HIGHLA-L Digest - 30 Jan 2006 to 31 Jan 2006 (#2006-25)
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There are 10 messages totalling 360 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. "Book of Daniel" DEBBIE!!!!!!!!!! Anthony De Longis, anyone? Anyone?
Doug...
2. The Source (was: "Book of Daniel"...)
3. DEBBIE!! Wendy suggestion for viewing The Source DEBBIE!!
4. Debbie? Christianity is under fire! Debbie! (5)
5. Debbie? Debbie? "Book of Daniel" DEBBIE!!!!!!!!!! (2)
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:51:26 -0500
From: senseirob@aol.com
Subject: Re: "Book of Daniel" DEBBIE!!!!!!!!!! Anthony De Longis, anyone? Anyone? Doug...
molli:
>*squeaks excitedly* ROB! Niki was just asking me the other day where you were. Do you still have the sumo wrestler she made you?
Heyhey! I remember the sumo fondly! He used to hang from my rearview mirror and was an awesome indicator of the steepness of hills and the sharpness of curves. Swing! :) Unfortunately, I had a truly impressive car accident (dang, was it really 9 years ago?), flipped, slid upside down for an eternity, and luckily crawled away from the wreckage with just a scratch or two. While scavenging for my belongings in the swath of destruction left behind me, I realized I lost the sumo - along with the windshield, rear view mirror and much of the roof. It must still be somewhere on a barren piece of desert alongside the interstate between LA and Las Vegas. Poor sumo.
But things are going great for me! For the Highlander franchise, not so much. But I owe HL (and the List) bigtime for the friends, family, relationships that came from it.
::settles back in his rocker and listens intently to the creaks::
::adjusts it so it squeaks out what sounds suspiciously like "Deeeb - biiiiiiie" to taunt Wendy::
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 23:06:24 -0500
From: Heidi <heidi@bronze.lcs.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: The Source (was: "Book of Daniel"...)
From: Wendy <Immortals_Incorporated@COX.NET>
Talked to anyone in the know? Is it set in the future [..] I think
it's time for some baseless speculation.
That suddenly brought to mind the footage from the Endgame trailer
that was never meant to be in the movie. Especially the picture of
I think it was Duncan and Connor jumping thru the Stargate-like
object. I can almost picture them trying to reuse that footage to
save money on the movie given some of the reports so far.
=}{=
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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 06:40:57 -0500
From: Katie King <katking@UMD.EDU>
Subject: DEBBIE!! Wendy suggestion for viewing The Source DEBBIE!!
Been lurking and when I try to figure out how to respond using this interface, I accidently reset my
cookie and have to log back in.
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:33:18 -0500, Wendy <Immortals_Incorporated@cox.net> wrote:
>If you can stand to see the movie twice, I'd suggest going alone the
>first time so that (1) you don't have to listen to Steve snark and (2)
>no one will see you cry of the movie sucks. Then go a second time with
>the express purpose of snarking. Have a few drinks first.
>
>> So question for all: when the movie comes out, will you go?
>> And will you be "in disguiiiiise?"
>
>Of course I'll go. Disguise? I don't think so. I'll just go during the
>day when no one I know will be about.
You can't believe how long it took me to figure out how to quote this bit! The brain is losing it.
Yes, this is my strategy as well: go in the day when I'm the only one in the theater, so definately by
myself! Laugh, cry, snark, moan, be intense, be outraged, be awestruck, be whatever in the dark
and see whether this one is worth coming to see again with anyone else.
I want it to be good! I want it to be like a good TV ep, actually I want it to be BETTER!
I want to respect AP and PW and JD and others.
And I want to know if Debbie is okay, and how it all looks to her too.
I think G2 was my first HL group experience.....
Katie King -- still writing about Highlander (and Xena)
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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:22:09 -0500
From: Wendy <Immortals_Incorporated@cox.net>
Subject: Debbie? Christianity is under fire! Debbie!
I should just let this go, but what the heck <eg>
Rottie says:
> But perhaps my *own* point is best made by a rather crude
> Brit writer. :)
>
> Now it turns out that the biggest dummies in the place are
> running the joint.
> Madame Tussauds' contribution to the festive spirit is a
> nativity scene, featuring David Beckham as Joseph and Posh
> Spice as the Virgin Mary...
>
> You don't have to be a Bible-bashing religious maniac to
> find this pathetic little tableau incredibly offensive.
>
> But how about a little respect? How about treating
> Christianity with the respect we show to every other
> religion?
A) Unless I actually *saw* the wax figures, I couldn't say if they were
offensive or not. Was Beckham in a football jersey or dressed in
"authentic" clothes? Was Posh Spice (doesn't she have a real name?)
dressed in modern garb or the traditional Madonna robe of blue? (Who
decided Mary wore blue?) Do we know what the real Joseph and Mary looked
like? Do we know they *didn't* look like Beckham and his wife? (OK, the
odds that Joseph and Mary were blonde and blue-eyed are pretty small but
no one seems to bitch about *that* anymore.) All representations of
these figures is based on varying cultural interpretations.
B) It was more offensive that George Bush was portrayed as one of the
Wise Men.
C) In Britain, as in the USA, Christianity is the majority religion. In
huge swaths of America today it is still assumed that one is a Christian
and surprise (and often unease) is expressed when it is discovered that
one is of some other faith. Many people (too many) take it for granted
that anyone they meet holds the same, or at least very similar,
religious views. When one is in the majority (be it racial, religious,
ethnic, etc) one is suppose to be able to handle a bit of ribbing from
those in the minority. After all, you hold all the power - you should be
able to take a bit of criticism or even some bashing. The reason why
steps are taken to protect the "other guy" is that it's the other guy
who *needs* the protection.
Despite the wailing and hand-wringing and claims of being under attack,
Christians are the overwhelming majority religion in America. Our laws
(too often for my taste) reflect the dogma of Christianity. Our
legislatures and courts open each session with a prayer to the Christian
god. Our elected officials are overwhelmingly Christian and those who
aren't learn to keep their heads bowed at the right moments. If
Christians in America (or Britain) feel threatened it says much much
more about their own paranoia and xenophobia than it does about reality.
I realize that the concept of having to share your country with people
who don't pray in the same way you do (or maybe don't pray at all)
frightens people. In many parts of the world, at many times over the
centuries, it has frightened people enough that the only solution was to
kill all the unbelievers and the heretics and the guy down the street
who made the joke about the Cardinal's funny hat. No one likes to see
his religion laughed at. But if you belong to the biggest strongest
religion around, you have to be big and strong enough to shake it off.
Or you can start beating your plowshares into iron maidens and thumb
screws. . .because that's where all this preaching about
"anti-Christian" sentiment is heading. In the name of "quit picking on
us poor widdle Christians" the next inquisition will be born.
Wendy(God help us all when the flaming sword of modern American
Christianity decides to stamp out the unbelievers in their midst.)(Oh
wait, we already have that.)(Debbie?)
Immortals Inc.
immortals_incorporated@cox.net
"Weasels for Eternity"
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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:41:24 -0000
From: Jette Goldie <jette@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Debbie? Christianity is under fire! Debbie!
From: "Wendy" <Immortals_Incorporated@COX.NET>
> Was Posh Spice (doesn't she have a real name?)
>
Victoria. Can't remember her maiden name, but married name is
Beckham. (duh!)
Jette Goldie
jette@blueyonder.co.uk
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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:42:59 +0200
From: TMar <tmar@polka.co.za>
Subject: Re: Debbie? Christianity is under fire! Debbie!
I'm not going to quote what Wendy said; all her points are good.
On a forum I'm on (I think; it was a while back), someone said that as
soon as
someone of another religion mentions something negative that happened to
them
because of their religion, all the Christians immediately jump in with
how they
have it much worse.
Which I don't think is the case. A person does feel somewhat put upon by
silly
laws that say you can't wish people Merry Christmas if you work for [some
American store], but I'll wish people Merry Christmas if I want to. Also, I
had Moslem parents wish me Merry Christmas and I'm sure I accidentally
wished some Moslems or Hindus Merry Christmas and they didn't take
offense; nor did the world end.
Christianity has lasted for 2000 years; I doubt some TV program (who was in
it that we're discussing it in the first place?) is going to bring down
Christianity/
civilization as we know it.
Or as Duncan said in (was it Timeless?), "Get a life."
- Marina.
\\"A poop question, Sir?! They're gonna||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
// think I'm the sanitation engineer!" || R I C H I E >> \\
\\ - Trip Tucker; Enterprise ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
//===========tmar@polka.co.za==========|| \\
\\========Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie========//
"People think I'm polite when really I'm comparing them to gorillas
in my head." - Ginger
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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 22:24:33 +0200
From: TMar <tmar@polka.co.za>
Subject: Re: Debbie? Christianity is under fire! Debbie!
>Victoria. Can't remember her maiden name, but married name is
Beckham. (duh!)
More to the point... who cares?!
- Marina.
\\"A poop question, Sir?! They're gonna||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
// think I'm the sanitation engineer!" || R I C H I E >> \\
\\ - Trip Tucker; Enterprise ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
//===========tmar@polka.co.za==========|| \\
\\========Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie========//
"People think I'm polite when really I'm comparing them to gorillas
in my head." - Ginger
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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:31:05 -0000
From: Jette Goldie <jette@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Debbie? Christianity is under fire! Debbie!
From: "TMar" <tmar@POLKA.CO.ZA>
> >Victoria. Can't remember her maiden name, but married name is
> Beckham. (duh!)
>
> More to the point... who cares?!
David? <g>
jette@blueyonder.co.uk ("reply to" is spamblocked)
http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/kitties.html
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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:39:29 -1000
From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Debbie? Debbie? "Book of Daniel" DEBBIE!!!!!!!!!!
Rottie--
>But perhaps my *own* point is best made by a rather crude Brit writer.
That's a vicious & blatant attack on all Brits, all writers, & all crude
people. So, you're probably going straight to hell. Pack accordingly.
Also, why not make _your_ point (such as it is) _yourself_?
>>>why is Christianity the
only religion that it is OK to openly mock?>>>
Because Christians are the majority here in the US. The VAST majority.
They run the show, they control the purse-strings, they write & enforce the
laws, etc. Congratulations! Now, should Christianity ever become a
minority religion here, you better pray for religious tolerance. In the
meantime--quit your whining.
Rottie, I really would like to hear exactly what made you see Book of
Daniel's Jesus as a wimp (as you have repeatedly stated was so offensive to
you), as opposed to the compassionate & forgiving (if badly wigged) deity I
saw on the screen. Would you have liked the show better if there had been
more smiting?
Nina (Jesus smiting sinners from the passenger seat would have been a cool
stunt for sweeps) (DEBBIE!!!!!!!!!!!!)
mac.westie@verizon.net
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Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 02:42:32 -0000
From: John Mosby - Laptop <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Debbie? Debbie? "Book of Daniel" DEBBIE!!!!!!!!!!
Actually, can I check something. Which crude British writer were you
referring to, Rottie?
Not quite sure I appreciate that description if it happens to be me.
----- Original Message -----
From: "MacWestie" <mac.westie@verizon.net>
To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 2:39 AM
Subject: Re: [HL] Debbie? Debbie? "Book of Daniel" DEBBIE!!!!!!!!!!
> Rottie--
>>But perhaps my *own* point is best made by a rather crude Brit writer.
>
> That's a vicious & blatant attack on all Brits, all writers, & all crude
> people. So, you're probably going straight to hell. Pack accordingly.
>
> Also, why not make _your_ point (such as it is) _yourself_?
>
>
>>>>why is Christianity the
> only religion that it is OK to openly mock?>>>
>
> Because Christians are the majority here in the US. The VAST majority.
> They run the show, they control the purse-strings, they write & enforce
> the laws, etc. Congratulations! Now, should Christianity ever become a
> minority religion here, you better pray for religious tolerance. In the
> meantime--quit your whining.
>
> Rottie, I really would like to hear exactly what made you see Book of
> Daniel's Jesus as a wimp (as you have repeatedly stated was so offensive
> to you), as opposed to the compassionate & forgiving (if badly wigged)
> deity I saw on the screen. Would you have liked the show better if there
> had been more smiting?
>
> Nina (Jesus smiting sinners from the passenger seat would have been a cool
> stunt for sweeps) (DEBBIE!!!!!!!!!!!!)
> mac.westie@verizon.net
>
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