HIGHLA-L Digest - 9 Sep 2001 to 10 Sep 2001 (#2001-260)
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Topics of the day:
1. OT Stargate SG 1 100 Episode on Tonight 8E/P
2. Ramiiiiiiiiirez!!!
3. OT: Tracker site
4. HL5 Rumour/a question
5. HL5 Rumour (9)
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Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 21:04:42 -0500
From: Jen <data@cyberg8t.com>
Subject: Re: OT Stargate SG 1 100 Episode on Tonight 8E/P
I thought it was going to be something with Peter Wingfield since he's the big baddie
alien who the team has been toiling with, but it was far from it. It was a rather
enjoyable episode and was quite funny at times. :)
Jen
Danni Butterfuss wrote:
>
> Just wanted to like all you Satgaters know Showtime will be showing
> episode 100 tonight 8:00 PM E and P times!
>
> Danni
>
> --
> MZ?
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Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 21:09:47 -0500
From: Jen <data@cyberg8t.com>
Subject: Re: Ramiiiiiiiiirez!!!
*marks the date down* Another one of those shows I don't usually watch but only catch
for guest stars. I lump Sheena and V.I.P. in that group, too (the actors guest
staring in those shows, in the coming season, are Patricia Tallman and Mira Furlan in
the first, Jason Carter in the second, all of Babylon 5 fame)...but Relic Hunter seems
to be managable, even if they go after silly things like Cleopatra's makeup case.
Jen
Dotiran@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 9/6/2001 7:27:32 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
> melito@mindspring.com writes:
>
> > *WHEN* on Relic Hunter??
> >
>
> Premiere is Sept. 16. AP's episode is the third one so we can judge it by
> that.
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Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 23:48:31 -0600
From: Barbara Osgood Designs <hairbows@northerntel.net>
Subject: Re: OT: Tracker site
At 09/09/2001 11:26 AM -0400, you wrote:
>At the Tracker site, if you click on
>http://trackertv.com/briefings.html you will get a listing of times and
>stations that will be airing Adrian's new series.
Sure are a lot of middle of the night time slots. Sigh.
Barbara
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Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 20:49:23 -0700
From: Jen Allen <jen@jendaveallen.com>
Subject: Re: HL5 Rumour/a question
KLZ wrote:
>
> If I dig out my HL tapes after - um - 3 years? and watch them,
> will I cringe at them? Has anyone else taken an expensive - er -
> extensive vacation from them and then watched them again? What
> was your reaction after that length of time?
I took a vacation, then pulled out the good Methos episodes for a
Highlander collection I put together.
Till Death, Indiscretions, Chivalry, The Messenger...they all hold up
very well. I didn't mind watching those scenes a bit. :-)
Of course, I stayed far away from The Zone and The Blitz...
<g>
Jen
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Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 01:44:30 -0500
From: Kevin Stiner <stinerkt@in.net>
Subject: Re: HL5 Rumour
Hey!
I'm ALL for anything Highlander! I will pay to see a new movie no matter
what critics say or what ticket prices are at the time. Hell, I'll even
see it twice just to make sure that my opinion of the new movie is
solidified. (And I'll also buy the DVD of course!)
That being said, I'm slightly concerned with the proposed title. "The
Source" kinda scares me.
Please tell me this wouldn't be another attempt to discover the origins
of immortals.....
OK, I know that titles can be deceiving. Just look at the new SW title
(Attack of the Clones). A majority of fans hate it, but it will still be
a SW movie, so EVERONE will go see it. And, I don't think the title
alone spills too much or will ruin the movie in any way.
However, "The Source" just scares me in regards to TPTB. They aren't as
reliable as George Lucas (and, no, I don't think GL is reliable
either... so what does that say about TPTB?).... ;-)
But, Flying Immortals may get the box office returns that TPTB need. So,
who am I to voice my opinion??
My diatribe was going to be longer but my logical argument was
prematurely halted due to my misunderstanding that it really IS all
about the money, not fan loyalty or other useless ideals like such....
Thanks George for proving this to us with The Phantom Menace.....
How about "Highlander 5: Watch What WE Can Do With Digital Cameras!" as
a proposed title? I think it would be a grand success and the future of
the fanchise would be secure for years to come!
Sorry,
Kevin
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Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 10:55:15 -0400
From: Elaine Nicol <ElaineN@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: HL5 Rumour
>> That being said, I'm slightly concerned with the proposed title. "The
Source" kinda scares me. <<
Actually it intrigues me. You are assume that the Source is the original
or the immortals, maybe it's the Source of the Game or the Source of the
Rules, or maybe the Source of something which has nothing to with actual
immortals......misleading titles can be fun.
>> OK, I know that titles can be deceiving. Just look at the new SW title
(Attack of the Clones). <<
Ooo don't start me on that one. But fans hated the title The Phantom
Menace too, but like you say we will all troop along to see it, even if it
was just called The Next Episode we'd go so it. Content is what really
matters.
Elaine.
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Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:40:16 -0400
From: Janeen Grohsmeyer <darkpanther@erols.com>
Subject: Re: HL5 Rumour
Elaine wrote:
>Misleading titles can be fun.
>
Like, say ... Endgame, which wasn't about the end of the Game at all. Or
"Highlander: The Raven," which didn't have a Highlander in it, and didn't
seem to have much to do with any large black bird.
> Content is what really
>matters.
>
True enough.
Though that's hardly an encouraging thought, is it?
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Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:23:56 -0400
From: Judy Schneider <judyas77@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: HL5 Rumour
Elaine said:
<snip>
>Ooo don't start me on that one. But fans hated the title The Phantom
>Menace too, but like you say we will all troop along to see it, even if it
>was just called The Next Episode we'd go so it. Content is what really
>matters.
>
I agree wholeheartedly. Content _is_ what matters. However, both Phantom
Mess and Endgame sorely lacked anything resembling _good_ content.
Judy, the Chocolate Slayer judyas77@hotmail.com
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Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:07:33 -0400
From: Elaine Nicol <ElaineN@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: HL5 Rumour
>> Like, say ... Endgame, which wasn't about the end of the Game at all. <<
Well when I first heard that name I thought of Adrian's love of chess it
featured in a few episodes.<G> Of course in one of the versions I have of
Endgame Duncan actually says during his fight with Kell says "Endgame Kell"
>> "Highlander: The Raven," which didn't have a Highlander in it, and
didn't seem to have much to do with any large black bird. <<
Well it was supposed to be more the Viking Raven. So if you take the Odin
or Viking connection and remember that the MacLeods were a clan of Viking
descent there is your connection to the Highlander.....see I knew there
would be a connection somewhere.<EG>
>>
Though that's hardly an encouraging thought, is it <<
I always try to stay optimistic.
Elaine.
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Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:07:35 -0400
From: Elaine Nicol <ElaineN@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: HL5 Rumour
>> However, both Phantom
Mess and Endgame sorely lacked anything resembling _good_ content. <<
Actually I'd have to disagree on both counts. I loved Phantom Menace, and
I mean really loved it.
But onto Endgame. I recently got the DVD version which has finally been
released in the UK, and to be honest I found that if I ignored what I had
seen in the other version I had got and the stuff I had read about the US
Release, so basically took it as a new movie, it wasn't that bad at all.
I have also spoken to others who feel the same way. It wasn't perfect and
I could nitpick on the timeline and some of the detail for hours but I also
have rationalisation for a lot of the stuff in it, but it was no where near
as bad as the version that seems to have been released in the US.
But to be honest I just saw the most fantastic movie, (yes Jette I'm gonna
rave about Moulin Rouge<EG>). I saw it last week when it was released here
and it just totally blew me away. I didn't expect to like it and was only
really going because Ewan McGregor was going to be there. So the movie
being brilliant was an amazing bonus. As I said to someone else it isn't
just a movie it's an experience.
Elaine.
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Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 17:37:23 -0400
From: Sandy Fields <diamonique@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: HL5 Rumour
At 02:07 PM 09/10/01, Elaine Nicol wrote:
>But onto Endgame. I recently got the DVD version which has finally been
>released in the UK, and to be honest I found that if I ignored what I had
>seen in the other version I had got and the stuff I had read about the US
>Release, so basically took it as a new movie, it wasn't that bad at all.
Well yeah. I agree, but that's not really the point. The movie that was
released is the one that counts, and it was pretty bad.
If the DVD version had been the one that was released in theaters, the
thought of another movie might have put a smile on my face instead of
making me want to kick something. :-)
-- Sandy
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Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:09:10 -0400
From: jjswbt@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: HL5 Rumour
Nina said:
>> Like, say ... Endgame, which wasn't about the end of the Game at all.
Elaine tries:
>Well when I first heard that name I thought of Adrian's love of chess it
>featured in a few episodes.<G> Of course in one of the versions I have of
>Endgame Duncan actually says during his fight with Kell says "Endgame Kell"
The use of "endgame" would have made more sense (would have made sense *period*) if there had been any portion of the plot that indicated a "game" was, in fact, being played. Kell was *not* playing with Connor since Connor had no idea he was being played *with*.There were no opposing strategies in place..no matching of wits. Duncan wasn't playing with Kell...Kell wasn't playing with Faith..Faith wasn't playing with Duncan or Kell. There was no "game" at all. We might argue that the Watchers were playing with everyone......but I somehow doubt that was what TPTB meant.
It's possible TPTB think that "endgame" means "kill one of the main characters". A more fitting name might have been "Highlander:Swan Song"... which would have been fun since 98% of the audience would have bitched because there were no singing swans in the movie<eg>. Or "Highlander:Passing the Torch"- where audience could look for 1) a torch or 2) some Olympic connection.
Nina:
>>"Highlander: The Raven," which didn't have a Highlander in it, and
>>didn't seem to have much to do with any large black bird.
Elaine:
>Well it was supposed to be more the Viking Raven. So if you take the Odin
>or Viking connection and remember that the MacLeods were a clan of Viking
>descent there is your connection to the Highlander.....see I knew there
>would be a connection somewhere.<EG>
That's pushing it <g> especially since there were no MacLeods in "Raven". And...Amanda wasn't a Viking. Nick didn't strike me as the Nordic type, either.
Wasn't it suppose to be the American Indian Raven? The "Trickster"? Not, mind you, that Amanda has any connection to North American Natives either. ..just a love of black leather coats. An interest she only developed (or indulged in ) when *not* in close proximity to Duncan. (Do second-story thieves *really* wear long fluttering coats that seem perfectly designed to trip alarms at every "swoosh"?)
I like to dream that "Highlander:The Source" will be a perfect melding of the Highlander mythos with James Mitchner's "The Source". That archaeologist from HL:3 will be back, excavating a tel in the Middle East and will uncover - slowly, layer by layer- the life story of Methos.<g> Duncan will just be around to grunt during katas and kill whatever cardboard villain TPTB construct to allow for car chases, explosions, and extended sword fights on catwalks.
Wendy("Highlander:Gratuitous Sex and Violence" )(It would be No.1 for weeks<eg>)
Fairy Killer
jjswbt@earthlink.net
http://home.earthlink.net/~jjswbt/index.html
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Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 23:16:00 +0100
From: "John Mosby (B)" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: HL5 Rumour
The point is:
It was called Endgame, but there wasn't end to the Game, unless you were
Connor, I'd guess.
It had a trailer built around scenes not intended to be in the film
The press notes were wrong
The editing was screwed up.
Naturally, they blamed the critics.
And THEN the DVD with extended footage came out.
So, to be frank, if the people making the film can't decide what they want
to begin with, I hardly expect to get anything I (or a few milion people)
want to see either. And I'm a little tired of the 'here's the film we REALLY
wanted to make finally on DVD for you to purchase from us' routine. That got
old shortly after Highlander II imploded.
Next time, make the film YOU want to make and then present it to us,
standing by what you claim on release - not changing tact a few months later
and changing 'You'll love this film, it's great' to 'this was never the film
we wanted'.
Because otherwise, it makes people like me a leeeetle more cynical then
ever.
And 'The Source'? Ohhhhhhhhhh puhleeeeeeeease. I can't think of a single
conitation of that title that doesn't make me want to cry.
John
- who'll wait for the inevitable Highlander V: The Director's Cut (the film
we wanted to make before we took your money for the theatrical version)
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From: "Sandy Fields" <diamonique@EARTHLINK.NET>
To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU>
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: [HL] HL5 Rumour
> At 02:07 PM 09/10/01, Elaine Nicol wrote:
> >But onto Endgame. I recently got the DVD version which has finally been
> >released in the UK, and to be honest I found that if I ignored what I had
> >seen in the other version I had got and the stuff I had read about the US
> >Release, so basically took it as a new movie, it wasn't that bad at all.
>
> Well yeah. I agree, but that's not really the point. The movie that was
> released is the one that counts, and it was pretty bad.
>
> If the DVD version had been the one that was released in theaters, the
> thought of another movie might have put a smile on my face instead of
> making me want to kick something. :-)
>
> -- Sandy
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