne was someone thrown into an amazing situation ask yourself how you
>would react - I for one really don't know - oh in the nice cozy fictional
>world of Highlander I would love it, but in the real world well that's a
>different game.
Me:
So true. But I think I can be 99% sure that -- all things being equal -- I
wouldn't have gone down into the bowels of that blown-up building.
Elaine:
>Personally I don't think anything Anne did would have made the fans love
>her - the majority of fans wanted Tessa back I know I did, but I grew to
>love Anne too.
I never knew Tessa. I came into HL after Tessa was out of the show. And I
do think there's something that could have been done to help the fans warm
to Anne. They could have shown the development of the relationship between
the two characters. We needed to see some warm fuzzy moments... some sparks
between them. Did they ever have any fun together? Did they ever have any
special bonding moments.. either in bed or out? We needed to be let in on
the growth of the relationship (and a happy non-cranky Anne) before
circumstances made the relationship start to go sour so we could understand
Duncan's feelings for her and also see another side to her besides just the
cranky, awkwardness.
If we had been able to understand his feelings for her -- even if we didn't
think she was right for him -- the really bad parts would have had more
oomph... they would have been more effective... because we would have felt
Duncan's loss. But we couldn't feel bad about him losing her if we were
never able to feel his love for her.
>Don't get me wrong with all this criticism of Duncan I love him dearly
>faults and all, and he has plenty of those it was one of the things that
>made him real.
I'll definitely agree here.
-- Sandy
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