HIGHLA-L Digest - 8 Feb 2006 to 9 Feb 2006 (#2006-36)

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      Topics of the day:
      
        1. Tolerance. (7)
      
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      Date:    Thu, 9 Feb 2006 05:45:01 EST
      From:    Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@aol.com>
      Subject: Re: Tolerance.
      
      In a message dated 2/9/2006 2:40:02 AM Central Standard Time, 
      nora.jones@verizon.net writes:
      <<
      (OBHLR: How was Duncan schooled in morals and ethics?)(How about Methos?)
      >>
      
      This reminds me of one of my favorite episodes:  Chivalry.  How Duncan
      could not kill Kristin, even though she killed Louise and tried to kill Maria.
      Even when Duncan realized that Kristin was a monster, he could not 
      kill her.  But Methos (a man "born long before the age of Chivalry") could.
      He, ever the pragmatist, realized that she was dangerous and had to be
      killed.
      
      Also, Duncan had it drilled into him to be the head of his clan (see Sean
      Burns' conversation in "Deliverance"); he was taught to protect those 
      weaker than he.
      
      Evelyn Duncan
      brandykitt@aol.com
      Oh, crumbs!
      -- Penfold
      
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      Date:    Thu, 9 Feb 2006 10:56:11 -0000
      From:    Jette Goldie <jette@blueyonder.co.uk>
      Subject: Re: Tolerance.
      
      From: "Evelyn Duncan" <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM>
      > 
      > Also, Duncan had it drilled into him to be the head of his clan (see Sean
      > Burns' conversation in "Deliverance"); he was taught to protect those 
      > weaker than he.
      
      
      If Duncan  really *had* been drilled and trained to be the leader
      and protector of his clan, he'd have learned that sometimes it
      is necessary to do things you don't like personally in order to
      protect the rest of the clan.
      
      In other words, execute dangerous loonies like Kristin in 
      order to protect other women like Louise and Maria.
      
      jette@blueyonder.co.uk  ("reply to" is spamblocked)
      http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/kitties.html
      
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      Date:    Thu, 9 Feb 2006 09:55:45 EST
      From:    Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@aol.com>
      Subject: Re: Tolerance.
      
      In a message dated 2/9/2006 8:46:50 AM Central Standard Time, 
      jette@BLUEYONDER.CO.UK writes:
      <<
      In other words, execute dangerous loonies like Kristin in 
      order to protect other women like Louise and Maria.
      >>
      
      If Kristin had been a man, Duncan would have killed him;
      he said so himself.  It was Kristin's being a woman that
      saved her.
      
      Evelyn Duncan
      brandykitt@aol.com
      Oh, crumbs!
      -- Penfold
      
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      Date:    Thu, 9 Feb 2006 15:15:39 -0000
      From:    Jette Goldie <jette@blueyonder.co.uk>
      Subject: Re: Tolerance.
      
      From: "Evelyn Duncan" <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM>
      > jette@BLUEYONDER.CO.UK writes:
      > <<
      > In other words, execute dangerous loonies like Kristin in 
      > order to protect other women like Louise and Maria.
      >>>
      > 
      > If Kristin had been a man, Duncan would have killed him;
      > he said so himself.  It was Kristin's being a woman that
      > saved her.
      
      A true clan leader has to be above that.  An enemy is an
      enemy, no matter their gender.  If Duncan can't admit
      this to himself, he's useless as a clan leader.
      
      
      jette@blueyonder.co.uk  ("reply to" is spamblocked)
      http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/kitties.html
      
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      Date:    Thu, 9 Feb 2006 10:25:58 -0500
      From:    kageorge <kageorge1@verizon.net>
      Subject: Re: Tolerance.
      
      Evelyn Duncan wrote:
      
      >In a message dated 2/9/2006 8:46:50 AM Central Standard Time, 
      >jette@BLUEYONDER.CO.UK writes:
      ><<
      >In other words, execute dangerous loonies like Kristin in 
      >order to protect other women like Louise and Maria.
      >  
      >
      >
      >If Kristin had been a man, Duncan would have killed him;
      >he said so himself.
      >
      Really?  I don't recall this.  Kristen was his teacher and lover, and 
      *that* had more to do with it than anything.  He had accepted her 
      'gifts', and made love to her, even after he realized that she loved him 
      far more than he cared for her.  He used her as much as she used him, 
      and it was guilt, more than anything that pushed him to feel he had no 
      right to take her head.  It wasn't about chivalry, as he kept saying all 
      along.
      
      MacG
      
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      Date:    Thu, 9 Feb 2006 10:38:30 EST
      From:    Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@aol.com>
      Subject: Re: Tolerance.
      
      In a message dated 2/9/2006 9:30:11 AM Central Standard Time, 
      kageorge1@verizon.net writes:
      <<
      Really?  I don't recall this. 
      >>
      
      He told her (I think it was at her limo) that if she had been a
      man, he would have killed her 350 years ago.
      
      Evelyn Duncan
      brandykitt@aol.com
      Oh, crumbs!
      -- Penfold
      
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      Date:    Thu, 9 Feb 2006 19:02:23 +0000
      From:    tarsh <tarsh@eircom.net>
      Subject: Re: Tolerance.
      
      >Evelyn Duncan wrote:
      >>If Kristin had been a man, Duncan would have killed him;
      >>he said so himself.
      
      
      <MacG responded>
      Really?  I don't recall this.  Kristen was his teacher and lover, and 
      *that* had more to do with it than anything.  He had accepted her 
      'gifts', and made love to her, even after he realized that she loved 
      him far more than he cared for her.  He used her as much as she used 
      him, and it was guilt, more than anything that pushed him to feel he 
      had no right to take her head.  It wasn't about chivalry, as he kept 
      saying all along.
      
      
      <tarsh>
      That was Methos to MacLeod, IIRC, telling Duncan something along the 
      lines of if she'd been a man, she'd have lost her head 350 years ago, 
      after she killed Louise Barton(?). I don't recall Duncan himself 
      either confirming or denying that statement. But I would agree; 
      Duncan not killing Kristin wasn't about chivalry at all, really. Just 
      as Methos killing her wasn't about the lack of it.
      
      What I've never understood is why Duncan killed Ingrid (the one 
      bombing neo-Nazi meetings in reparation for failing to kill Hitler 
      way back when). He didn't kill Kristin, he didn't kill Annie 
      Devlin... he killed Ingrid. Why was she different? They were all old 
      lovers, they were all killing people in greater or lesser numbers for 
      reasons of their own... he only kills one of them. There's no 
      consistency I can see.
      
      --tarsh
      (suffering a temporary loss of lurker's cloak)
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