HIGHLA-L Digest - 15 Apr 2001 to 16 Apr 2001 (#2001-124)
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There are 17 messages totalling 514 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. OT:Meilani Paul in movie (5)
2. OT: Hate Crime? (8)
3. Duncan and hate crimes (3)
4. Duncan and hate crimes--& Methos, too
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Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 16:55:59 -1000
From: methos <methos@pixi.com>
Subject: Re: OT:Meilani Paul in movie
Karla wrote:
<<Thought some people may be interested to know that Meilani Paul
(Adrian's ex) is in the movie Agent Red starring opposite Dolph
Lundgren. I have a feeling this movie went straight to video. I rented
it yesterday. It was ok.>>
So, how about some details? Plot? What was Meilani's role?
How was her acting? How did she look/dress? On a scale of
0 - 10 how good was "Agent Red"? TIA.
TC <detail-oriented for totally disinteresting movie news>
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Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 23:09:16 EDT
From: Dotiran@aol.com
Subject: Re: OT:Meilani Paul in movie
In a message dated 4/15/01 9:58:55 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
methos@pixi.com writes:
<< How did she look/dress?
word is she wore clothes in this one. *vbeg*
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Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 23:32:11 -0400
From: virginia foster <vfoster@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: OT: Hate Crime?
At 06:49 PM 04/15/01 -0400, you wrote:
><<
>So why is what Lance did, which I think is sick, worse than
>that? To be honest, I feel pretty sick at some of the stuff on
>TV too.>>
>
>Why is it sick to honor a dead friend? Duncan did it many times in the
>series.
>
There is nothing wrong with honoring a dead friend. What we have a
problem with is that you choose to pull a horrifying real story from the
headlines and use it to draw attention to your website.
>Exploitation??!! I am deeply disturbed that you and the others would go to
>these lengths to discredit a youngf man who gave his life for Highlander.
>Wht do you stand to gain by doing so? My friend gave his life for Connor and
>the Cause and i won't stand for the disrespect of his scrifice.
>
Oh please. If the event you describe is real, why didn't it make the news?
I've search CNN.com, MSNBC.com and MSN.com. I didn't find a single
reference to any story about a "Mike Palochek". Nothing. Nada. Therefore,
I have serious doubts that anyone by that name ever existed and that he
"died" in such a manner. Others have requested URL's for the legitimate
news story. I'd like to see them as well.
>I guess what pushed my buttons with relating a hate crime to the
>"Save Connor" site is that he's treating it as though it really happened.>>
>
>It did really happen. the Palocheks are in mourning. Have SOME compassion
>about all of this--PLEASE.........
>
I would. If it had happened. The photos of your "million fan march" are so
obviously faked, what is to prove that your story is true. There is no mention
of a Mike Palochek anywhere on the web. There's not even a mention of it
on entertainment sites that would certainly jump at the chance to report a
story like this, if it were indeed true.
>The last time people started talking like this it was Lance's doing
>as well. At least he's good for something...>>
>
>Discussion is what will keep Highlander, and Connor alive.
>
Finally, something we actually might can agree on. That discussion
keeps the fandom going.
>Based on Lance's copious postings here and on other HL forums, it's not
>intended as a parody. Since you've been fortunate enough to miss those I
>can see why you'd think it is. It is absurd, due to ineptitude not intent.>>
>
>There's nothing funny about a man's death.
>
No there isn't. The man in Texas who was killed simply because he was
black didn't deserve to die. He doesn't deserve to have his story twisted
into something to serve the purpose of a website for *fictional* character.
Connor is *fictional*. Hate crimes are *real*.
virginia
(to relate this back to Highlander... I'm sure Duncan has seen his share of
hate crimes. Do you think he ever gets discouraged that the human race
never seems to get any better?)
vfoster@mindspring.com *@*@* http://www.mindspring.com/~vfoster/va.html
"I saw the movie Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon and I didn't see any tigers
or dragons. Then I realized why, they were crouching and hidden."
Steve Martin at the 2001 Academy Awards
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Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 18:06:12 -1000
From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net>
Subject: Re: OT: Hate Crime?
Lance writes--
>I am deeply disturbed ....
Yes, you certainly are.
Nina
geiger@maui.net
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Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 00:58:04 -0400
From: Karen Matthews <k.matth@wcoil.com>
Subject: Re: OT:Meilani Paul in movie
----- Original Message -----
From: <Dotiran@aol.com>
To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU>
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: OT:Meilani Paul in movie
> In a message dated 4/15/01 9:58:55 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
> methos@pixi.com writes:
>
> << How did she look/dress?
>
> word is she wore clothes in this one. *vbeg*
Okay.... LOL....Cleaning up my keyboard and screen from mouthful of wine on
that response. LOL!
>
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Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 01:20:48 -0400
From: KLZ <zklee@patriot.net>
Subject: Duncan and hate crimes
> (to relate this back to Highlander... I'm sure Duncan has seen
> his share of
> hate crimes. Do you think he ever gets discouraged that the
> human race
> never seems to get any better?)
Duncan withdrew a number of times because of hate and killing. I
think the ultimate hate crime was the post-Culloden massacres.
He did some of his own hate crimes at that time, too, against the
English. After his epiphany-hb-rattling with Cierdwyn, he simply
withdrew and went on his Great Search for Peace and a Better
Sword. He did the same after Waterloo, when he left Europe for
the New World in search of Peace and some Cool Buckskins. We saw
it again in 1867, when he thumped the table at the dead
inkeeper's place and went off to join the Sioux in search of
Peace, a Good Woman, and Cool Buckskins, this time showing a
well-turned posterior, or portions thereof.
Duncan is doomed, I think, to be forever seeking Peace, hiding
from hate, war, and killing, and having hate, war, and killing
find him over and over. Perhaps this was what tempered the
Champion in preparation for the fight with Ahriman that darned
near destroyed him.
ZK (I know, because I found my "I survived the BREW at ZK's"
button.)
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Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:49:40 +0200
From: Marina Bailey <tmar@fast.co.za>
Subject: Re: OT: Hate Crime?
Nina wrote:
>Lance writes--
>>I am deeply disturbed ....
>Yes, you certainly are.
Nina, you got there first. As soon as I read that line, your
response was the first thing that popped into my head.
He can't argue now, right? He said it himself.
- Marina.
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//=====tmar@fast.co.za====Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie=====\\
"I went to Chulak, and all I got was this lousy Goa'uld." - Stargate
T-shirt idea.
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Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 07:33:13 -0400
From: Elaine Nicol <ElaineN@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Duncan and hate crimes
>> Duncan withdrew a number of times because of hate and killing. I
think the ultimate hate crime was the post-Culloden massacres. <<
I'm sure he saw a lot of what is now called hate-crime. Personally I view
all crime to an extant as hate crime of some sort. It may be that you hate
someone because of the colour of their skin or their religious beliefs, or
simply because they have more money than you.
In Duncan's youth he would live his life hating the people who bore the
name MacDonald for no other reason than that.
Often the kind of crimes we see as hate-crimes are those which are born out
of fear. I don't know or understand this person, so I am going to hate
him and hurt him before he does it to me.
I often ask why is it so much easier to extend a hand with a gun in it that
one which is open with friendship. I suspect a question Duncan has asked
himself many times.
Makes you wonder though, Duncan has lived 400 odd years and is saddened by
it, what about Methos, maybe that's why he is such a cynic.
Elaine.
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Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:35:09 EDT
From: Billie Lee <McCelt2000@aol.com>
Subject: Re: OT: Hate Crime?
In a message dated 4/16/01 4:15:40 AM !!!First Boot!!!, geiger@maui.net
writes:
> Lance writes--
> >I am deeply disturbed ....
To which Nina replied:
>
> Yes, you certainly are.
And may I say a big AMEN SISTER <G> to that one. I have been staying out of
this discussion, but I gotta go with my buddy Nina <waves> on this one!
Forever Peace,
Billie-Lee (who again thanks Nina and those who helped get Nina's addy back
into her computer here!!)
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Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 17:07:05 +0100
From: Jette Goldie <jette@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Duncan and hate crimes
Elaine says:
> >> Duncan withdrew a number of times because of hate and killing. I
> think the ultimate hate crime was the post-Culloden massacres. <<
>
> In Duncan's youth he would live his life hating the people who bore the
> name MacDonald for no other reason than that.
>
Well, they were pretty famous as a clan for being Pirates
and cattle thieves...... but come to think of it, so were the
MacLeods! <g> (maybe it was rivarly? <eg>)
Jette
Glory may be fleeting, but obscurity is forever!
bosslady@scotlandmail.com
http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/fanfic.html
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Date: Mon, 16 Apr 1973 11:42:43 -0500
From: Judith Schneider <judiths@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Re: OT: Hate Crime?
On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Marina Bailey wrote:
> Nina wrote:
> >Lance writes--
> >>I am deeply disturbed ....
>
> >Yes, you certainly are.
>
> Nina, you got there first. As soon as I read that line, your
> response was the first thing that popped into my head.
>
> He can't argue now, right? He said it himself.
>
Wanna bet??? Never underestimate the depths to which a delusional person
can sink.
Judy, the Chocolate Slayer judiths@capaccess.org
Waving a flag for the blue feather and a turbolight for Apollo
"I never met a chocolate I didn't like"--Deanna Troi
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Date: Mon, 16 Apr 1973 11:45:31 -0500
From: Judith Schneider <judiths@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Re: OT: Hate Crime?
On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, virginia foster wrote:
<snip>
>
> >ZK (of course, I also knew a man who met Queen Victoria, so
> >there)
> >
> I've met the Weasel in person and lived to tell about it.
>
I keep waiting for someone to say "I knew a man who was Queen Victoria".
It's Monday ... last week was the week from hell. So far, this week isn't
starting out any better. Might as well just go nuts now and avoid the
mid-week rush.
Judy, the Chocolate Slayer judiths@capaccess.org
Waving a flag for the blue feather and a turbolight for Apollo
"I never met a chocolate I didn't like"--Deanna Troi
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Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 15:57:59 -0400
From: Karla Julian <julkm@home.com>
Subject: Re: OT:Meilani Paul in movie
methos wrote:
>
>
>
>
> So, how about some details? Plot?
Not a great movie. Run of the mill. Dolph Lundgren must get the Agent Red
(chemical warfare) out of the hands of terrorists and deliver it safely to
the US where it can be disposed of.
> What was Meilani's role?
She was Dolph's ex-fiance who he still had the hots for. She still wanted
him but was playing hard to get. Meilani was a Navy luitenant involved in
the operation to dispose of a chemical agent which could wipe out all life
within minutes if released.She was an irritating character at first but
became easier to deal with as the movie progressed.
>
> How was her acting?
I wasn't impressed with her acting, and was less impressed with how she
looked.
You asked about clothing? She wore a Navy uniform throughout.
On a scale of 0 - 10 I'd rate the movie about a 4. Don't waste your time.
I was very surprised to see Meilani in anything. I hadn't heard of her
since the Counterfeit episode of Highlander. I was also surprised that she
kept Adrian's last name.
> How did she look/dress? On a scale of
> 0 - 10 how good was "Agent Red"? TIA.
>
> TC <detail-oriented for totally disinteresting movie news>
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Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:34:44 -1000
From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net>
Subject: Re: OT: Hate Crime?
Virginia--
> Connor is *fictional*. Hate crimes are *real*.
I don't have a comment to that--just liked it & thought it should be seen
again. Lance isn't listening, though.
For that matter, I suspect _Lance_ is fictional. At least, I hope so; the
real creator of that may be redeemable.
Nina (And, should their fictional universes chance to collide, wouldn't
Connor just detest Lance? Assuming that the gnat got the Highlander's brief
attention. Gotta think that the result would be something to make the goon
in Epitaph for Tommy glad that dear Duncan just hung him out a very high
window 'til he wet his pants.... Fanfic writers--anyone bored enough to
tackle this? Yes, I am feeling spiteful today; Hawaii public school
teachers are on strike--week #3--& my 9 yr. old is getting to me.)
geiger@maui.net
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Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 16:38:17 EDT
From: Highlandmg@aol.com
Subject: Re: OT: Hate Crime?
Lance's site memorial for this person was removed for a Tos
Mary
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Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 16:53:14 EDT
From: Dotiran@aol.com
Subject: Re: OT:Meilani Paul in movie
In a message dated 4/16/01 2:58:14 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
julkm@home.com writes:
<<
I was very surprised to see Meilani in anything. I hadn't heard of her
since the Counterfeit episode of Highlander.
Oh she's been very busy doing movies. Some of them were more like soft porn,
Corporate Ladder, for example. But there was one movie she did recently,
however, which showed more promise. It was a straight to video action movie
in which she played an accomplice of a bad guy. She wore tight clothes and
carried a gun a lot, but it was an interesting. plotline. I'll have to think
on it to come up with the title however.
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Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:30:01 -1000
From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net>
Subject: Re: Duncan and hate crimes--& Methos, too
Elaine--
> I often ask why is it so much easier to extend a hand with a gun in it
that
> one which is open with friendship.
Or, a sword in it, for the Immies.
Maybe on some level, mortals are involved in their own Game, though who
created it & its Rules are as shrouded in mist as the Immortal version. My
personal guess involves the doctrine of free choice, but I'm sure others
would differ.
> Makes you wonder though, Duncan has lived 400 odd years and is saddened by
> it, what about Methos, maybe that's why he is such a cynic.
I see your point, but.... If something made Methos into a Horseman
relatively early in his extended existence, then surely the later millenia
didn't do that much _bad_ to him, if all that resulted was his trademark
cynicism. I've always thought Methos found solace in the world's sameness
over vast passages of time, rather than being exasperated or saddened by
humanity's fundamental lack of change. For him, odd duck that he is, it
would be a reassuring, even humorous, constancy, I think.
Nina (really not up for facing this week for real, so happy to play here...
also happy the list isn't dead yet... HL does seem doomed, though)
geiger@maui.net
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