HIGHLA-L Digest - 8 Feb 2006 to 9 Feb 2006 (#2006-36)
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Topics of the day:
1. Tolerance. (7)
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Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 05:45:01 EST
From: Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Tolerance.
In a message dated 2/9/2006 2:40:02 AM Central Standard Time,
nora.jones@verizon.net writes:
<<
(OBHLR: How was Duncan schooled in morals and ethics?)(How about Methos?)
>>
This reminds me of one of my favorite episodes: Chivalry. How Duncan
could not kill Kristin, even though she killed Louise and tried to kill Maria.
Even when Duncan realized that Kristin was a monster, he could not
kill her. But Methos (a man "born long before the age of Chivalry") could.
He, ever the pragmatist, realized that she was dangerous and had to be
killed.
Also, Duncan had it drilled into him to be the head of his clan (see Sean
Burns' conversation in "Deliverance"); he was taught to protect those
weaker than he.
Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
Oh, crumbs!
-- Penfold
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Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 10:56:11 -0000
From: Jette Goldie <jette@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Tolerance.
From: "Evelyn Duncan" <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM>
>
> Also, Duncan had it drilled into him to be the head of his clan (see Sean
> Burns' conversation in "Deliverance"); he was taught to protect those
> weaker than he.
If Duncan really *had* been drilled and trained to be the leader
and protector of his clan, he'd have learned that sometimes it
is necessary to do things you don't like personally in order to
protect the rest of the clan.
In other words, execute dangerous loonies like Kristin in
order to protect other women like Louise and Maria.
jette@blueyonder.co.uk ("reply to" is spamblocked)
http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/kitties.html
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Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 09:55:45 EST
From: Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Tolerance.
In a message dated 2/9/2006 8:46:50 AM Central Standard Time,
jette@BLUEYONDER.CO.UK writes:
<<
In other words, execute dangerous loonies like Kristin in
order to protect other women like Louise and Maria.
>>
If Kristin had been a man, Duncan would have killed him;
he said so himself. It was Kristin's being a woman that
saved her.
Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
Oh, crumbs!
-- Penfold
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Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 15:15:39 -0000
From: Jette Goldie <jette@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Tolerance.
From: "Evelyn Duncan" <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM>
> jette@BLUEYONDER.CO.UK writes:
> <<
> In other words, execute dangerous loonies like Kristin in
> order to protect other women like Louise and Maria.
>>>
>
> If Kristin had been a man, Duncan would have killed him;
> he said so himself. It was Kristin's being a woman that
> saved her.
A true clan leader has to be above that. An enemy is an
enemy, no matter their gender. If Duncan can't admit
this to himself, he's useless as a clan leader.
jette@blueyonder.co.uk ("reply to" is spamblocked)
http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/kitties.html
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Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 10:25:58 -0500
From: kageorge <kageorge1@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Tolerance.
Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>In a message dated 2/9/2006 8:46:50 AM Central Standard Time,
>jette@BLUEYONDER.CO.UK writes:
><<
>In other words, execute dangerous loonies like Kristin in
>order to protect other women like Louise and Maria.
>
>
>
>If Kristin had been a man, Duncan would have killed him;
>he said so himself.
>
Really? I don't recall this. Kristen was his teacher and lover, and
*that* had more to do with it than anything. He had accepted her
'gifts', and made love to her, even after he realized that she loved him
far more than he cared for her. He used her as much as she used him,
and it was guilt, more than anything that pushed him to feel he had no
right to take her head. It wasn't about chivalry, as he kept saying all
along.
MacG
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Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 10:38:30 EST
From: Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Tolerance.
In a message dated 2/9/2006 9:30:11 AM Central Standard Time,
kageorge1@verizon.net writes:
<<
Really? I don't recall this.
>>
He told her (I think it was at her limo) that if she had been a
man, he would have killed her 350 years ago.
Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
Oh, crumbs!
-- Penfold
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Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 19:02:23 +0000
From: tarsh <tarsh@eircom.net>
Subject: Re: Tolerance.
>Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>>If Kristin had been a man, Duncan would have killed him;
>>he said so himself.
<MacG responded>
Really? I don't recall this. Kristen was his teacher and lover, and
*that* had more to do with it than anything. He had accepted her
'gifts', and made love to her, even after he realized that she loved
him far more than he cared for her. He used her as much as she used
him, and it was guilt, more than anything that pushed him to feel he
had no right to take her head. It wasn't about chivalry, as he kept
saying all along.
<tarsh>
That was Methos to MacLeod, IIRC, telling Duncan something along the
lines of if she'd been a man, she'd have lost her head 350 years ago,
after she killed Louise Barton(?). I don't recall Duncan himself
either confirming or denying that statement. But I would agree;
Duncan not killing Kristin wasn't about chivalry at all, really. Just
as Methos killing her wasn't about the lack of it.
What I've never understood is why Duncan killed Ingrid (the one
bombing neo-Nazi meetings in reparation for failing to kill Hitler
way back when). He didn't kill Kristin, he didn't kill Annie
Devlin... he killed Ingrid. Why was she different? They were all old
lovers, they were all killing people in greater or lesser numbers for
reasons of their own... he only kills one of them. There's no
consistency I can see.
--tarsh
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