HIGHLA-L Digest - 24 Feb 2002 to 25 Feb 2002 (#2002-20)
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Topics of the day:
1. PW in Bliss
2. Mortal Secret Organizations (9)
3. EG's commercial (2)
4. Highlander "The Immortal Edition" DVD in April
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Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 19:37:45 -0800
From: "M. Vrzoc" <vrzoc@yahoo.com>
Subject: PW in Bliss
Any idea as to the title of the episode of the erotic series, Bliss, that PW
appears in? TMN in Canada is premiering the 8x20 min eps in March (first 4
back to back on March 21 and the second group of 4 on March 28).
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Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 00:18:43 -0800
From: Jen <data@cyberg8t.com>
Subject: Mortal Secret Organizations
I'm just curious if anyone knew here, because I sure don't. Was the
idea of the Watchers obtained by from either Anne Rice's organization,
the Talamasca (yep, I saw Queen of the Damned tonight! *grins*) or Buffy
the Vampire Slayer movie? Queen of the Damned was written in 1988,
placing it prior to the HL tv show. BtVS, the original movie, came out
in 1992, which would be about the same time as the HL tv show starting,
but not the end of the season when Horton first appeared.
What got me thinking about the Talamasca tonight is that in Queen of the
Damned, there's a scene set at the Talamasca, and someone mentions the
Watcher creed: "Observe, Record, but Never Interfere." I did some
reserach (and I spoke to my friend's mom that had read Queen of the
Damned recently) and I found that the Talamasca creed is: "We watch.
And we are always there." I'm beting that the Watchers are based on the
Talamasca, instead of the Watcher organization in BtVS. Has this been
stated by TPTB for sure?
Jen
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Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:40:37 -0500
From: Freddy Mora <freddyamc@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Mortal Secret Organizations
Well,
Though I never got to read the whole queen of the damned (I lost my
book in a trip and never bought it again) Now that you mention it... It is
just the same kind of organization... now, I can reassure you that they
worked very much the same way, in fact in White-Wolf's role playing games
there is a there is game in their world of darkness called "Hunter" wich
pretty much reminds me of the currupted watcher killing inmortals, but the
Hunters of the role playing game kill vampires, werewolves (not quite the
same werewolves you know about, a different kind), Changelings, etc.
I really would very much like to hear the answer to Jen's question, it
really interests me. I will see you around...
Fred
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Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 07:58:43 -0700
From: Barbara Osgood Designs <hairbows@northerntel.net>
Subject: Re: Mortal Secret Organizations
At 02/25/2002 12:18 AM -0800, Jen wrote:
>I'm beting that the Watchers are based on the
>Talamasca, instead of the Watcher organization in BtVS. Has this been
>stated by TPTB for sure?
I don't recall a Watcher in the Buffy movie, just her trainer, Donald
Sutherland. Did he say he was a Watcher? As for the Talamasca, I seem to
recall hearing about a secret organization like that, but can't say when or
where I first heard about it. I thought in college, (late 70's early 80's),
which I believe would predate the Vampire Chronicles. I'm not sure if the
Talamasca is this group and Anne Rice is using what she knows of them for
her books, or if she made them up based on this supposedly real organization.
Barbara
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Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 07:59:53 -0700
From: Barbara Osgood Designs <hairbows@northerntel.net>
Subject: EG's commercial
I believe I saw Elizabeth Gracen in a match.com commercial playing Fate? If
so, her hair is shoulder length and dark now.
Barbara
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Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:37:37 EST
From: Dotiran@aol.com
Subject: Re: EG's commercial
<<I believe I saw Elizabeth Gracen in a match.com commercial playing Fate? If
so, her hair is shoulder length and dark now.
It is she and yes she has long hair now. She got some hair extensions. It looks really good. I think her new boyfriend, the one who was at Reunion con with her is the director [or maybe producer] of that commercial.
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Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:58:11 -0500
From: Ace!Miracle <kad82987@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu>
Subject: Re: Highlander "The Immortal Edition" DVD in April
On Sun, 24 Feb 2002, Gerry Alanguilan wrote:
> The first version will be a movie-only version, featuring only a Commentary
> Track with director Russell Mulcahy and the film’s producers Peter S. Davis
> and William N. Panzer, as well as Trailers and Biographies to round out the
> release.
> The second version that Anchor Bay will release is entitled The Immortal
> Edition, a limited edition that will contain a bonus CD. Apart from the
> features of the standard edition, this version will also include the
[snip]
> an extended version of “One Year Of Love” and “Friends Will Be Friends.
For those who haven't seen these: "One Year of Love" video, it's got lots
of HL clips in it, as well as clips from other videos (including some of
Freddie's solo work.) "Who Wants To Live Forever?" contains no movie
footage--just the guys, an orchestra, a choir, and lots of candles.
"Friends" is a small-stage performance video. "Princes" has movie footage
interspersed with clips of the guys performing, and Freddie even duels
with Chris Lambert briefly.
(This is all ASSuming they use the normal videos, not things that have
been compiled especially for the DVD.)
I haven't really *looked* for this supposedly low-quality DVD, but now I'm
glad I didn't invest the money. I'll wait for the one with the FWBF video,
which is the only one of these I don't have. :)
--Miracle
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Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:08:31 -0800
From: Kintoun <kintoun@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Mortal Secret Organizations
Jen wrote:
> I'm just curious if anyone knew here, because I sure don't. Was the
> idea of the Watchers obtained by from either Anne Rice's organization,
> the Talamasca (yep, I saw Queen of the Damned tonight! *grins*) or Buffy
> the Vampire Slayer movie? Queen of the Damned was written in 1988,
> placing it prior to the HL tv show. BtVS, the original movie, came out
> in 1992, which would be about the same time as the HL tv show starting,
> but not the end of the season when Horton first appeared.
It's also very possible that the Watchers from the Highlander TV series were
based on the Watchers from Marvel comics. They made their first appearance
in Fantastic Four #48 which was published in 1966. Although the Watchers
from the Marvel Universe are aliens, they live by the exact same rules as
Highlander's Watchers. You can find a bit more information on these cosmic
comic book characters at the Silver Surfer Bible:
http://www.tvwriter.com/ssu2.html
Kintoun
> Jen
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Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 14:43:46 -0800
From: Jen <data@cyberg8t.com>
Subject: Re: Mortal Secret Organizations
Kintoun wrote:
>
> Jen wrote:
>
> > I'm just curious if anyone knew here, because I sure don't. Was the
> > idea of the Watchers obtained by from either Anne Rice's organization,
> > the Talamasca (yep, I saw Queen of the Damned tonight! *grins*) or Buffy
> > the Vampire Slayer movie? Queen of the Damned was written in 1988,
> > placing it prior to the HL tv show. BtVS, the original movie, came out
> > in 1992, which would be about the same time as the HL tv show starting,
> > but not the end of the season when Horton first appeared.
>
> It's also very possible that the Watchers from the Highlander TV series were
> based on the Watchers from Marvel comics. They made their first appearance
> in Fantastic Four #48 which was published in 1966. Although the Watchers
> from the Marvel Universe are aliens, they live by the exact same rules as
> Highlander's Watchers. You can find a bit more information on these cosmic
> comic book characters at the Silver Surfer Bible:
> http://www.tvwriter.com/ssu2.html
>
> Kintoun
>
> > Jen
Wow, I never even thought of those Watchers. I'm quite familiar with those Watchers
with my eleven years of reading Marvel Comics off and on. I can't remember, but they
don't keep track of specific events, do they?
Jen
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Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 16:30:19 -0800
From: Kintoun <kintoun@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Mortal Secret Organizations
Jen wrote:
> Kintoun wrote:
> > It's also very possible that the Watchers from the Highlander TV series were
> > based on the Watchers from Marvel comics. They made their first appearance
> > in Fantastic Four #48 which was published in 1966. Although the Watchers
> > from the Marvel Universe are aliens, they live by the exact same rules as
> > Highlander's Watchers. You can find a bit more information on these cosmic
> > comic book characters at the Silver Surfer Bible:
> > http://www.tvwriter.com/ssu2.html
> >
> > > Jen
>
> Wow, I never even thought of those Watchers. I'm quite familiar with those Watchers
> with my eleven years of reading Marvel Comics off and on. I can't remember, but they
> don't keep track of specific events, do they?
Absolutely. They observe and record positively everything occurring on a given world no
matter how unimportant. Joe Dawson's job and Uatu's duty are practically identical.
Marvel Universe Watchers chronicle the history of entire planets yet vow never to
interfere. Watchers in the Highlander franchise chronicle the history of immortals and
The Game yet vow never to interfere.
Kintoun
> Jen
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Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 19:54:13 -0500
From: Freddy Mora <freddyamc@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Mortal Secret Organizations
how about this???? I found this in a web site i found...
http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~forest/vamipre/tala.html
THE TALAMASCA
Investigators of the Paranormal
We watch
And are always here.
London Amsterdam Rome
The Talamasca, meaning "Animal Mask" from the Latin, are a secret society,
set up, as their calling card says, to watch the paranormal in action. The
name Talamasca was also an old term to describe a witch or a shamen. Their
basements are filled with records of phenomena such as Witches, Spirits,
Werewolves and of course Vampires. Welcoming people with paranormal powers
to visit them, occasionally they become aware of individuals with
particularly strong powers, these people are investigated and offered a
place with their group, but are not obliged to accept the position, though
almost invariably they will.
The Talamasca demand complete obedience, loyalty and devotion from their
members.
Relevant Talamasca Members
Jesse
Aaron Lightner
Raglan James
David Talbot
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
sharon
See you around...
Fred
>From: Jen <data@CYBERG8T.COM>
>Reply-To: Highlander movies and TV series <HIGHLA-L@lists.psu.edu>
>To: HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU
>Subject: Mortal Secret Organizations
>Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 00:18:43 -0800
>
>I'm just curious if anyone knew here, because I sure don't. Was the
>idea of the Watchers obtained by from either Anne Rice's organization,
>the Talamasca (yep, I saw Queen of the Damned tonight! *grins*) or Buffy
>the Vampire Slayer movie? Queen of the Damned was written in 1988,
>placing it prior to the HL tv show. BtVS, the original movie, came out
>in 1992, which would be about the same time as the HL tv show starting,
>but not the end of the season when Horton first appeared.
>
>What got me thinking about the Talamasca tonight is that in Queen of the
>Damned, there's a scene set at the Talamasca, and someone mentions the
>Watcher creed: "Observe, Record, but Never Interfere." I did some
>reserach (and I spoke to my friend's mom that had read Queen of the
>Damned recently) and I found that the Talamasca creed is: "We watch.
>And we are always there." I'm beting that the Watchers are based on the
>Talamasca, instead of the Watcher organization in BtVS. Has this been
>stated by TPTB for sure?
>
>Jen
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Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 19:56:25 -0500
From: Freddy Mora <freddyamc@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Mortal Secret Organizations
Of course that is the stuff of Queen of the Damned...
Fred.
>From: Kintoun <kintoun@shaw.ca>
>Reply-To: Highlander movies and TV series <HIGHLA-L@lists.psu.edu>
>To: HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU
>Subject: Re: Mortal Secret Organizations
>Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 16:30:19 -0800
>
>Jen wrote:
>
> > Kintoun wrote:
> > > It's also very possible that the Watchers from the Highlander TV
>series were
> > > based on the Watchers from Marvel comics. They made their first
>appearance
> > > in Fantastic Four #48 which was published in 1966. Although the
>Watchers
> > > from the Marvel Universe are aliens, they live by the exact same rules
>as
> > > Highlander's Watchers. You can find a bit more information on these
>cosmic
> > > comic book characters at the Silver Surfer Bible:
> > > http://www.tvwriter.com/ssu2.html
> > >
> > > > Jen
> >
> > Wow, I never even thought of those Watchers. I'm quite familiar with
>those Watchers
> > with my eleven years of reading Marvel Comics off and on. I can't
>remember, but they
> > don't keep track of specific events, do they?
>
>Absolutely. They observe and record positively everything occurring on a
>given world no
>matter how unimportant. Joe Dawson's job and Uatu's duty are practically
>identical.
>Marvel Universe Watchers chronicle the history of entire planets yet vow
>never to
>interfere. Watchers in the Highlander franchise chronicle the history of
>immortals and
>The Game yet vow never to interfere.
>
>Kintoun
>
> > Jen
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Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:52:37 -0800
From: Jen <data@cyberg8t.com>
Subject: Re: Mortal Secret Organizations
Yep, that's basically the stuff that I found in my Guidebook to the Vampire Chronicles
thing.
Jen
Freddy Mora wrote:
>
> Of course that is the stuff of Queen of the Damned...
>
> Fred.
>
> >From: Kintoun <kintoun@shaw.ca>
> >Reply-To: Highlander movies and TV series <HIGHLA-L@lists.psu.edu>
> >To: HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU
> >Subject: Re: Mortal Secret Organizations
> >Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 16:30:19 -0800
> >
> >Jen wrote:
> >
> > > Kintoun wrote:
> > > > It's also very possible that the Watchers from the Highlander TV
> >series were
> > > > based on the Watchers from Marvel comics. They made their first
> >appearance
> > > > in Fantastic Four #48 which was published in 1966. Although the
> >Watchers
> > > > from the Marvel Universe are aliens, they live by the exact same rules
> >as
> > > > Highlander's Watchers. You can find a bit more information on these
> >cosmic
> > > > comic book characters at the Silver Surfer Bible:
> > > > http://www.tvwriter.com/ssu2.html
> > > >
> > > > > Jen
> > >
> > > Wow, I never even thought of those Watchers. I'm quite familiar with
> >those Watchers
> > > with my eleven years of reading Marvel Comics off and on. I can't
> >remember, but they
> > > don't keep track of specific events, do they?
> >
> >Absolutely. They observe and record positively everything occurring on a
> >given world no
> >matter how unimportant. Joe Dawson's job and Uatu's duty are practically
> >identical.
> >Marvel Universe Watchers chronicle the history of entire planets yet vow
> >never to
> >interfere. Watchers in the Highlander franchise chronicle the history of
> >immortals and
> >The Game yet vow never to interfere.
> >
> >Kintoun
> >
> > > Jen
>
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