HIGHLA-L Digest - 21 Mar 2001 to 22 Mar 2001 (#2001-104)
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1. Raven comments from a new viewer (2)
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Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:24:56 +0200
From: Marina Bailey <tmar@fast.co.za>
Subject: Re: Raven comments from a new viewer
Wendy wrote:
>As for Nick saving Amanda...you have to put it in the context of
>seeing the episodes in order for the first time. In only the third
> episode ("Bloodlines") Nick not only goes after the Immortal Morgan..
>but kills him. Then in the next episode ("Immunity") Nick shoots an
>Immortal (Collier) who is about to kill Amanda. [etc... snip]
Aha! I've only seen the first few Toronto eps. Saw mostly the Paris
eps first, in which he didn't help her much at all. "Bloodlines"
was on last night but I didn't manage to watch it as my cousin was
over and I was helping her with her Nelson Mandela assignment. :)
Maybe I'll have time to watch the tape today. (We get the Euro
version, BTW.)
>Ah.. some of us hated TNG because it was a pale boring repeat of
>ST:TOS and loved DS9 immediately because it *was* different.
So what do you think about Voyager, Wendy? Seven years and I still
think it sucks like Electrolux. :)
>Part of my dislike for Raven was that they tried to make her into
>Duncan - saving people, caring about right and wrong, walking into
>fights. That just wasn't the Amanda people knew from HL:TS. I never
>much cared for Amanda in any case but I felt it did the character a
>disservice to make her into the "hero". But..what else could they do?
>Once the decision was made to make Amanda the lead..her character had to
>change.
I haven't seen much of this "hero" thing. Amanda usually tried to do
be good, even if she would steal stuff at the same time. But (confession
time) I spend more time watching Nick than her. That's probably a bad
thing to admit. On another list people were discussing how female fans
tend to be misogynistic. I'm not sure I agree, but I can say that I
like the show for the two of them, even if it was originally supposed
to be the Amanda show. I prefer the Amanda and Nick show. Nick is much
easier to empathise with. We know where he's coming from. I don't
think too many of us in today's modern world have any idea where
Amanda is coming from.
>To open an old can of worms..it is exactly what would happen in
>Methos was made the lead of a series. Soon he would be risking
>his life for his fellow man and waxing poetic about his conscience.
>Ick!
Yeah, ick. But maybe not - I mean, look how many women went crazy
for him after the Horsemen eps.
>Of course..Nick wasn't *suppose* to be Immortal...that happened when
>the the Series got cancelled. PJ had been adamant that he wouldn't
>take the part if he was just another Immortal..he wanted to be mortal.
Oooh, I didn't know that!
>And...if you watch the episodes without knowing that Nick ends up
>Immortal in the end..you can see when the shift takes place late in
>the season.
It's too late for me. I always knew he turned out Immortal. I wish
the show could have continued. I would have liked to have seen how
he coped with being Immortal and hating it.
>Once he becomes Immortal...then her relationship with Nick, seen in
>retrospect, becomes one of obligation- she knew what he was and felt
>she had to stick around to be there when he died.
I don't know... I don't know if Amanda would stick around out of
obligation. I mean, where's Michelle? Wasn't Amanda supposed to
be her teacher? Or did she palm her off on somebody else? If so,
why couldn't she just palm Nick off on somebody? I like to think,
in my romantic heart (yeah, don't laugh) that Amanda really
loved Nick, but was scared to make any moves on him precisely
because of their one big difference.
>What we saw was that Amanda was always the same..until she met Nick.
>Then ..wham bang thank you ma'am..Amanda has a conscience..Amanda
>stands and fight!
Occasionally she did that around Duncan, too. Maybe she does it to
get guys. :)
Her Immortal>ity became a ..gimmick.
I hate that.
>Not to mention..she and Nick never rattled the headboards. Not even one.
>Phooey!
I agree with that assessment. A show needs some decent headboard
rattling. :)
- Marina.
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brother, watching Star Trek Voyager.
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Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:36:49 -1000
From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net>
Subject: Re: Raven comments from a new viewer
Marina--
> So when I watched the episodes, I started looking for instances
> of Amanda always needing Nick's help, and found surprising few
> instances of this. I still haven't seen all the eps; I think
> I've seen about eleven now, and of those eleven, Nick only
> saved her or helped her out... once.
Then you haven't seen a lot of the eps where Nick charges in to save the
day. Otherwise, it works out that Amanda saves the day by using Immortality
as a gimmick, as Wendy mentions. At least HL:TS had the courage to
sometimes let the damn day go unsaved.
> so
> far the show is MUCH better than I was led to believe from
> some of the comments I've read here.
Well, I started watching Raven's original run w/ high hopes & was bitterly
disappointed. Not only wasn't it Highlander, it wasn't much of anything.
Of course, my expectations are much lower now--after HL:EG, Queen of Swords,
etc. Maybe Raven would look OK to me now.
Marina--
> It's actually good to be watching a show "unspoiled" again.
Um, you know Nick's gonna become an Immortal, & you aren't surprised when
Wendy mentions that there's no headboard rattling. Sorry, but you're
spoiled, because Raven really offered no other "biggies" to watch for.
Wendy--
>Ah.. some of us hated TNG because it was a pale boring repeat of ST:TOS and
>loved DS9 immediately because it *was* different.
Just raising my hand to be in that group....
Marina--
>I think people need some kind of a support system. Duncan had
> his, Amanda has hers.
Yes, & Amanda's biggest support for centuries was DUNCAN. Until Nick came
along & instantly overwhelmed her firmly ingrained true nature w/ his scowly
pout. Nope--I can't buy it.
Nina (Maybe if Nick had been filthy rich)
geiger@maui.net
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