HIGHLA-L Digest - 14 Mar 2006 to 15 Mar 2006 - Special issue (#2006-57)
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There are 18 messages totalling 815 lines in this issue.
Topics in this special issue:
1. Debbie? Debbie? RE: HL Alum HI Debbie!!
2. HLWW, Carmel and Cons... (5)
3. Source SPOILERS--possibly (3)
4. Moving along - actual talk about Highlander (4)
5. lurker looking for a story (4)
6. To spoil or not to spoil
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 07:39:33 +0200
From: TMar <tmar@polka.co.za>
Subject: Re: Debbie? Debbie? RE: HL Alum HI Debbie!!
>As it was, the story is very much the way such characters in America
>would have lived
I have no doubt. But to me the movie was still boring. Luckily I knew how
it would end. I would have been rather upset otherwise!
>the short story and the movie may be more realistic than is truly
>good for interesting story-telling (and by "interesting" I mean of
>interest to perverts like you<eg>).
Debbie! Wendy called me a pervert! But it ain't a lie. :)
- Marina. (DE-EEEBBBIIIEEE!!)
\\ "I'm like every other kid in America. We all ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
// wanna be astronauts... 'to boldly go where || R I C H I E >> \\
\\ no man has gone before'." - Matt Sikes to ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
// Cathy Frankel; Green Eyes (Alien Nation) ||````````````````\\
\\===============tmar@polka.co.za===============||,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,//
//=============Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie============\\
"Nothing in the world is the way it ought to be. It's harsh and
it's cruel, but that's why there's us ... We live as though the
world were how it should be, to show it what it can be." - Angel
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 09:44:40 -0000
From: John Mosby - Laptop <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: HLWW, Carmel and Cons...
>
> Libelous? Sounds like you need a nap. And possibly medication. You've
> gone from querulous indignation right through tiresome pontification to
> slavering lunacy. Stop. I don't even like you, & I'm embarrassed for
> you.
If someone infers that someone makes money from a project - when it's been
said countless times before and is widely known that they don't - it's
either blind ignorance or deliberate mischief and insinuation of something
of something improper .
As for the rest. No witty comebacks Nina, I'm too tired. Sod off.
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 07:35:38 -0600
From: Carmel Macpherson <carmelmacpherson@internode.on.net>
Subject: Re: Source SPOILERS--possibly
Hi all
Isn't it disappointing when people consistently rise to your
lowest expectations.....Sigh...
<Wendy>
"Someone besides DDP should be making a living off of HL
fans, why not Carmel?.."
<Carmel>
Dear oh dear. Oh dear. I have no idea what malicious
pleasure it consistently gives people like you and Nina to
slander and malign any person who seems to get pleasure out
of life and out of the Highlander fandom. I gave up trying
to understand that years ago.
Years ago, this was a great list. You, Wendy, were central
to that and I was one of those who really appreciated and
enjoyed your wit and your incisive commentaries. I like
many others left Highla-l because all of that changed and it
became a truly toxic place that I had no desire to visit. I
also think that people like you thrive on throwing out
maliciousness and bathing in the toxic backwash you create.
I intend departing from this truly awful place because you
and those who support you do nothing positive to support
Highlander. You thrive on the negative - and snipe, bitch
and moan at any opportunity.
For the record, I make more than enough in my occupation to
support myself and my family. Anyone who has worked with me
knows how important personal integrity is to me and why you
would want to slander me in such a malicious way is a
mystery to me. It seems to truly gall you that a group of
people choose to work their butts off to support Highlander.
I'm sorry that we are all joyful people who take delight in
life and in bringing fans together from around the world.
We laugh. We enjoy each other's company. We have no
familiarity with the awful places in which people like you
choose to dwell.
If anyone could let me know how to get out of this awful
place - a place which even the list moderator abandoned
years ago - I would be eternally grateful.
Carmel Macpherson.
President. HLWW
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 09:51:34 -0500
From: kageorge <kageorge1@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: HLWW, Carmel and Cons...
Wendy wrote:
A bunch of sarcastic bullshit. There's a vast range of space to discuss
Highlander, the cons, the canon, the actors, the ethos, etc., that falls
somewhere between "everything's wonderful" (as you have sarcastically
said below) and "everything's shite", which is your usual conversational
gambit. Either extreme is wrong, and either extreme isn't a
conversation, it's just blather.
Evidently, you're not really interested in conversation. You're just
interested in getting a rise out of people, as you explicitly state
below. In online parlance, that kind of person is usually called a troll.
MacG
>John, Leah, Rottie, MacGeorge take me to task.
>
><snip the task-taking>
>
>Damn ... I can get a rise out of everyone but Debbie. Maybe she really
>is dead.
>
>Maybe sweetness&light will work.
>
>HL:TS good.
>
>Cons good.
>
>HLWW good.
>
>Carmel good.
>
>Discussion good.
>
>Actors good.
>
>Fans good.
>
>Movies good.
>
>French good.
>
>John good.
>
>HIGHLA-L good.
>
>Blues good.
>
>Leeds good.
>
>Bond polls good.
>
>DDP good.
>
>Rottie good.
>
>Virtual bricks good.
>
>Novels good.
>
>HL:Raven good.
>
>Canadians good.
>
>Guest stars good.
>
>Kilts good.
>
>Wendy (Debbie dead.)
>
>Immortals Inc.
>immortals_incorporated@cox.net
>"Weasels for Eternity"
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 10:40:09 -0500
From: Wendy <Immortals_Incorporated@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Source SPOILERS--possibly
And here John told us Carmel wasn't here anymore.
> Dear oh dear. Oh dear. I have no idea what malicious
> pleasure it consistently gives people like you and Nina to
> slander and malign any person who seems to get pleasure out
> of life and out of the Highlander fandom. I gave up trying
> to understand that years ago.
Hey, Carmel! Did you bother to read my response to John's editorial? I
said some very nice things about you.
And, just out of curiosity - did you unsubscribe me from HLWW or did
Yahoo just pick an oddly coincidental time to hiccup?
> If anyone could let me know how to get out of this awful
> place - a place which even the list moderator abandoned years
> ago - I would be eternally grateful.
Debbie's avatar sends out the instructions on a regular basis. The last
time was less that 2 weeks ago.
In the spirit of cooperation so famous in HL fandom, try this:
Send a message to: listserv@lists.psu.edu with the words "Unsub
HIGHLA-L" in it.
Wendy(How very traditional.)(The "I'm signing off" message.)
Immortals Inc.
immortals_incorporated@cox.net
"Weasels for Eternity"
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 10:45:22 -0500
From: JJSWBT <jjswbt@cox.net>
Subject: Moving along - actual talk about Highlander
While it's been interesting watching persons who shall remain nameless
defend She-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named against perceived attacks, it's time
to return to the more relevant task of discussing Highlander.
>From the Official Source website:
"The world is falling into chaos. As he roams a crumbling city, Duncan
MacLeod, the Highlander, remembers happier times before the love of his
life left... Hopeless and alone, MacLeod finds his way to a band of
immortal companions, including his mysterious friend Methos, and a
mortal, Watcher Joe Dawson. Together this small group sets out on a
quest to find the origin of the first Immortal and The Source of their
immortality."
>From the unfinished clip shown recently: Joe is wounded and near
death/dead.
Stolen from the Source Forum and SFX magazine:
"The Source reunites the show's central characters in a quest linked to
the origin of Immortals and their immediate future. back together are
Duncan McLeod [Adrian Paul], Methos [Peter Wingfield], and Watcher Joe
Dawson [bluesmeister Jim Byrnes], plus a new list of other Immortal
characters aboard to help and hinder the search for a metaphorical Holy
Grail. European actress, Thekla Reuten plays the role of Anna, Duncan's
vanished lover for whom he is now searching. When both Immortals cross
paths with Methos and a malevolent figure known as the Guardian,
[Christian Solimeno], the stage is set for a fateful confrontation
between friends, comrades, and enemies that may finally and definitively
conclude the maxim, "there can be only one!"
Things gleaned from set reports and such - we have:
Old fishing boats
Cars blowing up
Trucks blowing up
Men, motorbikes and horses running through the forest
Broken down cars and homeless people around a fire
Cemetery
Monks defending a monastery
Many fights
So...have we worked out any kind of actual plot yet?
If this is set only 10 or 15 years after Endgame - what explanation will
be used for the post-apocalyptic state of affairs? I can buy a world
gone to hell, but 10 years seems kind of short. Unless we are post
nuclear war and then we can have mutants. (Sorry.)
Who is this Anna person? "Vanished lover"? Is she someone Duncan knew in
the past (of so, how does he know she "vanished") or is she a lover that
came after Kate (who must be dead/gone )? Are the Watchers collecting
Immortals again? (Hence the "monks" - who might really be
Watchers?)(We've seen that before)
Is Methos going to be good guy or a bad guy in the film? Bad guy who
turns out to be good? Good guy who does bad things and we all forgive
him because, hey, he's Methos? Or will he remain ambiguously
morality-wise?
In all seriousness and with no snarkiness involved, what do we expect to
see in "The Source"? What do we *want* to see? What would we really hate
to see?
Comments? Discussion?
Wendy(The floor is open for discussion)(Talk amongst yourselves.)
Immortals Inc.
immortals_incorporated@cox.net
"Weasels for Eternity"
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 10:46:50 -0500
From: Magneto <magneto@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: lurker looking for a story
I'm trying to find a fanfic I saw years ago, unfortunately I can't remember
the title or the author :p
It was a crossover between Highlander and some other TV show--I think
Forever Knight--that had to do wtih vampires. Some vampire crossed paths
with Ritche and tried to 'turn' him, not realizing he was already Immortal.
The resulting conflict between the Immortal and vampire natures drove
Ritchie
temporarily nuts and had members of both groups (immortals and vamps) trying
to track him down... does anyone remember a story like this?
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 10:52:54 EST
From: Billie Lee Williams <McCelt2003@aol.com>
Subject: Re: lurker looking for a story
In a message dated 3/15/2006 7:47:30 AM Pacific Standard Time,
magneto@worldnet.att.net writes:
<<I'm trying to find a fanfic I saw years ago, unfortunately I can't remember
the title or the author :p
It was a crossover between Highlander and some other TV show--I think
Forever Knight--that had to do wtih vampires. Some vampire crossed paths
with Ritche and tried to 'turn' him, not realizing he was already Immortal.>>
If you like, I could cut and paste this post to the Forever Knight List, and
quite possibly find you the story there? If it is an FH/HL Crossover, very
likely the author is on all the FK lists, or, someone who knows what it is, is
there. Don't want to do so without your "OK," though......
Forever Yours,
Billie-Lee (also almost always a lurker)
Billie-Lee Williams, RN, Ph.D.
"Oh, Divine Master grant that I may never seek, not so much to be consoled as
to console, not so much to be understood as to understand, to be loved as to
love with all my heart. Amen." Saint Francis; "Jesus take the wheel, take it
from my hands, 'cause I can't do this all on my own" (Carrie Underwood)
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:04:16 -0500
From: Magneto <magneto@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: lurker looking for a story
In a message dated 3/15/2006 7:47:30 AM Pacific Standard Time,
magneto@worldnet.att.net writes:
<<I'm trying to find a fanfic I saw years ago, unfortunately I can't
remember
the title or the author :p
If you like, I could cut and paste this post to the Forever Knight List, and
quite possibly find you the story there? If it is an FH/HL Crossover, very
likely the author is on all the FK lists, or, someone who knows what it is,
is
there. Don't want to do so without your "OK," though......
sure. Though I'd have done that myself if I'd been more certain it was FK.
(that's
just the only TV show I can think of that had to do with vampires, aside
from
Dark Shadows and I *know* it wasn't *that* heh) but go right ahead :)
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 18:13:35 +0200
From: TMar <tmar@polka.co.za>
Subject: Re: Source SPOILERS--possibly
>In the spirit of cooperation so famous in HL fandom, try this:
> [unsub instructions]
You beat me to it. I was going to post how to unsub. I've unsubbed
and resubbed about six times over the years due to different email
addresses, etc. Not that I want to get rid of Carmel - I just wonder
if everyone saved their list instructions as obsessively as I did!
- Marina. (Who didn't save the instructions for ClarkLexFic and
hasn't had any good Kryptonian/Human slash for months...)
\\ "I'm like every other kid in America. We all ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
// wanna be astronauts... 'to boldly go where || R I C H I E >> \\
\\ no man has gone before'." - Matt Sikes to ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
// Cathy Frankel; Green Eyes (Alien Nation) ||````````````````\\
\\===============tmar@polka.co.za===============||,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,//
//=============Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie============\\
"Nothing in the world is the way it ought to be. It's harsh and
it's cruel, but that's why there's us ... We live as though the
world were how it should be, to show it what it can be." - Angel
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:52:09 EST
From: Billie Lee Williams <McCelt2003@aol.com>
Subject: Re: lurker looking for a story
In a message dated 3/15/2006 8:10:07 AM Pacific Standard Time,
magneto@worldnet.att.net writes:
sure. Though I'd have done that myself if I'd been more certain it was FK.
(that's just the only TV show I can think of that had to do with vampires,
aside
from Dark Shadows and I *know* it wasn't *that* heh) but go right ahead :)
Okie, Dokie, will do :-D
Forever Yours, Billie-Lee (no, probably not Dark Shadows <vbg>
Billie-Lee Williams, RN, Ph.D.
"Oh, Divine Master grant that I may never seek, not so much to be consoled as
to console, not so much to be understood as to understand, to be loved as to
love with all my heart. Amen." Saint Francis; "Jesus take the wheel, take it
from my hands, 'cause I can't do this all on my own" (Carrie Underwood)
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 12:02:24 -0500
From: kageorge <kageorge1@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Moving along - actual talk about Highlander
JJSWBT wrote:
>
>In all seriousness and with no snarkiness involved
>
There's a first.
>, what do we expect to
>see in "The Source"? What do we *want* to see? What would we really hate
>to see?
>
>
I expect to see a lot of action stuff designed to appeal to the
14-year-old-male demographic, but with Abramowitz and Paul having at
least *some* influence on the plot line, I would *hope* that it will be
character-centered, not action-centered. The best of Highlander has
been when it deals with difficult moral issues, using Duncan MacLeod's
character to explore how positivist notions of right and wrong can, in
fact, be not just irrelevant, but can blind us to more thoughtful,
considered actions and conclusions. Duncan has changed dramatically
over the course of the seasons, and I would hope to see that evolution
continue in some interesting way.
I would hope they would keep Methos' character morally ambiguous,
because that is what he *is* and to change him at this point and make
him into some kind of do-gooder hero would irk me no end. I think at
the end we should still wonder whether his actions were governed by
self-interest or the good of others.
As for Joe, I like the character, I like the actor, but he is, after
all, a mortal living at the fringes of the violence and chaos of
Duncan's world - an aging, frail 'everyman' who tries to do the right
thing (just as Duncan usually tries to do the right thing), but he
frequently f**ks it up, just as Duncan does. But he doesn't have
forever to figure it out, and if he dies, it will sadden me, but not be
any kind of surprise. It would be a good dramatic device (after all,
the whole point is to make Duncan *suffer!* isn't it?).
It would be nice to have some kind of sense made of the whole "where do
immies come from" (although my current story is intended to answer that
question before the movie comes out to squash that logic flat), and have
some of the canon questions answered, but I'm leery of too much
revelation. Much of what makes HL fun to talk about is in the nooks and
crannies of the unknown - What is Holy Ground? Where to Immies come
from? etc.
MacG
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 10:07:05 -1000
From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: HLWW, Carmel and Cons...
John embarrasses himself further--
> If someone infers that someone makes money from a project
IMPLIES, not infers. (Here's how it works. Someone {actively} implies
something, & then some twit comes along & pretends to infer
{passively}something else to his own ends.) You really need an editor.
>when it's been said countless times before and is widely known that they
>don't
"Countless times"? Sounds like Carmel's financial arrangements w/ the HL
franchise have been the subject of significant & ongoing investigation
someplace, in addition to the recent passing comment here. Hmmm. Where
there's smoke there's fire....
Also, there's payment, & then there's payment. It's quite possible Carmel
gets everything she wants from DPP simply from perpetually basking in the
fandom spotlight. Takes all kinds.
> As for the rest. No witty comebacks Nina, I'm too tired. Sod off.
Well, you were right about the non-witty thing. But, I told you--take a
nap.
Nina (I'm waiting for someone to credit Carmel's con efforts & tireless
fandom rah-rahing w/ keeping the franchise alive & so being responsible for
The Source being made) (of course, "crediting" Carmel for The Source could
well turn out to be a truly vicious attribution, should the film suck)
(besides, DPP keep saying they really, really, really want to attract _new_
fans, which is rather a slap at the existing fan community & at Carmel's
efforts) (but I bet all the cons & fannish stuff ARE responsible for most of
the HL Store sales) (which makes the odd con appearance worthwhile for TPTB)
(& sort of makes Carmel responsible for HL Store & its chronic outrageous
frauds on customers)
mac.westie@verizon.net
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 15:41:32 -0500
From: kageorge <kageorge1@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: HLWW, Carmel and Cons...
MacWestie wrote:
> John embarrasses himself further--
>
>> If someone infers that someone makes money from a project
>
>
> IMPLIES, not infers. (Here's how it works. Someone {actively}
> implies something, & then some twit comes along & pretends to infer
> {passively}something else to his own ends.) You really need an editor.
No one cares whether you 'implied' or 'inferred' or shouted it from the
rooftops, and John's response was totally reasonable given the
provocation. All this tit-for-tat crap where you have to take every
word and re-phrase it and somehow attempt to deflect the conversation
from the simple fact that you intended insult and achieved it is boring
and predictable. His point was made. Your point (your evident disdain
for anyone who actually enjoys the HL fandom and works to keep it going)
was made long, long, long, long ago.
Give it a rest.
MacG
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 10:42:35 -1000
From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Moving along - actual talk about Highlander
Wendy--
> From the Official Source website:
> "The world is falling into chaos. As he roams a crumbling city, Duncan
> MacLeod, the Highlander, remembers happier times before the love of his
> life left...
"The love of his life"? Surely not Kate/Faith??? Because that's absurd.
And, is "left" a euphemism for "had her head lopped off"?
Also, does the above hint they'll be re-using HLTS stock footage for the
film? How else can we see DM remembering that sort of thing? Will we get
montages of DM's long & varied but doomed love life? Debra, Little Deer,
Carmen, Nora, Linda, Louise, Sarah, Diane, Tessa, Amanda, that Spanish
girlie who came out of nowhere in season 5 so we could see AP dance the
flamenco? I hated the way they pillaged the HLTS film vault for Raven, but
maybe it would be better than anything they can accomplish at this point.
(And serve to beef the film up to 92 or 93 minutes.)
Or, is "the love of his life" supposed to be Anna? Sigh. Another long-lost
love, like Endgame's Kate/Faith, who never came up in 6 years of the series,
I guess. Maybe DM married her, too, hundreds of years ago.... Instead of
skewering her (in the bad way) on their marriage bed, maybe on their
honeymoon DM just went out for clove oil & never came back.
Nina (the apparent plan to film a new ending IF the money & scheduling come
together is ominous) (it must totally suck as is) (also particularly
worrisome is the no-buzz/speedy villain thing) (also--the funny-colored
baddie) (if they want to make HL a cartoon, then do that, but making HL
cartoonish is sad)
mac.westie@verizon.net
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 20:58:51 -0000
From: Jette Goldie <jette@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: HLWW, Carmel and Cons...
From: "kageorge" <kageorge1@VERIZON.NET>
> MacWestie wrote:
>
>> John embarrasses himself further--
>>
>>> If someone infers that someone makes money from a project
>>
>>
>> IMPLIES, not infers. (Here's how it works. Someone {actively}
>> implies something, & then some twit comes along & pretends to infer
>> {passively}something else to his own ends.) You really need an editor.
>
> No one cares whether you 'implied' or 'inferred' or shouted it from the
> rooftops, and John's response was totally reasonable given the
> provocation. All this tit-for-tat crap where you have to take every
> word and re-phrase it and somehow attempt to deflect the conversation
> from the simple fact that you intended insult and achieved it is boring
> and predictable. His point was made. Your point (your evident disdain
> for anyone who actually enjoys the HL fandom and works to keep it going)
> was made long, long, long, long ago.
>
> Give it a rest.
There's a reason Nina's posts hit the bottom of my trash bucket
before I ever read them. Apparently the word "constructive" isn't
in her vocabulary.
Jette Goldie
jette@blueyonder.co.uk
http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
("reply to" is spamblocked)
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:06:32 -0800
From: M M <muzicmakr@yahoo.com>
Subject: To spoil or not to spoil
Hello,
Lurker with a dilemma..
I can't decide how much I want to know about the new
movie. I quickly skimmed the main thread over on
highlander-community.com with one eye closed, (not
that that really helps), and I feel like I learned a
little too much.
I do like to hear a bit about the filming, and I'm
very interested to hear the principals' early
impressions, (to get excited or steel myself, not
sure), but I'm wary about ruining the experience.
When Endgame came out, I'd pretty much forgotten about
Highlander, so all I knew was that Christopher Lambert
was in it and Gillian Horvath was one of the writers.
I'm not sure whether knowing more would have changed
the movie for me (for better or worse).
Anyone else thinking along these lines? If there
aren't any other conventions between now and the
release, (?), maybe it's a moot point, but I imagine
people will find things out anyway and then post them.
I do realize that the most important factor will be
the ultimate quality of the film; if it's awesome,
I'll love it, and if it's terrible, I won't, but if
it's somewhere in between, (my bet), spoilers could
matter. Or not?
Michelle
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 17:22:55 -0500
From: Wendy <Immortals_Incorporated@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Moving along - actual talk about Highlander
MacGeorge takes up my challenge to discus HL:
I asked:
> >, what do we expect to
> >see in "The Source"? What do we *want* to see? What would we really
> >hate to see?
MacG:
> I expect to see a lot of action stuff designed to appeal to
> the 14-year-old-male demographic, but with Abramowitz and
> Paul having at least *some* influence on the plot line, I
> would *hope* that it will be character-centered, not
> action-centered.
That would be my hope as well. If the movie is 2 hours long (I hope it's
not another 87 minute short), then I would like 100 minutes of drama and
only 20 minutes of action. All the talk from the set of explosions and
fights and falls and such worries me. I can only hope that the those
elements took precedence in the reports because they are the most fun to
talk about and can be discussed without spoiling too much of the plot.
> As for Joe, I like the character, I like the actor, but he
> is, after all, a mortal living at the fringes of the violence
> and chaos of Duncan's world - an aging, frail 'everyman' who
> tries to do the right thing
I hope that if he dies, his death makes sense. I don't want to see him
leap into a big fight scene and take a bullet meant for Duncan. Or, in
truth, do anything too heroic. I can see him held as bait, or just in
the wrong place at the wrong time, or even gunned down by accident, but
he's an aging man with two artificial legs - he would never be in the
middle of one of these great violent set-pieces.
> It would be nice to have some kind of sense made of the whole
> "where do immies come from"
This is my greatest fear (other than that very bad wigs will be used)
that TPTB will come up with some lame answer to the questions of "why"
and "where". I have tried to think of all the alternatives and none
really makes me happy. It's possible that not knowing is better in this
case. I really really don't want to find out that it is all "God's
Plan". I'd take aliens over God as a reason for why Immortals exist.
>(although my current story is
> intended to answer that question before the movie comes out
> to squash that logic flat),
If you get your story out before the movie, and you guess correctly at
the answer, you can appear prophetic! (It's not aliens, right?)(Or a
race that existed before the rise of humans?)(Angels?)(Well-disguised
intelligent dolphins?) I'd even accept the old trick of having the
secret be almost in hand and then have it slip away because the hero has
to save his girl or his friend or his horse instead.
> Much of what makes HL fun to talk about is in the nooks and
> crannies of the unknown - What is Holy Ground? Where to
> Immies come from? etc.
I wonder if this movie was actually written as a trilogy or if it is
just open-ended enough (i.e. not everyone dies) that TPTB can make more
movies if they get more money?
Mostly what I want to see in "The Source" is a coherent *story*. I want
to see on-screen a thoughtfully planned plot. While almost all movies
have plot holes in them, I would prefer not to be able to spot them a
mile away. I want the story to flow- not jump around as if the editor
finally gave up and just spliced random bits together. I want the
characters that we know to act in a manner consistent with what we have
seen before. I want the new characters to have depth - no clichéd
scenery chewing villains and no dewy-eyed fragile females hiding behind
tough girl exteriors. I don't want to see wire-work to the exclusion of
dialog. I don't want things to blow up just to cover the fact that the
writers didn't know what to do next. With a million dollars or less per
episode, HL:TS did some exceptional story-telling. With 14 million
dollars, I want to see that same skill with better wigs<g>
Wendy (If necessary, fights should be cut to make room for more nekkid
sweaty katas)
Immortals Inc.
immortals_incorporated@cox.net
"Weasels for Eternity"
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