HIGHLA-L Digest - 29 Dec 2006 to 30 Dec 2006 (#2006-22)
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Topics of the day:
1. From "Tough Guy" to "The Outback Stars"/Stargate Atlantis (8)
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Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 09:07:12 +0200
From: T'Mar <tmar@polka.co.za>
Subject: Re: From "Tough Guy" to "The Outback Stars"/Stargate Atlantis
Kamil wrote:
>And I'm astonished, astonished I tell you, that no one has mentioned
>the slash pairing that's spawned thousands of gigabytes of archives so
>far - Sheppard/McKay.
Ssshh!! Someone might go to one of them and find my stories!!
- Marina.
--
"When we all remember we are mad, the mysteries disappear and
life stands explained." - Mark Twain
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Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 01:12:17 -0600
From: Kamil <kamilaa@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: From "Tough Guy" to "The Outback Stars"/Stargate Atlantis
<Marina>
Ssshh!! Someone might go to one of them and find my stories!!
O RLY? *googles*
<weg>
--
Kamil
The Wave: Do you read Gandalf slash?
Ian McKellan: Well, I'm quite a fan of pornography. I think it's a
very good idea. I think it stops people from going out and hurting
each other.
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Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 10:44:06 -0500
From: Wendy <jjswbt@cox.net>
Subject: Re: From "Tough Guy" to "The Outback Stars"/Stargate Atlantis
Kamil wrote:
>>And I'm astonished, astonished I tell you, that no one has mentioned
>>the slash pairing that's spawned thousands of gigabytes of
>> archives so far - Sheppard/McKay.
Marina:
> Ssshh!! Someone might go to one of them and find my stories!!
See...this is what I don't get about slash even after over 15 years ...
Sheppard/McKay????????? In what universe would those two be attracted
to each other? (And don't say Pegasus!). I'm not saying it's "wrong" to
slash them - only that I can't see any reasonable situation where they
would be interested in each other (and *not* because they have both been
shown to like women). They just strike me as an unlikely pair to decide
to bugger each other (unless Rodney was conducting a
universe-shattering experiment and Sheppard was under the influence of
alien drugs ) <eg>.
Wendy (I think Carson/Ronon sounds right)(If I was interested in such
things.)
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Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 17:59:18 +0200
From: T'Mar <tmar@polka.co.za>
Subject: Re: From "Tough Guy" to "The Outback Stars"/Stargate Atlantis
Kamil wrote:
>><Marina>Ssshh!! Someone might go to one of them and find my stories!!
>O RLY? *googles*
Well... yes. :)
>See...this is what I don't get about slash even after over 15 years ...
>Sheppard/McKay????????? In what universe would those two be attracted
>to each other? (And don't say Pegasus!). I'm not saying it's "wrong" to
>slash them - only that I can't see any reasonable situation where they
>would be interested in each other (and *not* because they have both been
>shown to like women). They just strike me as an unlikely pair to decide
>to bugger each other (unless Rodney was conducting a
>universe-shattering experiment and Sheppard was under the influence of
>alien drugs ) <eg>.
I think I read that one. No, I'm not kidding. :)
But... I honestly think slash - and the characters you think should be
slashed
- is in the eye of the beholder.
For example, when you suggested Mitchell/Sheppard, I was just like, "No
way!!" Same with O'Neill/Daniel. I mean, I've read hundreds of
O'Neill/Daniel
stories and although the stories themselves are good, I just don't get that
pairing. Honestly, it's just a personal thing. Can I tell you why
McKay/Sheppard
and not O'Neill/Daniel? Not really. I just like one pairing more than
another.
It might be the personalities of the characters, whether I myself think
they "mesh"
or not... who the hell knows.
I guess it's sort of like Star Trek... one of the actors said the best
reason he had
heard for why it was so successful was... "Because people like it."
I don't see the point of trying to explain more than that... because
when I do,
someone says, "But what about...?" and then I realise that's not it at
all. I just
like slash. And that pairing. Deal with it. :-P
>(I think Carson/Ronon sounds right) (If I was interested in such things.)
No. Ew. (See?) <g>
- Marina.
--
"I did it all to myself, I have no one else to blame. And I
cannot regret one single moment of it." - from THE THORN BIRDS
by Colleen McCullough
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Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 11:06:20 -0500
From: Sandy Fields <diamonique@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: From "Tough Guy" to "The Outback Stars"/Stargate Atlantis
At 02:52 AM 12/29/2006, R. A. Shelton wrote:
>Wow, I'm behind on my Atlantis. I didn't even know she was headed
>there. We don't need her! And isn't Mitchell already on Atlantis? I
>guess he's actually just a 'guest star' still, and not on every ep or
>anything.
I'm behind, too. Does the show still air? When? I haven't seen it listed
in ages (other than reruns). Or maybe I'm just missing it?
-- S
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Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 18:19:31 +0200
From: T'Mar <tmar@polka.co.za>
Subject: Re: From "Tough Guy" to "The Outback Stars"/Stargate Atlantis
Sandy Fields wrote:
>I'm behind, too. Does the show still air? When? I haven't seen it
>listed in ages (other than reruns). Or maybe I'm just missing it?
No, it's only starting sometime in the New Year. There's one
station in Canada airing new Atlantis episodes (but they left
one out, darn them!) though.
- Marina.
--
"Was Jack the Ripper really a 60-foot sea monster from Scotland?
Did I take this job for a quick buck? We may never know the
answers to these questions." - Henry Silva; Amazon Women on the
Moon
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Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 12:32:24 -0500
From: Wendy <jjswbt@cox.net>
Subject: Re: From "Tough Guy" to "The Outback Stars"/Stargate Atlantis
Marina:
> But... I honestly think slash - and the characters you think
> should be slashed - is in the eye of the beholder.
True. But I suppose I can't help trying to see what makes any given
pairing attractive to someone.
> Honestly, it's just a personal thing. Can I tell you why
> McKay/Sheppard and not O'Neill/Daniel? Not really.
> I just like one pairing more than another.
>
> It might be the personalities of the characters, whether I
> myself think they "mesh" or not... who the hell knows.
I think that is what I don't "get" about McKay/Sheppard - I don't see
their personalities as messing at all. But that's just me <g>
> I just like slash.
We know :-)
> And that pairing. Deal with it. :-P
I can deal. I just wondered what about it made you go "ah ha!". I
mean......why? I could watch HL:TS and , while I didn't agree that
Methos/Duncan was realistic in terms of on-screen canon, I could see why
the two characters would lend themselves to slashing. The two had
chemistry <eg> I just don't see any of that chemistry with McKay and
Sheppard. But what do I know?
> >(I think Carson/Ronon sounds right) (If I was interested in
> such things.)
>
> No. Ew. (See?) <g>
I just thought the caring Scot and the world-weary warrior might find
some opportunities to comfort each other. A few bandages, a back rub,
some alien scented oils and who knows what might happen? I can see
Zelenka/McKay..they have one of those "Moonlighting"
relationships..hate.... hate.... hate...wild sex on the floor ..hate....
hate...
Wendy ( Slash - the Immortal Topic)
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Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 22:13:57 +0200
From: T'Mar <tmar@polka.co.za>
Subject: Re: From "Tough Guy" to "The Outback Stars"/Stargate Atlantis
Wendy wrote:
>True. But I suppose I can't help trying to see what makes any given
>pairing attractive to someone.
Nah, I don't care what other people like. I mean, some people want
to slash Bodie and Doyle from The Professionals and I think they're
insane! I've had "why they're such a purrrrfect couple" explained to me
over and over, and nope, don't see it. Never have, never will. But
they can think that if they like; it doesn't affect my enjoyment of the show
in the least.
>I think that is what I don't "get" about McKay/Sheppard - I don't see
>their personalities as messing at all. But that's just me <g>
So... the fact that they play games together off-duty, hang out in each
other's rooms, try to sabotage each other's romantic relationships, and
fight
like they're married... this doesn't work for you? <g>
I guess it's the way TPTB choose to show "male bonding" on screen. In
certain shows, with certain characters, the way it's done makes me think
that, if you replaced one of the male characters with a female character,
everyone would immediately think there was something between them
(did I just quote Peter Wingfield? <g>). But because they're both guys,
*gasp*, no, that's not possible!!
>I can deal. I just wondered what about it made you go "ah ha!". I
>mean......why?
I've tried to explain this before, but shall I try again? No? Too bad; you
asked!
It's never the particular characters *on screen* that make me like a
pairing: it's a type of *story*. It's that one long, angst-filled story
where
each character has to overcome their own issues and obstacles (fear
of being thought of as gay, regulations, fear of relationships in general,
whatever) and in the end they become a couple - hot monkey sex
optional (but I quite like it if it's in the story).
It's that one story that provides the motivation for every *other* story,
if you see what I'm saying. After reading *that* story, a person suddenly
"gets" that pairing, and then the pairing seems quite natural. It's only
THEN
that one finds "slashy bits" in the show. At least, this is how it works
*for
me*. It might be different for other slash fans, but I've already said I
don't really care about how it works for others as long as they keep the
slashy goodness coming!
>I could watch HL:TS and , while I didn't agree that Methos/Duncan was
>realistic in terms of on-screen canon, I could see why the two characters
>would lend themselves to slashing. The two had chemistry <eg>
Oooh, don't bring up the "c" word!! But I do get your point. I, however,
only "got" the Duncan/Methos pairing after reading the "Dark Into Light"
series by Kellie and Julia. In point of fact there was a story (second
part?;
can't remember; haven't read it for years) in that series in which there was
a threesome with Duncan, Methos and a female character. And I got so
engrossed in the story I was just waiting for them to realise they didn't
*need* the female character. I wrote to Kellie and said, "But they should
have got together, just the two of them! You're keeping me in suspense!"
And she wrote back and said that it was too early for that, but wait. Later,
when I read the third (or whatever; can't remember) story "Daybreak" (or
something - it was like a decade ago, okay) and they finally *did* get
together, I was thrilled, and that pairing became real to me.
>I just don't see any of that chemistry with McKay and Sheppard.
You must not be watching the same show I am. Actually, I'm not sure if
any two fans ever watch exactly the same show!
>I just thought the caring Scot and the world-weary warrior might find
>some opportunities to comfort each other. A few bandages, a back rub,
>some alien scented oils and who knows what might happen?
After you said that in the other post I had this flashback to "Runner" where
Carson is like, "You have to take your shirt off" and Ronon didn't want
to, and Carson still wasn't intimidated... please, please, don't do this
to me,
Wendy! Either write it or don't bring it up! My brain is melting here!!
>I can see Zelenka/McKay..they have one of those "Moonlighting"
>relationships..hate.... hate.... hate...wild sex on the floor ..hate....
>hate...
Nah. They're more like fighting siblings. And Rodney really does respect
Radek. He even said so in (I think) "Tao of Rodney".
>( Slash - the Immortal Topic)
Hey, I can type reams about slash. It helps me get a handle on why I
like it, even though I don't really care why. I just do!
- Marina.
--
"Nothing in the world is the way it ought to be. It's harsh and
it's cruel, but that's why there's us ... We live as though the
world were how it should be, to show it what it can be." - Angel
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