HIGHLA-L Digest - 13 Apr 2001 to 14 Apr 2001 - Special issue
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Topics in this special issue:
1. HLDU reports??? (3)
2. OT: Hate Crime? (8)
3. Okay need Colby episode #'s or names (5)
4. Endgame DVD Thoughts (Long. Spoilers too.)
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 16:42:31 -1000
From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net>
Subject: HLDU reports???
Well, since the list is awake & all....
Anyone have any HLDU con reports to share or know of a site w/ some info?
Nina (& it's Peeps season....)
geiger@maui.net
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 23:32:34 EDT
From: Dotiran@aol.com
Subject: Re: HLDU reports???
In a message dated 4/13/01 9:43:00 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
geiger@maui.net writes:
<< Anyone have any HLDU con reports to share or know of a site w/ some info?
There are two or three reports on this site. You have to wade through lots
of other stuff, but several people who were there left reports.
http://www.hidef.com/discus
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 00:52:38 -0400
From: KLZ <zklee@patriot.net>
Subject: Re: OT: Hate Crime?
>
> Kamil--
> > That's unspeakably awful, and I feel terrible for not
> > realizing that crime had actually occurred. SNIP
> > But since his lack of anything resembling a moral center
> > isn't my problem, I think I'm going to go and contemplate
> > the error of my ways now.
>
> Relax, Kamil. I don't think anyone can condemn you for
> underestimating
> Lance's rampant iniquity. I suspect it happens w/ him all the
> time,
> whenever he interacts w/ people who, as you say, possess some
> version of a
> moral compass.
>
> Nina (tried to tie this into HL, but won't--it's way too ugly to
> be
> on-topic. as usual when Lance is in a thread--it's all about
> him.)
> geiger@maui.net
>
Yes, it's ugly. But I have to ask. We're wholesale condemning
Lance for exploiting a hate-crime for his - um - strange Connor
fantasies. Yet most TV stories are patterened, sometimes
blatantly, after RL crimes or tragic events. How many times do
we hear "stories ripped from the headlines"? Even sitcoms are
based on deception and misunderstanding, or worse. Titanic
exploited a RL disaster, where thousands of people died, for a
story of an illicit love affair. And they're all exploited for
<gasp> MONEY! Piles and piles of money made from re-telling
events that happened to real people. I was sickened a couple of
weeks ago when The Practice had a story about a hideous
carjacking murder, that was almost exactly like one that happened
in this area.
So why is what Lance did, which I think is sick, worse than
that? To be honest, I feel pretty sick at some of the stuff on
TV too.
ZK (just wondering)
zklee@huskynet.com
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 15:01:58 +1000
From: Sonja van den Ende <sonjav@powerup.com.au>
Subject: Re: HLDU reports???
Nina asked:
> >Anyone have any HLDU con reports to share or know of a site w/ some info?
Below is a post I sent to the hldu list. While it was originally aimed at
members who were there, I've added a few descriptions and it may help to
give you some info. If people are interested, and if no one else steps in
before me, I'll try to post a longer and more generally orientated post later.
Sonja V
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Hi everyone,
First of all, many *many* thanks to everyone for your kind words about the
con. It was a ton of fun putting it on and so having you say it was fun to
attend as well is a lovely reward.
The weekend *did* rock, didn't it? <g> Everyone got into the spirit of
things, attendees and Guests alike and the weekend turned into one big
party. Each of our 6 Guests took the time to tell us privately how much fun
they'd had and how much they'd enjoyed participating in the Premiere and
the Cruise - and their impromtu Sword Choreography Session.
I've reviewed the tapes from the weekend. Tash Natalenko did a great job on
the roving camera and I am *really* looking forward to cutting it all into
some great final presentations.
One of the highlights for me was having Peter Wingfield read Dylan Thomas
for us. I'll admit openly that I had tears running down my face by the end
of it. It was a moment I'll always remember, a moment that combined for me,
my love for Thomas' work and my awe at his craft in conveying imagery, the
skill of Peter W's reading and just the wonder of it all happening at a con
I'd helped put together. It was a preciously soppy moment for me <bg>
The combined reading of Rumi poems that Elizabeth and Peter did afterward
was equally special, beautiful and moving. I have never seen an audience
stay so totally still and silent for such a long time. And after Elizabeth
finished her song at the end, I saw more than one attendee quietly
pretending to remove an eyelash from their eye.
The Premiere, on the other hand, was nothing but hyper *fun*!!! Poor
Brisbane is still trying to figure out what the grand event was. We
bemused any number of people with our red carpet and Stars emerging from
limos to loud cheers and camera flashes. What a scream!!! There was a TV
truck parked across the road, with the crew on the radio, desperately
trying to work out what they's missed! LOL!! Peter W mentioned that he'd
never seen the movie before, so having him watch it with us was fun too.
Roberta Brown was one of our best 'wins'. When Roberta agreed to step in
for F.Braun McAsh, I'd never hear of her, but we thought it would be great
to have the sword choreography side of things presented from a woman's
perspective. Roberta proved to be a wonderful find! Her sword classes were
a lot of fun and she was a great speaker on stage. If you ever get the
chance to see her at a con, take it! Roberta was the mastermind behind the
Sunday morning Sword Fight Session. We had scheduled her to demonstrate how
a fight gets put together with help from The Contessa and James Horan.
Unbeknowns to Carmel or I, Roberta had talked to her fellow Guests during
the River Cruise on Saturday night and they had all decided to take
part. It ended up being an absolute scream!
They all took on roles to enact.
Maureen Russell: the Writer / Producer.
James Horan: the Director.
The Contessa: the Designer.
Roberta Brown: the Swordmaster and Stunt Double.
Peter Wingfield: the Star Of The Show
And Elizabeth Gracen played the Guest Star Diva.
So ... For an hour on Sunday morning, we (Guests and attendees alike) had a
ton of fun as the Guests overacted to the max while they caricatured what
really goes on on the set. It was an absolute riot and hilariously funny.
The poor Star Of The Show was horrified to learn that he hadn't gotten the
re-writes where he had become a wizard (and therefore had to wear a lovely
silk slip covered with stars and moons) "I'm supposed to be a serious
actor!" he cried vainly. "I've played Shakespeare, you know!" But to no
avail. The matter of his costume was referred by Maureen (the writer) to
the Executive Producers (the audience) for a final decision. And at that
point the poor Star knew he had no chance. LOL!!! On went the silk wizard
nighty over his t-shirt and on when his very sexy colendar helmet. "Don't I
at least get a string to hold it on?"
Hollywood has never filmed a sword fight quite like it <eg> We were able to
film the session with 2 cameras and got some *great* footage.
There are so many more things to talk about, but I have a house full of
boxes to be unpacked, sorted and stored away in some kind of re-findable order.
Thanks again to everyone who made it all possible, and who helped to make
it work on the day. HLDU is the richest of places because of you. :)
Sonja
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Sonja van den Ende, sonja@hldu.org sonjav@powerup.com.au
Co-convenor, Highlander DownUnder: The Official HL Club of Australia
Visit the HLDU club site: http://www.hldu.org
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 13:01:08 +0800
From: myteddy <myteddy@bigpond.com>
Subject: Re: OT: Hate Crime?
Because TV shows have a rider saying this is fiction or based on a true
story. They don't say this is real.
Di
Stay Well
> So why is what Lance did, which I think is sick, worse than
> that? To be honest, I feel pretty sick at some of the stuff on
> TV too.
>
> ZK (just wondering)
> zklee@huskynet.com
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 22:28:02 -0700
From: Pat Lawson <plawson@webleyweb.com>
Subject: Re: OT: Hate Crime?
ZK asked:
>Yes, it's ugly. But I have to ask. We're wholesale condemning
>Lance for exploiting a hate-crime for his - um - strange Connor
>fantasies. Yet most TV stories are patterened, sometimes
>blatantly, after RL crimes or tragic events. How many times do
>we hear "stories ripped from the headlines"?
Of course you're right that those types of TV shows are exploitive
too. That's one of the reasons I don't watch them. IMHO the Titanic
movie falls more in the line of historical fiction. The events happened
decades ago, not months ago.
>So why is what Lance did, which I think is sick, worse than
>that? To be honest, I feel pretty sick at some of the stuff on
>TV too.
The difference is the movies and TV shows are labeled as fiction. Lance's
exploitation is portrayed as real. Can you imagine someone new to the net
doing a search on Highlander and stumbling onto Lance's page? Or if an
entertainment reporter were to find it. A tabloid type might make ugly
use of this garbage.
Pat L.
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 15:53:30 +1000
From: Shaun Hately <drednort@alphalink.com.au>
Subject: Re: OT: Hate Crime?
Pat Lawson wrote:
>
> The difference is the movies and TV shows are labeled as fiction. Lance's
> exploitation is portrayed as real. Can you imagine someone new to the net
> doing a search on Highlander and stumbling onto Lance's page? Or if an
> entertainment reporter were to find it. A tabloid type might make ugly
> use of this garbage.
I've only recently rejoined the list - but I remember a few years ago
when I was on it, some listmembers making jokes relating to Highlander
about the worst serial killing in Australian history. I found them very
callous, and not at all funny because I knew one of the victims - not
well, but I did know them. But I could also understand why people made
the jokes and the comments.
I've looked at Lance's page - I don't see anything on it that portrays
the incident described as real. Indeed the whole page is so absurd that
to me, it looks almost like a parody of the 'rabid fan' archetype -
incredibly sloppy picture editing to make it look like there was a
protest march.
I don't know if Lance is for real or not - but to me, he's either
presenting a parody of the rabid fan - and doing a good enough job to
suck a lot of people in. Or he is a rabid fan, in which case, the best
thing to do is ignore what he does - nobody will take it seriously.
Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately |http://www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
|drednort@alphalink.com.au, drednort@au.mensa.org
|ICQ: 6898200
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in
common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter
the facts to fit the views. Which can be uncomfortable if you happen
to be one of the facts that need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who:
The Face of Evil
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 08:03:18 -0400
From: virginia foster <vfoster@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: OT: Hate Crime?
ZK asked:
>Yes, it's ugly. But I have to ask. We're wholesale condemning
>Lance for exploiting a hate-crime for his - um - strange Connor
>fantasies. Yet most TV stories are patterened, sometimes
>blatantly, after RL crimes or tragic events. How many times do
>we hear "stories ripped from the headlines"? Even sitcoms are
>based on deception and misunderstanding, or worse. Titanic
>exploited a RL disaster, where thousands of people died, for a
>story of an illicit love affair. And they're all exploited for
><gasp> MONEY! Piles and piles of money made from re-telling
>events that happened to real people. I was sickened a couple of
>weeks ago when The Practice had a story about a hideous
>carjacking murder, that was almost exactly like one that happened
>in this area.
>
I treat it the same way. I don't watch movies that are based on
real horrifying events. The idea that someone's pain is exploited
so that some studio execs can make a few bucks is ludicrous.
And no, I don't watch reality tv shows either. Must be why I
like stuff like Star Wars, Stargate or Highlander. :-)
Granted, I do sometimes watch The District, and that's based on
the troubles of a whole city. Though sadly I have to admit I watch
that because Richard Burgi (Sentinel) is sometimes on there. So
even I do slip up sometimes, but I can't remember that I've ever
watch a movie based on a kidnapping, a murder, a hate crime.
I guess what pushed my buttons with relating a hate crime to the
"Save Connor" site is that he's treating it as though it really happened.
He took a very real and horrifying event and twisted it to fit his site,
even though I doubt that his "victim" ever even existed. And he openly
blamed Pro Duncan people for it. oh please!! I know lots of HL fans
and lots of Pro Duncan fans and I can't imagine any of them being
sick and cruel enough to do something that evil just because of a
freaking fictional character!!
okay.. I'll shut up now. maybe. <bg>
virginia
(watched Til Death the other night. woo hoo!! It was like
seeing an old friend again after a long absence)
vfoster@mindspring.com *@*@* http://www.mindspring.com/~vfoster/va.html
"I saw the movie Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon and I didn't see any tigers
or dragons. Then I realized why, they were crouching and hidden."
Steve Martin at the 2001 Academy Awards
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 09:08:55 -0400
From: KLZ <zklee@patriot.net>
Subject: Re: OT: Hate Crime?
DISCUSSION on Highla-L! Woo hoo! SERIOUS discussion! Of heavy
things! Lance may be - um - yeah - but at least ppl are
talking! Talk about old friends after an absence, Virginia! The
best discussion of fiction I've had lately with anyone was over a
very good piece of f@nf!c.
Pat said:
> IMHO the
> Titanic
> movie falls more in the line of historical fiction. The events
> happened
> decades ago, not months ago.
...and yet I knew a woman (my grandma) who worked at NYC Women's
and Children's hospital in 1912 when the survivors came in. She
ran the reception/admitting desk and processed them in. She
talked about the little boy whose picture was printed in the
paper for months, whose parents were apparently lost. She talked
about it for the rest of her life and I grew up seeing it as a
real event, rather than history.
> A tabloid type might
> make ugly
> use of this garbage.
I hadn't thought of that. Considering the number of Good Times
virus hoaxes I get, you have a point.
I realize that people who did not encounter an era or event would
see it as "history", and less personal. It goes a long way to
explain the existence of 70's Retro. <g>
Shaun's back and posting:
>
> I've only recently rejoined the list -
::::: waving at Shaun :::::
> I found
> them very
> callous, and not at all funny because I knew one of the victims -
> not
> well, but I did know them. But I could also understand why people
> made
> the jokes and the comments.
Yeah, it hits too close to home. I didn't know the woman who was
killed in that carjacking, but it was a terrible thing.
The difficult thing is that any humor, even if it's apparently as
unintentional as Lance's, will offend *someone*. I guess that
the best that we can do is apologize for bruised feelings/sense
of outrage and move on. :)
>
> Granted, I do sometimes watch The District, and that's based on
> the troubles of a whole city.
Yes, but it's so far off base that I can't watch it, which
doesn't fit with my own won't-watch-reality-based-shows code.
That show offends some people deeply, and having watched and
experienced DC's turmoil for the past - oh - 29 years this June
(whippersnappers!), I think that the whole premise is a slap in
the face to the people who are really bringing it around. I wish
to <deity> they'd done a show closer to the truth. The truth is
more hideous and ultimately more inspiring than any fiction they
could come up with.
So much for consistency, huh? ;-D
> Though sadly I have to admit I
> watch
> that because Richard Burgi (Sentinel) is sometimes on there.
Hah. The truth comes out. Did you happen to notice that one of
the guests on Farscape resembles one of them thar SW characters?
At least I thought so. ;-)
ZK (of course, I also knew a man who met Queen Victoria, so
there)
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 09:25:49 -0500
From: sbdrake <sbdrake@netsync.net>
Subject: Okay need Colby episode #'s or names
Okay need Colby episode #'s or names Does anyone have the list of the
Colby episode or names adrian was in. I get the soap network and they
are re running it and I would like to catch nthose episodes. Thnaks for
the help Susan
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:32:31 +0800
From: Gerry Alanguilan <gerry@alanguilan.com>
Subject: Endgame DVD Thoughts (Long. Spoilers too.)
I finally got around to watching the Endgame DVD fully and I found myself
liking it a LOT. I remember being disappointed by some aspects of the
theatrical release, but this DVD amazingly addresses some of the concerns
that I had (though not fully), as if they had read my mind and actually did
something about it. For those who hadn't seen the DVD yet, I have to let
you know that this is a somewhat different movie from what you have seen in
the theaters. Some dialogue was edited out, some scenes were added in, and
there is a totally different ending.
SPOILERS
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"HOLY GROUND". What bothered me a lot about the theatrical release was how
killings were done on Holy Ground without much consequence, repercussion,
thunder and lighting or whatever is supposed to happen. In the DVD, the
dialogue where Methos mentions that the sanctuary was located on Holy
Ground was edited out. In the commentary, the producers confirm this
deletion. Doesn't exactly make me feel better actually, because it creates
more problems than it solves. Why would immortals wish to be deaf, blind
and helpless in a place that is NOT Holy Ground? Why let yourself be
vulnerable in a place where it's possible for you to get killed? It doesn't
make sense. Some comments have been made toward the wisdom of withdrawing
from the game, and from life in general. To me, it's actually plausible.
This was tackled before in movies like "Forever Young" where a 30's pilot
played by Mel Gibson chooses to freeze himself to forget a devastating
event in his life.
FAITH LIVES! After getting over the gross inconsistency of this Holy Ground
thing, I actually found myself enjoying the rest of the movie. Watching
the theatrical release, I felt kind of depressed because some cool
immortals were killed. Donnie Yen for one (more on him later), and Lisa B,
playing Faith. I thought it was pretty brutal to have her killed and the
thought haunted me for a while after watching it. So I was pretty
surprised when I saw this DVD and saw that Faith actually lives in the
end. And as far as I understand it, it basically changes the canon
established by the theatrical release. Whatever you see in this DVD, it's
pretty much the final word on how this story goes. I don't know how other
people think of Faith, but I was really glad she lived, and wouldn't mind
seeing her again.
DONNIE. Hot damn, this guy is cool! There is more footage on the DVD with
Adrian's fight with Donnie and it looks pretty amazing. I was pretty
disappointed by how this character was handled in general in the
movie. I'm led to believe that this is a legendary character, and an
honorable one to boot. I had hoped to see him finish his fight with
Duncan, and I certainly wish he had put up a fight instead of letting Bruce
Payne just take his head off. In an alternate scene in the DVD, we
actually see Donnie take his own head depriving Bruce the opportunity to
take his head. At some point, I get the impression that this scene was
seriously considered for inclusion in the movie, but since they couldn't
pull it off convincingly in the effects, it was left out all together.
Considerable time is given in showing how the effects in this scene were
developed and tested. I would have been happy if they let it in the movie
itself though. I think Donnie deserves a better end than what's on the
final version.
Other Effects. They played around with the idea of Connor manifesting
himself more fully in the final battle with Adrian and Bruce. At some
point, it would seem that Connor jumps out of Duncan and they both fight
Bruce, but the they were never fully happy with the effects so they just
ended up morphing Connor's face into Duncan for an instant.
BRUCE IS FUNNY. This guy is a villain we love to hate. He exudes nothing
but menace and evil. If you want to keep this impression of him in you
mind, then DON'T watch the Behind the Scenes documentary. It turns out
this Bruce guy is quite a clown on the set. It's pretty hilarious to see
him joke around and make faces. He farts in one scene, makes faces behind
the director in another. Jeez! :)
JVC NO MORE. After seeing the theatrical version, I had mentioned here how
pissed I was over that HUGE JVC sign lording it over the background as
Duncan and Connor fought. Guess what, here in the DVD, you see the JVC
sign only once or twice, and for the rest of the time, the sign is blurred
beyond recognition. They make mention of it in the commentary, saying how
they didn't notice it the first time around. Yeah right!
THERES ANOTHER FILM IN HERE! Yeah, there is a full length alternate movie
in the 2nd disc of the DVD. It's an earlier, full length 100 minute
cut. The music is different, some of the effects aren't there yet, scenes
are edited and distributed differently, and there are many scenes that
never made the theatrical cut, as well as the final DVD cut. There were
some scenes here that I sort of liked over the final cut. One scene is
where Connor begs Duncan to take his head. Some of the emotions and
dialogue delivery were more desperate, more heartfelt. Duncan saying,
almost whispering, "Oh Connor I can't do it" was so powerful it really
struck me bad.
Jim Byrne's scene where he shoots the renegade watcher is longer, with more
dialogue, and it's inserted in a totally different place altogether. In
the alternate version, this happens on the rooftop where Duncan has just
taken Connor's head.
There is a small subplot where Connor leaves a christmas tree yearly for a
parish. After Connor is killed, Duncan continues the tradition.
There is a scene where Bruce Payne is on a bed with two fully naked women.
Whew!!
AUDIO COMMENTARY. It was pretty interesting listening to the commentary. I
wish the director had his say here, but it is nevertheless informative to
have the producers Bill Panzer and Peter Davis, Editor Robert Feretti and
Dimension Executive Daniel Gross share their thoughts about working in the
movie. It's amazing how they convinced me that the opening scene with
Duncan and Connor was actually happening in New York when their scenes were
actually filmed in Romania. There were some reservations on working on
that location, which they made light of in the commentary, but you get the
sense that they were a big deal during the shooting itself. All in
all, quite a fun commentary to listen to.
There are more features in this DVD like easter eggs (how fitting), Deleted
Scenes, and Interactive game, but I haven't had the chance to go over them
yet.
As a Highlander fan, I was quite satisfied with this DVD.
Gerry
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 17:24:19 +0200
From: Marina Bailey <tmar@fast.co.za>
Subject: Re: OT: Hate Crime?
ZK wrote:
>DISCUSSION on Highla-L! Woo hoo! SERIOUS discussion! Of heavy
>things! Lance may be - um - yeah - but at least ppl are
>talking!
The last time people started talking like this it was Lance's doing
as well. At least he's good for something...
... although after viewing the page and the actual original
story he copied the idea from, I have to question his sanity.
Really. What kind of sick mind takes something that really
happened and turns it into a fannish endeavour, complete with
bashing of other fans?
I think it's one thing to take an actual event, fictionalise it
and put it on a TV show (many of these terrible events are shown
to be *wrong*, so they're not all bad - people will see them and
maybe think twice before doing something similar - or behaving in
a particular way) and another to take an actual event, change the
names and pretend it happenedsomewhere else. That's plagiarism
(although it doesn't fit the strict definition, I know).
>> A tabloid type might make ugly use of this garbage.
>I hadn't thought of that. Considering the number of Good Times
>virus hoaxes I get, you have a point.
Yeah. All we need is for a tabloid to get hold of this to prove
how insane HL fans are. I think the number of insane HL fans so
far is... one.
[The District]
>Yes, but it's so far off base that I can't watch it, [snip]
>That show offends some people deeply, [snip] I wish
>to <deity> they'd done a show closer to the truth. The truth is
>more hideous and ultimately more inspiring than any fiction they
>could come up with.
Could you give a bit more detail as to what's wrong with it,
offensive about it, etc? Because I watch it (also to see Richard
Burgi, I have to admit - he looks *fine*) and I really am
enjoying it.
>Hah. The truth comes out. Did you happen to notice that one of
>the guests on Farscape resembles one of them thar SW characters?
>At least I thought so. ;-)
No. Who? :)
>ZK (of course, I also knew a man who met Queen Victoria, so
>there)
My mother met Nelson Mandela. Nyah. ;)
- Marina.
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T-shirt idea.
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 09:01:59 -1000
From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net>
Subject: Re: Okay need Colby episode #'s or names
AP was in most of the shows aired in its final season (1986-7, I think).
Don't know if soaps have ep names.
Some shows he's just in a bit, while others his plot line dominates. He
played Nikolai (Kolya) Rostov, a Russian ballet dancer who falls for Bliss
Colby; his character was based on the Baryshnikov role in White Nights, or
so I've read. _ALL_ his shows are worth watching. (What that man does for
a pair of tights.... And there's a certain unitard he {almost} wears that
should be bronzed....) He dances (a lot, mostly ballet-type stuff); he
strides along the beach & at poolside (source of the infamous Speedo still);
he plays tennis; he woos an obnoxious girl w/ a silly name; his Russian
accent dwindles to roughly DM's Euro brogue; he scales buildings tall & not
so tall; he emotes w/ abandon. There are several other familiar faces
floating around--Charlton Heston, Tracy Scoggins, Nana Visitor, Maxwell
Caulfield, etc. You'll love it.
Nina
geiger@maui.net
> Okay need Colby episode #'s or names Does anyone have the list of the
> Colby episode or names adrian was in. I get the soap network and they
> are re running it and I would like to catch nthose episodes. Thnaks for
> the help Susan
>
>
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 15:13:43 -0400
From: Sandy <diamonique@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Okay need Colby episode #'s or names
At 03:01 PM 04/14/01, Geiger wrote:
>Some shows he's just in a bit, while others his plot line dominates. He
>played Nikolai (Kolya) Rostov, a Russian ballet dancer who falls for Bliss
>Colby; his character was based on the Baryshnikov role in White Nights, or
>so I've read. _ALL_ his shows are worth watching. (What that man does
>for a pair of tights.... And there's a certain unitard he {almost} wears that
>should be bronzed....)
Oh lordy, Nina. Don't make me pull out my Colbys tape. I'm already in
bed with a mild fever. Don't need my temperature raised any more than it
already is!
>He dances (a lot, mostly ballet-type stuff); he strides along the beach &
>at poolside (source of the infamous Speedo still); he plays tennis; he
>woos an obnoxious girl w/ a silly name;
Her name was Bliss. Very silly. Btw, she is the same actress who played
the Dr. Laura-type character who was blasted by President Bartlett in a
favorite episode of The West Wing.
-- Sandy
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 09:13:29 -1000
From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net>
Subject: Re: OT: Hate Crime?
ZK asks--
> So why is what Lance did, which I think is sick, worse than
> that? To be honest, I feel pretty sick at some of the stuff on
> TV too.
Yeah, but it's clear what they are doing & everyone can knowing choose
whether to watch such TV shows. The very "ripped from the headlines" blurbs
tell us what's going on. Lance has no disclaimer; he is passing this off as
both true AND applicable to his personal agenda. That's sick.
Also, there's arguably some educational value to the TV stuff. People are
made aware. Some folks will end up working against such horrors; others, it
is to be hoped, will refrain from perpetrating them. I don't see much of
that aspect on Lance's site. I just see Lance's agenda.
Nina
geiger@maui.net
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 15:41:48 EDT
From: Dotiran@aol.com
Subject: Re: Okay need Colby episode #'s or names
<< And there's a certain unitard he {almost} wears that
>should be bronzed....)
Several of them. Black once. Red once. But though I have the tapes, I wish I
could remember which point in the storyline the SILVER unitard appears. I
need to review that tape again.....and again....anyone remind me how far into
the season the silver unitard episode was or what point into the story line
it was? [and was he only in one season? His story line ends in the tapes I
have with agreeing to marry Bliss as they are talking by the pool :)]
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 09:56:27 -1000
From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net>
Subject: Re: Okay need Colby episode #'s or names
my drool--
> << And there's a certain unitard he {almost} wears that
> >should be bronzed....)
Dorothy's drool--
> Several of them. Black once. Red once. But though I have the tapes, I wish
I
> could remember which point in the storyline the SILVER unitard appears.
THAT'S the one. Makes my teeth hurt to think of it....
My tape is several gens from the original & is JUST AP's scenes, so I can't
help as to which shows this unitard "stars" in. I do believe it is latish
in my tape though--maybe when he's auditioning the divas to take sister's
place as partner??? (And did anyone else notice how little sis & bro
resembled each other? Admittedly, this poor actress is not exactly obvious
when standing next to AP, but the casting still seems odd.)
>and was he only in one season? His story line ends in the tapes I
> have with agreeing to marry Bliss as they are talking by the pool :)]
Yes, he's just in the last season; the show was cancelled. I think the
proposal was in the cliffhanger.
Nina
geiger@maui.net
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