HIGHLA-L Digest - 14 Apr 2001 to 15 Apr 2001 (#2001-123)
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There are 14 messages totalling 434 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Okay need Colby episode #'s or names (2)
2. OT: Hate Crime? (7)
3. Colby pics
4. OT:Meilani Paul in movie
5. {OT}: sorry (2)
6. AP's jacket on eBay
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 16:33:56 -1000
From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net>
Subject: Re: Okay need Colby episode #'s or names
Sandy--
> Her name was Bliss. Very silly.
Worse--her cutesy nickname was Rabbit. Blech.
>Btw, she is the same actress who played
> the Dr. Laura-type character who was blasted by President Bartlett in a
> favorite episode of The West Wing.
Ooh--I didn't recognize her, but that's a fun fact! I'm surprised she's
still acting, though.
Nora--
>>>one of the Colby sons
(I never could keep all the other characters straight) said, "He's cute
when he drinks.">>>
Now, THAT should be up for the prize-winning most inane bit of dialogue
ever. AP is cute when _breathing_. (Kolya, too.) Only time I recall the
adjective not fitting (though it could generally be replaced w/ something
much stronger & more luminous) is when AP played EDM in the bar scene of
SW's Euro version. Oh--& AP in Dark Shadows as Jeremiah Collins once he was
dead & decayed--not so cute. (Wonder if AP will be 100% cute in Tracker???
90% cute would be more interesting, w/ 10%
skin-crawling-nausea-inducing-sanity-endangering-alien for contrast.)
Kamil (our public servant)--
>>>Seems a few innocent-as-the-driven-snow types think that I
turned the, erm, most interesting of those three pics into
porn, by wickedly altering it with Photoshop. Not likely,
I'm not *that* good. Yet.>>>
You actually got mail on this??? Thank you notes, I hope. I sure saved a
pic for a rainy day.
>Most importantly, in this case, it *so* wasn't necessary.
Course not--that would be gilding the lily.
Nina (Happy Easter)
geiger@maui.net
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:03:13 -0700
From: Pat Lawson <plawson@webleyweb.com>
Subject: Re: OT: Hate Crime?
At 06:08 AM 4/14/01, ZK wrote:
>Pat said:
> > IMHO the Titanic movie falls more in the line of historical fiction.+
>...and yet I knew a woman (my grandma) who worked at NYC Women's
>and Children's hospital in 1912 when the survivors came in. She
>ran the reception/admitting desk and processed them in. She
>talked about the little boy whose picture was printed in the
>paper for months, whose parents were apparently lost. She talked
>about it for the rest of her life and I grew up seeing it as a
>real event, rather than history.
Aren't there a few survivors still alive too?
The Titanic movie was a love story involving fictional characters set
against the backdrop of a historical event. That's why I called it
historical fiction. The same could be said of many films set in WWII or
the Vietnam war. The Vietnam war is far more than history to me. That
doesn't make movies such as "Good Morning Vietnam" any less historical fiction.
I see two differences between the Titanic movie and exploitive "ripped from
the headlines" junk. They also apply to Lance's exploitation of a real
incident.
The sinking of the Titanic was a terrible accident, not a deliberate
and hideous crime.
The crime was a recent event. I'm sure for those touched by it the
memories and the pain are still all too vivid. In contrast, it's been
decades since the Titanic sank. While there are people still alive who
were touched, the events were a lifetime ago. The human mind is a
wonderful thing, and time does dull the edges of painful memories.
>I realize that people who did not encounter an era or event would
>see it as "history", and less personal.
Which is why I can't watch Oliver Stone films as well as a bunch of other
"historical" movies. They never get it right. Last year there was some
TV movie about the 60's, and the previews made me shudder. Been there,
done that, and it was nothing like they showed.
>I realize that people who did not encounter an era or event would
>see it as "history", and less personal. It goes a long way to
>explain the existence of 70's Retro. <g>
I thought that was because the clothes and hair styles were so cool. <g>
>The difficult thing is that any humor, even if it's apparently as
>unintentional as Lance's, will offend *someone*. I guess that
>the best that we can do is apologize for bruised feelings/sense
>of outrage and move on. :)
If it was intended a humor I would agree. I don't believe it was intended
as humor, but was a deliberate exploitation in an attempt to gather
sympathy and attention. Lance can correct me if I'm wrong and I'll
apologize for misjudging him. Until he does, I stand by my criticism.
Pat L.
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Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 00:35:47 -0400
From: KLZ <zklee@patriot.net>
Subject: Re: OT: Hate Crime?
>
> Could you give a bit more detail as to what's wrong with it,
> offensive about it, etc? Because I watch it (also to see Richard
> Burgi, I have to admit - he looks *fine*) and I really am
> enjoying it.
p-mail coming your way, Marina.
ZK (Oh Giiiiiiiiiiiiiinaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!)
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Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 16:52:14 +0800
From: myteddy <myteddy@bigpond.com>
Subject: Colby pics
Could someone pleeeease repost the link for "those pics" as I very =
stupidly deleted them.
Di
Stay Well
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Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 10:24:10 -0400
From: Karla Julian <julkm@home.com>
Subject: Re: OT:Meilani Paul in movie
Thought some people may be interested to know that Meilani Paul
(Adrian's ex) is in the movie Agent Red starring opposite Dolph
Lundgren. I have a feeling this movie went straight to video. I rented
it yesterday. It was ok.
:-)
Karla
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Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 10:26:20 -0400
From: Karla Julian <julkm@home.com>
Subject: {OT}: sorry
Hope that last message about Meilani Paul in the movie went plain text.
I apologize if it didn't.
:-)
Karla
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Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 10:57:54 EDT
From: Dotiran@aol.com
Subject: Re: Okay need Colby episode #'s or names
In a message dated 4/14/01 4:02:30 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
najones@ilstu.edu writes:
<< And then a brief scene of him
doing the Russian crouched dancing (well, more like in crab-walk position)
and falling on his butt.
ok. have that one too. whew.
scared me for a minute.
must have every second on film of that cute butt, er, I mean talent :)
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Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 11:12:05 -0400
From: Sandy <diamonique@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: OT: Hate Crime?
At 11:03 PM 04/14/01, Pat Lawson wrote:
>If it was intended a humor I would agree. I don't believe it was intended
>as humor, but was a deliberate exploitation in an attempt to gather
>sympathy and attention.
I agree. That's what makes it so sick.
>Lance can correct me if I'm wrong and I'll apologize for misjudging
>him. Until he does, I stand by my criticism.
:::standing beside Pat:::
-- Sandy (and let's not forget we're talking about the guy who puts himself
in the same category as Martin Luther King Jr. and Jesus Christ)
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Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 11:18:13 EDT
From: Highlandmg@aol.com
Subject: Re: OT: Hate Crime?
This child I hope is a child who does not any better to what he is posting.
I still think he is a kid as the times he posts He really does not know any
better. Maybe its a paper he is doing for school? he has been posting for a
while. We all have him on killfile. I do go read the unfiltered files when he
gets responses.. He has gone over the line a few times. He must use teachers
or t v names as his many names. He needs help though when he thinks of
himself as three greatest leaders of the world. Jesus,,, Martin Luther,
Gandhi
Mary
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Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 17:07:36 +0100
From: Jette Goldie <jette@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: {OT}: sorry
> Hope that last message about Meilani Paul in the movie went plain text.
> I apologize if it didn't.
It was plain text - don't worry.
Jette
Glory may be fleeting, but obscurity is forever!
bosslady@scotlandmail.com
http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/fanfic.html
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Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 14:57:34 EDT
From: Dotiran@aol.com
Subject: AP's jacket on eBay
This is the one that smells of his cologne *g*
Subject: Adrian's Purple Jacket
Date: 4/15/01 1:40 PM US Eastern Standard Time
From: <A HREF="aol://3548:Peacefund">Peacefund</A>
Message-id: <20010415144012.01980.00000179@ng-mk1.aol.com>
We've said we were going to auction Adrian's purple jacket and it's now up on
eBay.
<A HREF="http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1424244802">
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1424244802</A>
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Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 18:49:20 EDT
From: Lance Aldridge <GPrimeCEO@aol.com>
Subject: Re: OT: Hate Crime?
<<
So why is what Lance did, which I think is sick, worse than
that?=A0 To be honest, I feel pretty sick at some of the stuff on
TV too.>>
Why is it sick to honor a dead friend? Duncan did it many times in the=20
series.
<<.=A0=A0 Lance's
exploitation is portrayed as real.=A0=A0 Can you imagine someone new to the=20=
net
doing a search on Highlander and stumbling onto Lance's page?=A0 Or if an
entertainment reporter were to find it.=A0 =A0 A tabloid type might make ugl=
y
use of this garbage.>>
Exploitation??!! I am deeply disturbed that you and the others would go to=20
these lengths to discredit a youngf man who gave his life for Highlander. =20
Wht do you stand to gain by doing so? My friend gave his life for Connor an=
d=20
the Cause and i won't stand for the disrespect of his scrifice.
<<
I guess what pushed my buttons with relating a hate crime to the
"Save Connor" site is that he's treating it as though it really happened.>>
It did really happen. the Palocheks are in mourning. Have SOME compassion=20
about all of this--PLEASE.........
<<
The last time people started talking like this it was Lance's doing
as well. At least he's good for something...>>
Discussion is what will keep Highlander, and Connor alive.
<<
Based on Lance's copious postings here and on other HL forums, it's not
intended as a parody.=A0=A0 Since you've been fortunate enough to miss those=
I
can see why you'd think it is.=A0=A0 It is absurd, due to ineptitude not int=
ent.>>
There's nothing funny about a man's death.
<<
-- Sandy (and let's not forget we're talking about the guy who puts himself
in the same category as Martin Luther King Jr. and Jesus Christ)>>
I merely said that we all have similar characteristics, drive and passion. =20=
I=20
never said I was in the same category, though others have said it.
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Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 19:40:17 -0400
From: Dragon Lady <dragonlady@darkmage.net>
Subject: Re: OT: Hate Crime?
At 4/15/01 06:49 PM, Lance spewed forth:
>It did really happen. the Palocheks are in mourning. Have SOME compassion
>about all of this--PLEASE.........
Right ... a crime like this and no, absolutely NO media coverage? I doubt it.
So far you have exhibited all of the symptoms of your average delusional,
self serving troll. Nothing that anyone who's been on the net for any
length of time hasn't already seen ...
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
From: "Cyber-chumps are Net's Big Victims" by Andrew Vachss
<http://www.vachss.com/av_dispatches/disp_9701_a.html>
"[I] personally know of cases where individuals have self-created a total
persona ... and then went hunting. It's terrifyingly simple: First the
phony creates an Internet "magazine." All it takes is keystrokes. Then he
does a "story": on himself, using a made-up name as the "reporter's"
byline. Next he posts that story (and other similar fabrications) on
Websites devoted to a particular topic—say, child abuse survivors—and
provides links to another Website of his own creation, allegedly devoted to
the same topic. That Website refers anyone inquiring to an "organization"
headed by ... guess who?
If you want his "credentials," well you can either check the magazines
which defer to him as an authority and report his non-existent exploits, or
you can e-mail any of the many "references" he'll gladly provide. They're
all himself, of course. The non-existent organization periodically issues
press releases and spams every e-mail address it can find. At least one
cyber-chump will pick up the ball and run with it. Soon the lie has life.
And the liar has a constituency."
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Time for you to go spout your *crap* somewhere else, nobody here is buying.
--DL
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Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 17:46:31 -0700
From: Pat Lawson <plawson@webleyweb.com>
Subject: Re: OT: Hate Crime?
At 03:49 PM 4/15/01, Lance wrote:
>It did really happen. the Palocheks are in mourning. Have SOME compassion
>about all of this--PLEASE.........
Lance, please direct me to the news stories about this alleged murder. A
crime this sensational would have been reported by the press. It would
doubtless have been picked up and reported by the wire services. Don't
post a story on your web page, point me to a legitimate news
organization. If they are not on-line, provide the newspapers name &
location. I'll give them a call.
Barring that, tell me where the crime occurred so I can verify the story
with local law enforcement.
Highlander fans have in the past demonstrated their compassion and
caring. If this tale were true I'm sure they would do so again. Give us
some proof, some evidence, some actual information and you'll see
compassion. However, until you can provide independent proof of your tale
from a verifiable source please drop the pretense. I, for one, will not
be responding to you any longer.
Pat L. - feeling rather sad
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