HIGHLA-L Digest - 22 Jan 2001 to 23 Jan 2001 - Special issue
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There are 16 messages totalling 848 lines in this issue.
Topics in this special issue:
1. Endgame Spoilers
2. Raven last ep (was: Endgame Spoilers) SPOILERS REMOVED
3. 'Essence of Highlander'
4. River Denial (spoilers) (2)
5. OT (5)
6. HL:EG box office--SPOILER
7. Greetings and Question about Endgame--SPOILER
8. Animated Methos Chronicles--Spoilers for Endgame (2)
9. HL:EG box office
10. Greetings and Question
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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 07:27:07 -0500
From: Toni Stewart <toni822@webtv.net>
Subject: Endgame Spoilers
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Hi all
I have FINALLY managed to see HL:EG. Quickenings? Just a thought. Did
anyone also notice that Kell's head count was 666 when he faced DM?
Devil boy?
Oh, one other thing. Raven is showing in SA and Nick Wolfe became
Immortal last night. Just thought I'd mention it.
_ Yes, I did notice the 666 reference. I'm fairly new on the list, so I
don't know if this was discussed by everyone here before or not. I
thought it was a continuation of the "Revelation" theme in the series.
I thought it was kind of funny. First DM defeats the 4 Horseman of the
Appocolyps, then a demon and now the "beast" of Revelation. Or maybe
Kell considered himself the antichrist.
I had to watch the movie a couple of times before I was sure of the
math. You were quick to catch it on one viewing.
I also enjoyed the movie over all. I left saying, its so good to see HL
again, but it could have been so much better.
I also liked Raven fairly well. Unfortunately, the episode you saw with
Nick becoming immortal is the last that was made!
Toni
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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 08:41:44 -0500
From: Marina Bailey <tmar@fast.co.za>
Subject: Raven last ep (was: Endgame Spoilers) SPOILERS REMOVED
Toni wrote:
>I also liked Raven fairly well. Unfortunately, the episode you saw with
>Nick becoming immortal is the last that was made!
Having not followed any Raven discussions (because it wasn't on
here then, and I didn't bother to watch it when it did come on -
something I now regret), I have to say that Raven was a pretty
good attempt at a show going in a slightly different direction.
I think that it would have improved had it gone to a second
season. I remember getting quite into it in the ep when Nick
chopped the one bad guy's head off. I mean, he had no idea that
he was a pre-immie, and he knew what it meant, but he still
did it. I would have liked to see how someone who becomes
Immortal deals with it after having known about Immortals and
even acted like one to a degree. TPTB never really did that to
my satisfaction with Richie, and there was the added aspect
that Nick didn't WANT to be Immortal.
Just my 14 cents (due to the exchange rate).
- Marina.
\\ "Cast your eyes on the ocean; cast your soul ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
//to the sea. When the dark night seems endless,|| R I C H I E >> \\
\\ please remember me." - Loreena McKennitt ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
//======Marina Bailey======tmar@fast.co.za======|| \\
\\============Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie=============//
"I'd rather be watching 'The Sentinel'... no, 'Highlander'... wait,
'Stargate SG-1' is on... Oh, hell, make it all and make it so!"
- Tarryn
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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:41:22 +0200
From: Tarryn Zank <Zankt@nu.ac.za>
Subject: 'Essence of Highlander'
Gina--
> "Essence of Highlander"? I think I saw that in a potpourri shop the other
> day. You spray it around the room and everything smells like a big, sweaty
> guy with a sword.
ROTFLMAO!! What, does it linger forever? Come in a tartan bottle? Comes with a warning label: be careful with the cap, if you remove it, it will be gone forever.
;-)
T.
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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:54:30 +0200
From: Tarryn Zank <Zankt@nu.ac.za>
Subject: River Denial (spoilers)
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Wendy said :
>>>He's DEAD!!! His head has left the building. Jump in the River Denial
>>>if you want (and if the crowd already there will have you )
And Marina replied:
>>No, Lance must get his own river. This one is quite full. And he
>>can't have a red shirt either.
Um, can he get a special kind of red shirt and go off on a mision with Kirk and the gang?? We all know what happened to "red shirts" on away missions. ;-)
T.
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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:21:06 -0500
From: Marina Bailey <tmar@fast.co.za>
Subject: Re: River Denial (spoilers)
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>And Marina replied:
>>>No, Lance must get his own river. This one is quite full. And he
>>>can't have a red shirt either.
>Um, can he get a special kind of red shirt and go off on a mision with Kirk
and the gang?? We all know what happened to "red shirts" on away missions. ;-)
No! Only the Clan Denial can have red shirts. We like red shirts and
Lance can't have one. So there.
- Marina.
\\ "Cast your eyes on the ocean; cast your soul ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
//to the sea. When the dark night seems endless,|| R I C H I E >> \\
\\ please remember me." - Loreena McKennitt ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
//======Marina Bailey======tmar@fast.co.za======|| \\
\\============Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie=============//
"I'd rather be watching 'The Sentinel'... no, 'Highlander'... wait,
'Stargate SG-1' is on... Oh, hell, make it all and make it so!"
- Tarryn
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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:35:13 EST
From: List Kathy Avery <Lynxf19@aol.com>
Subject: OT
I am going to create a list where there is only one rule. The rule will be up to 5 messages a day (like this one). Since the owners are a bit picky on what you can and cant do. If there is such a list like I am talking about, let me know. Oh and you can talk about anything.
kathy
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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:46:24 -0500
From: LC Krakowka <liser@lightlink.com>
Subject: Re: OT
Kathy said:
>I am going to create a list where there is only one rule. The rule
>will be up to 5 messages a day (like this one). Since the owners
>are a bit picky on what you can and cant do. If there is such a
>list like I am talking about, let me know. Oh and you can talk
>about anything.
I'm a little confused.
Talk about *anything*? Or talk about anything related to Highlander?
Lisa
(who is all for lists without rules, but has been around the Net
enough times to know that it takes a certain kind of population for
that to actually *work*)
--
Lisa Krakowka ** liser@lightlink.com
The good parts of a book may be only something a writer is lucky enough
to overhear or it may be the wreck of his whole damn life--and one
is as good as the other. --Ernest Hemingway
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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:56:42 -0500
From: jjswbt@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: OT
List Kathy Avery wrote:
>I am going to create a list where there is only one rule.
There can be only one?
>The rule will be up to 5 messages a day (like this one).
And you need a separate list ...why?
>Since the owners
Owner. Singular.
> are a bit picky on what you can and cant do.
Ah...you want a list without rules. (Cant gets old fast)
> If there is such a list like I am talking about, let me know.
There was. I killed it months ago when there wasn't enough HL discussion to keep one list alive, let alone 2 (or 3 or 4 or 5). There is probably another somewhere. Certainly there are numerous other HL lists around - every splinter group has at least one. Plus there is alt.tv.highlander.......
>Oh and you can talk about anything.
So..this *isn't* a Highlander list you are planning to create? Just a general "chat" list? Birthday wishes, requests for prayers, name calling, new recipes for brownies, that weird TV show only one person saw, gossip about Adrian's new boyfriend..that kind of stuff?
Or..is this going to be a HL list where you can also talk about anything else you want? Good luck <eg> I'm betting the traffic will be 97% non-HL and 3% bitching and moaning about something vaguely HL related.
Wendy(Debbie will let you say almost anything.)(You just have to be very creative in how you say it.)
Fairy Killer
jjswbt@earthlink.net
http://home.earthlink.net/~jjswbt/index.html
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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 03:33:11 -0000
From: Rita Ballantyne <kilmarnock.oradea@virginnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: OT
not interested in lists w number of messages rules.
Rita
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----- Original Message -----
From: "List Kathy Avery" <Lynxf19@aol.com>
To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 7:35 PM
Subject: OT
> I am going to create a list where there is only one rule. The rule will
be up to 5 messages a day (like this one). Since the owners are a bit picky
on what you can and cant do. If there is such a list like I am talking
about, let me know. Oh and you can talk about anything.
> kathy
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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:23:03 EST
From: Lance Aldridge <GPrimeCEO@aol.com>
Subject: Re: HL:EG box office--SPOILER
In a message dated 1/21/01 4:37:59 PM Central Standard Time, reeana1@home.com
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> > <<ROFLMAO!!!!! Gawds that was funny:)! Thank you for the much needed laugh
> > since Mr. Lance seems bound and determined to keep on doing what he's
> doing.
> > Thank you!>>
> >
> > I'm driven by passion, not unlike MLK, JFK and Ghandi.
>
> But, Lance, they at least had major causes in mind. Yeah, you have a lot of
> opposition here just like they did. But there is a BIG difference between
> you and them.
The only possible difference might be i have MORE passion than they. I never
quit.
I don't think anyone, immortal, mortal, whatever can compare
> themselves to Martin Luther King Jr., JFK and Ghandi.
All it takes is ambition and passion. It also takes sacrifice, in the same
way jesus sacrificed himself for the sake of the world.
<<They stood for just>>
As do I.
> causes that would help people in the long run. Sorry, I don't see what
> you're doing here as helping anyone. CL is noticeably older now and you
> cannot fight a battle like this. Your right that maybe the movie would have
> been better with on or the other, but the fact is, it's said and done. The
> movie is how the movie is and Connor is dead. Just like Elvis, baby. You
> gotta learn to let go and move on. Plus like I've stated before, Fan
> Fiction works. Use it. In that you can have your perfect world with Connor.
> 'Nuff said.
>
Not good enough. Returning Connor will restore the franchise and make it
economically profitable. In turn, through the trickle down theory, even the
poorest of us will eventually benefit from the economic boom of DPP after
they do the right thing. In that way, we are helping eveybody in doing this.
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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:26:56 EST
From: Lance Aldridge <GPrimeCEO@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame--SPOILER
In a message dated 1/21/01 6:09:49 PM Central Standard Time, geiger@maui.net
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> > > guess who--
> > > > I happen to consider that MLK, Ghandi, and JFK are in my league.
> That's
> > > > not ego, its self confidence, and that's whats needed for strong
> leadership.
> > > Or a strait-jacket.
> > Does Debbie allow this kind of insult on this list?
>
> I assume Debbie realizes the rather pathetic truth that many mentally
> disturbed individuals operate under the delusion they either are or are
> analogous to certain well-known individuals, such as the ones you mentioned,
> who lived truly meaningful lives & accomplished great things for humanity.
> If you insist on putting yourself in that group (& I mean the deluded group)
> re: a purported campaign to "save" a fictional character, well, that's your
> choice.
>
Nothing delusional here. I know I am just as passionate as they, and yes,
the KKK insulted MLk in the say way you attempt to insult me.
> > > >Not when the Conosrtium has thousands of passionate members.;
> > > Thousands of members, only 1 PC. Too bad.
> > > > You're buying into a myth.....too bad. We are real. Have you been to
> our
> > >> website?
>
> Since when is something on the web necessarily considered "real"?
>
In this case, it is true.
> > > me before--
> > > >>Debbie, I thought you'd issued an edict on "true fan" crap?
> > > Why is it crap. It is my opinion.
> > > > Like I said.
> > What did you say?
>
> I said it's crap. Remember? I think all your (& I'm paraphrasing) "all
> true HL fans must fight for Connor" insistence is crap. Why? Because it is
> silly, divisive, mono-focal & lacking in content. (And, Debbie said to stop
> it ages ago.)
>
Its not divisive. It challenges fans to consider defining themselves
positively in light of supporting Connor.
> Now, like everyone else, you are free to express your opinions here (though
> conforming to the list owner's rules would be nice), just as I am free to
> decide, after due consideration, that such opinions are, in my opinion, crap
> (see above). You've helpfully provided more than enough material for
> everyone here to make his or her own informed judgment about you & your
> opinions.
>
When is enough enough? Passion knows no bounds if it is genuine.
>
> > We will fight for Connor until the last of our blood. That's our creed,
> we
> > are not quitters.
>
> Yes, & you are watching us, & you'll fight to the death, etc., etc., etc.
> Your problem w/ this crusade is--no one is watching _you_. Specifically,
> HL's TPTB don't know you exist, & they don't care what you think; they
> wouldn't change anything for you, even if your mythic legions of cohorts
> were real.
>
TPTB met with myself and peter veneem in December. they know our demands and
are conisdering our requests.
> Connor's a foot shorter. It's a done deal.
>
>
Bad fiction is never a done deal. there is always revision.
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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:32:53 EST
From: Lance Aldridge <GPrimeCEO@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Animated Methos Chronicles--Spoilers for Endgame
In a message dated 1/22/01 8:25:24 AM Central Standard Time,
jjswbt@earthlink.net writes:
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> >> Apparently it's going to be an Internet thang. Gillian said she writes
> >> TV.
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> Lance opines:
> >I suppose its writing.
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> Yes, Lance, it *is* writing. It's writing that is thought well of in the
> industry and has earned Gillian a living for some time. How many scripts
> have *you* sold recently?
>
You would be suprised.
> > Many of us weren't happy with what was done to Richie
> >in the series,
>
> And some of us were just fine with it. If you dislike shows were
> characters die, don't watch Highlander.
>
I dislike shows that needlessly kill good characters. It reeks of bad
writing.
> >anymore than Connor in the film.
>
> Again, some of us had *no* problem with Connor becoming a head shorter.
>
And many more of us have a BIG problem with us. many post at the Save Connor
site regularly.
> >INMH, TPTB need to dump the
> >current "Creative" team and bring in fresh new talent. perhaps some
> respect
> >for the characters will rejuvenate the franchise.
>
> The only character you seem to care about is DEAD!!!!!!! Are you looking
> for new writers who are willing to write a "shower" scene for Connor? Yeah,
> that went over *so* well in "Dallas".
>
I'd like new writers who are creative. That would be enough.
> >>I think you should know, the Consortium keeps watch on people who make
> >sick jojes about Connor and his supporters. This was not funny, and I hope
>
> You mean you spy on people? Keep files filled with perceived insults to a
> dead fictional character?
I mean assure that Consortium members are not maimed in the way Pete veneem
was.
<< Stalk people at their homes and jobs?>>
Of course not.
<< Follow their cars? Tap their phones?>>
No.
> their e-mail? Is that what you mean?
I wouldn't know how to bomb email.
I'm beginning to feel a bit threatened..maybe I'll call the FBI and suggest
that
> someone ought to be looking at your "Consortium".
>
The FBI is working with the Conosrtium.
> No..wait...I *have* a life.
>
Good for you.
> >And I'm glad you like Connor, hope you like him enough to fight for his
> life.
>
> He's dead, Lance. Dead dead dead. Good riddance to him...with his
> incomprehensible accent, Neanderthal brow ridges, slouching shoulders and
> bad hair.
>
Your insults are juvenile.
> (Not to mention that he's a fictional character who *has* no life to fight
> for.)
>
> >People who agree that he should die are not tru HL fans, IMHO.
>
> It isn't a matter of whether he "should" die or not. He's DEAD!!! His head
> has left the building. Jump in the River Denial if you want (and if the
> crowd already there will have you ) but it changes *nothing*. Connor bit
> the big one..he totally lost his head..he went to that big loch in the sky.
>
That is subject to change. TPTB are pondering the decision, the new DVD may
reflect this.
> As for being a "true fan", Debbie has asked us to drop that useless debate.
>
I'm not the one rehashing it.
> About an animated series, Lance says:
> >I brought your idea to the Consortium and they are considering it. Would
> you
> >like to serve as a writer for the series if they fund it?
>
> Is talking to yourself considered taking it to the Consortium?
>
??
> BTW Lance, you keep saying that CL has said he would do a future HL movie if
> asked..could you please give me a citation to whatever magazine, newspaper,
> on-line chat, TV appearance, etc where CL said that. Thank you kindly.
>
He said it in an interview on E! immeditely before the release of the film.
He also said it in the Galactic Prime Times interview I don't think that
cyber mag is in publication anymore, but I will check.
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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:36:51 EST
From: Dotiran@aol.com
Subject: Re: OT
<<<gossip about Adrian's
new boyfriend..that kind of stuff?
boo hiss, waggling finger at Wendy
[taking life in hands *g*]
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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 04:30:59 -0000
From: Rita Ballantyne <kilmarnock.oradea@virginnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: HL:EG box office
Iám really amazed by this conversation!
Rita
I'm driven by passion, not unlike MLK, JFK and Ghandi.
> >
> > But, Lance, they at least had major causes in mind. Yeah, you have a lot
of
> > opposition here just like they did. But there is a BIG difference
between
> > you and them.
>
> The only possible difference might be i have MORE passion than they. I
never
> quit.
>
> I don't think anyone, immortal, mortal, whatever can compare
>
> > themselves to Martin Luther King Jr., JFK and Ghandi.
>
> All it takes is ambition and passion. It also takes sacrifice, in the
same
> way jesus sacrificed himself for the sake of the world.
>
> <<They stood for just>>
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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 04:35:28 -0000
From: Rita Ballantyne <kilmarnock.oradea@virginnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Greetings and Question
I assume Debbie realizes the rather pathetic truth that many mentally
> > disturbed individuals operate under the delusion they either are or are
> > analogous to certain well-known individuals, such as the ones you
mentioned,
> > who lived truly meaningful lives & accomplished great things for
humanity.
well, just for the sake of argument, some of those true great individuals
were thought to ne mad in their time. so, that isnát a categorising factor.
>
> When is enough enough? Passion knows no bounds if it is genuine.
yes, but there are passions which have positive outcomes, others have neg.
> > Yes, & you are watching us, & you'll fight to the death, etc., etc.,
etc.
death as in hl?
Rita
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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:34:33 EST
From: Lance Aldridge <GPrimeCEO@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Animated Methos Chronicles--Spoilers for Endgame
In a message dated 1/22/01 8:46:14 AM Central Standard Time, tmar@fast.co.za
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> >> Many of us weren't happy with what was done to Richie
> >>in the series,
>
> >And some of us were just fine with it. If you dislike shows were
> >characters die, don't watch Highlander.
>
> Well, the thing with HL is that there is so much in it that one can
> watch for various reasons. I mean, I love Richie (just keep quiet,
> Wendy! <g>) but he isn't my *entire* reason for watching Highlander.
> I have always watched HL for the premise, for the "HL" concept
> in total.
>
You had to, if you stomached 6 years of the series.
> And, Lance, I think what a lot of people are trying to get across is
> that it isn't mentally healthy to fixate on one aspect of *anything*.
>
> >He's dead, Lance. Dead dead dead. Good riddance to him...with his
> >incomprehensible accent, Neanderthal brow ridges, slouching shoulders
> >and bad hair.
>
> Hey! Not all of us are going into de(river)nial about his death,
> but some of us do like him. I've always liked him. I mean, he's one
> thing no other HL character will ever be... the first one. <g>
>
You should join the cause, we could use your passion.
> >He's DEAD!!! His head has left the building. Jump in the River Denial
> >if you want (and if the crowd already there will have you )
>
> No, Lance must get his own river. This one is quite full. And he
> can't have a red shirt either.
>
>
Does Debbie allow these types of insults on the list?
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