HIGHLA-L Digest - 5 Jan 2004 to 6 Jan 2004 (#2004-6)
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There are 21 messages totalling 720 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Deep Impacting (5)
2. OT: Suggestion (8)
3. Do you want a BIGGER Highlander? (2)
4. Season Two: The Darkness
5. OT: Suggestion - thanks for reposting how to set subject headers
6. Highlander Alumni - where are they now? (4)
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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 20:10:01 -0700
From: Pat Lawson <plawson@webleyweb.com>
Subject: Re: Deep Impacting
John wrote:
>www.webspawner.com/users/snyg/feb%20cover.jpg
>
>Okay. That link to the Impact #146 cover SHOULD work, if not paste into the
>navigator bar.
Thanks John. Looking forward to seeing the magazine.
Got one small nit to pick. With all the good pictures of Duncan
available, why is this one shot so over-used? I'd love to see something
else on a mag. cover for a change.
Pat L.
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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 22:48:15 -0500
From: Dotiran@aol.com
Subject: Re: Deep Impacting
I'll be there for sure.
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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 21:44:26 -0800
From: Jen <data@cyberg8t.com>
Subject: OT: Suggestion
Could a permanent subject like (HIGHLA-L) be added? It would REALLY help
me. Most of the messages for this list get lost in the swamp of spam.
I didn't realize at first that the "Deep Impacting" thread was for this
list. I thought it was another piece of sex spam...because, sorry John, that
is a really sexually ambigious title. *L*
Jen the Fangirl
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 09:37:11 -0000
From: "a.j.mosby" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
Subject: Do you want a BIGGER Highlander?
That's a good idea. I changed the thread title as well so to be less
sexually ambigious!
;)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jen" <data@cyberg8t.com>
To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 5:44 AM
Subject: [HL] OT: Suggestion
> Could a permanent subject like (HIGHLA-L) be added? It would REALLY help
> me. Most of the messages for this list get lost in the swamp of spam.
>
> I didn't realize at first that the "Deep Impacting" thread was for this
> list. I thought it was another piece of sex spam...because, sorry John,
that
> is a really sexually ambigious title. *L*
>
>
> Jen the Fangirl
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 07:15:42 -0500
From: Heidi <heidi@bronze.lcs.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: OT: Suggestion
From: Jen <data@CYBERG8T.COM>
Could a permanent subject like (HIGHLA-L) be added?
If one does get added I'd suggest something shorter like just (HL).
Depending on the type of mail reader you use, (HIGHLA-L) is long
enough that you'd lose half or more of the Subject line to the
prefix. So the subject for this message would (for some of us)
only be "(HIGHLA-L): Re: OT: Sugge".
=}{=
(heidi@bronze.lcs.mit.edu)
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 07:25:05 -0500
From: Peggiegg <pgannon@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: Do you want a BIGGER Highlander?
John, thanks for my first laugh of the day! (Almost deleted you before
"Highlander" caught my eye! LOL)
Peggie
----- Original Message -----
From: "a.j.mosby" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 4:37 AM
Subject: Do you want a BIGGER Highlander?
> That's a good idea. I changed the thread title as well so to be less
> sexually ambigious!
>
> ;)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jen" <data@cyberg8t.com>
> To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 5:44 AM
> Subject: [HL] OT: Suggestion
>
>
> > Could a permanent subject like (HIGHLA-L) be added? It would REALLY
help
> > me. Most of the messages for this list get lost in the swamp of spam.
> >
> > I didn't realize at first that the "Deep Impacting" thread was for this
> > list. I thought it was another piece of sex spam...because, sorry John,
> that
> > is a really sexually ambigious title. *L*
> >
> >
> > Jen the Fangirl
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 07:41:05 EST
From: Bizarro7@aol.com
Subject: Re: Deep Impacting
In a message dated 1/5/2004 10:08:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,
plawson@webleyweb.com writes:
> Got one small nit to pick. With all the good pictures of Duncan
> available, why is this one shot so over-used? I'd love to see something
> else on a mag. cover for a change.
I was thinking the same thing, but I figured they needed something that
represented HL, and didn't have anything from the new show/miniseries yet to put
up, especially that would be recognizable as part of the franchise.
Leah
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 12:50:20 -0000
From: "a.j.mosby" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Deep Impacting
> > Got one small nit to pick. With all the good pictures of Duncan
> > available, why is this one shot so over-used? I'd love to see something
> > else on a mag. cover for a change.
>
> I was thinking the same thing, but I figured they needed something that
> represented HL, and didn't have anything from the new show/miniseries yet
to put
> up, especially that would be recognizable as part of the franchise.
>
> Leah
Leah's basically right. At this point there are no pictures directly
associated with the mini-series and therefore we have to go with a
recognisable HL image. This is also limited by which images are available at
a high enough resolution for a cover. There was the choice of three images
that would fit and really this was the best one. Hopefully in the future we
can also break the first images too! :)
John
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 11:00:11 -0600
From: Ann Ford <aford@austin.rr.com>
Subject: Re: OT: Suggestion
From: Jen <data@CYBERG8T.COM>
> Could a permanent subject like (HIGHLA-L) be added?
I believe this function is already available. The following is copied from
Debbie's HIGHLA-L Bi-Monthly Reminders. It may be old.. and not good any
more.. but it is worth a try.
>>>
If you want a prefix to show up on your subject lines to help identify
which message come from HIGHLA-L then send email to
LISTSERV@LISTS.psu.edu with only the following line in the body of the
message (Subject line is ignored):
SET HIGHLA-L SUBJ
The prefix [HL] will appear at the beginning of each Subject line of
all new messages from HIGHLA-L (The string 'Re:' will appear before
the prefix on replies).
<<<
Ann Ford
aford@austin.rr.com
http://home.austin.rr.com/annford
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 17:03:59 -0000
From: "a.j.mosby" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: OT: Suggestion
Ah. Mine already does that. Tis why I was confuzzled.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann Ford" <aford@austin.rr.com>
To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: [HL] OT: Suggestion
> From: Jen <data@CYBERG8T.COM>
> > Could a permanent subject like (HIGHLA-L) be added?
>
> I believe this function is already available. The following is copied
from
> Debbie's HIGHLA-L Bi-Monthly Reminders. It may be old.. and not good any
> more.. but it is worth a try.
>
> >>>
> If you want a prefix to show up on your subject lines to help identify
> which message come from HIGHLA-L then send email to
> LISTSERV@LISTS.psu.edu with only the following line in the body of the
> message (Subject line is ignored):
>
> SET HIGHLA-L SUBJ
>
> The prefix [HL] will appear at the beginning of each Subject line of
> all new messages from HIGHLA-L (The string 'Re:' will appear before
> the prefix on replies).
> <<<
>
> Ann Ford
> aford@austin.rr.com
> http://home.austin.rr.com/annford
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 09:38:42 -0800
From: Jen <data@cyberg8t.com>
Subject: Re: OT: Suggestion
Yay! Thank you! :)
Jen the Fangirl
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann Ford" <aford@AUSTIN.RR.COM>
To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: OT: Suggestion
> From: Jen <data@CYBERG8T.COM>
> > Could a permanent subject like (HIGHLA-L) be added?
>
> I believe this function is already available. The following is copied
from
> Debbie's HIGHLA-L Bi-Monthly Reminders. It may be old.. and not good any
> more.. but it is worth a try.
>
> >>>
> If you want a prefix to show up on your subject lines to help identify
> which message come from HIGHLA-L then send email to
> LISTSERV@LISTS.psu.edu with only the following line in the body of the
> message (Subject line is ignored):
>
> SET HIGHLA-L SUBJ
>
> The prefix [HL] will appear at the beginning of each Subject line of
> all new messages from HIGHLA-L (The string 'Re:' will appear before
> the prefix on replies).
> <<<
>
> Ann Ford
> aford@austin.rr.com
> http://home.austin.rr.com/annford
>
>
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 11:19:19 -0800
From: FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: OT: Suggestion
Thanks.....that's good to know. I normally don't have
a problem, but it might come in handy if FORKNI-L and
HIGHLA-L are both active at the same time again. I
sometimes am not sure which list a message with an
unclear title is from until I open it.
Mel
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 21:00:22 -0000
From: Jette Goldie <jette@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: OT: Suggestion
> Could a permanent subject like (HIGHLA-L) be added? It would REALLY help
> me. Most of the messages for this list get lost in the swamp of spam.
>
>
Um - I get [HL] on all posts from HIGHLA-L. don't you?
Jette Goldie
jette@blueyonder.co.uk
"If you don't care where you are, then you aren't lost"
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 15:11:40 -0700
From: Firefly <airedale@northerntel.net>
Subject: Re: OT: Suggestion
At 01/06/2004 09:00 PM +0000, Jette Goldie wrote:
>Um - I get [HL] on all posts from HIGHLA-L. don't you?
Not here either, and I didn't know that was one of the available commands
until today. Another option if you have Outlook or Eudora (no personal
experience with any other e-mail programs) is to just make a new mailbox
and have all HIGHLA-L mail filtered there.
Barbara
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 17:42:06 -0500
From: kageorge <kageorge@erols.com>
Subject: Season Two: The Darkness
Sorry for the delays in getting these commentaries on the dvd versions
of the episodes posted. My laptop computer died a horrible death.
COMMENTARY: Both Bill Panzer and David Abramowitz commented on this
episode. BP reported that the actress who played Tessa wanted to return
to Belgium, and therefore leave the show. DA said he "felt like a jilted
lover", that she was popular and beautiful and that "they were beautiful
together". The word "heat" was mentioned. ;) He related that he felt she
was a strong actress who had realized that due to the nature of the
show, her role would always be necessarily limited, and she made a
choice to leave in search of a stronger role. They talked about how she
would die, and that to have it come after she had been saved from the
threats that came from being with DM, to be killed by random street
violence was a "shock." BP said it was appropriate that it was a comment
on what happens in real life, that Tessa and Richie were both killed. DA
said it made him really sad to have Tessa die, and that it made the fans
really angry. He said he was glad to have the opportunity to say that it
wasn't really their choice.
The Tracie Lord character, they explained, was based sort of on the
character Whoopie Goldberg played in "Ghost", a pretend psychic who
happens to have real talent. They mentioned that Ms. Lord came out of
adult films, but had a certain vulnerability that really came across.
They talked about the difficulty of creating and filming in the "black
room", it took a lot of time and resulted in them cutting a planned
extended flashback scene where two gypsy women would fight over DM
(instead of, as BP said, "one cranky woman and Duncan").
OUTTAKES: They show Stan practicing getting shot, then the scene where
they film it. The voice-over is by Gillian Horvath, who explains that at
the end of The Darkness scene where Tessa and Richie were shot in the
version shown in the US, it seemed that Richie was truly dead, and it
was only at the end of the episode where Duncan walks up to Richie
outside the store that the audience finds out that Richie was an
Immortal. In the European cut, Richie opens his eyes, so it is clear he
has come *back* to life. In footage that was filmed (but not aired), he
is shown sitting up, looking amazed.
In Paris, we are told, the scene was completely recreated for
Counterfeit, Part II, but that recreated footage, which shows Richie
coming back to life, and has some dialogue between DM and R, wasn't used
until "Leader of the Pack" in season 4.
EPISODE: The initial setup in a prelude scene is that a mortal is using
lovers of Immortals to lure them into a trap, where he has prepared a
"darkroom", totally devoid of light, so that he can fight them with a
sword using heat sensitive goggles, and kill them. He is a protégé of
Horton who gets off on killing Immortals in this particular fashion.
Also involved is Greta, a psychic who ends up "seeing" Tessa's danger
during a casual palm reading in a bar, triggering a flashback to a gypsy
camp a couple of hundred years before, where Duncan is told he will love
many woman but marry none of them. In direct defiance of that edict,
after telling Tessa that no one's fate is predetermined, he proposes and
she accepts.
As expected, the bad guy distracts Duncan, then kidnaps Tessa and holds
her as hostage while Duncan frantically looks for her, with a lot of
pacing and worrying and chasing mysterious bad guys around, including
one falling off of a fire escape to his death. At the climax of the
story, Duncan ends up in the darkroom with the bad guy, swinging his
sword blindly until he pulls a pack of matches out, throws them up and
strikes them with his blade. The sudden heat blinds the bad guy with the
heat sensitive goggles, and Duncan kills him. He frees Tessa, they clasp
hands and declare their love, then Duncan sends her and Richie (who has
bumbled onto the scene only to get bonked on the head before he could do
anything useful) out to the car so he can look at the bad guy's computer
records.
At the car, a punk walks up to Richie and Tessa, demanding money, and
shooting them both when they don't produce any. Duncan hears the shots
and runs out, slowing down as he approaches Tessa's body. He goes to his
knees and pulls her into his lap and just sits there, stroking her face,
until the camera moves to Richie's body, and then Richie's eyes open.
One of the earliest truly poignant scenes in Highland, IMO, other than
Tessa's death itself, is the music video of Duncan standing in the
store, remembering all his wonderful and traumatic moments with Tessa,
holding one of her silk nightgowns in his hand, as "Dust in the Wind"
plays. At the end of that, he turns and walks out of the store, closing
the door behind him. He gives the keys to Richie, who is standing in the
alley, saying, "Sell it." Then he starts to walk away, but turns back
and tells Richie to "watch your head."
The emotionally important moments in this episode are many, but at the
top of the list is Duncan's defiant statement that no one's fate is
predestined, followed by his immediate proposal to Tessa. His love for
her was a tangible thing, communicating with remarkable power virtually
every time we saw them together. During the midst of the kidnapping
crisis, Duncan was cool, but fiercely determined, not at all cowed at
the notion that Fate was playing with him in the person of the psychic
and the gypsy who told him he would never marry. And he saved her. He
got the bad guy. Everything was okay. But then she was dead, violently,
suddenly, in a way he couldn't protect her from, didn't even know he was
*supposed* to protect her from. But protecting her was his job. The
helplessness of that, plus the pure sense of loss, would be utterly
crushing. His reaction seemed absolutely understandable, to me. In that
moment he had to believe that in defying Fate he had caused Tessa's
death as surely as though he had pulled the trigger himself. So what
could he do but go to his knees, and hold her. Not weep, not cry out.
Just hold her.
There is a whole other story going on, though. Richie is not dead, at
least not permanently. He is Immortal, and is now Duncan's
responsibility, at a time when he would have no emotional energy to
spare for such a task. But as we see in later episodes, I think it is
that responsibility and Richie's irrepressible nature that keeps Duncan
from sinking back into that dark place where he retreated after Little
Deer was killed.
OPINIONS: I liked the emotional set-up - the defiance of Fate which
represents to me a fundamental part of DM's character - a refusal to be
controlled by anything other than his own acts, skills and decisions. I
think Tracie Lord did (as DA said) have a certain vulnerability that
communicated well on screen, and I liked Tessa's determination to get
out of the bad guy's control. I have a few nits to pick about some plot
points, but on the whole the plot more or less held together. The final
scenes were hard to watch, but certainly are memorable, and have become
an essential part of an understanding of DM's character.
MacGeorge
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 17:54:18 -0600
From: Ginny <RED57@aol.com>
Subject: Re: OT: Suggestion - thanks for reposting how to set subject headers
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Ann Ford wrote on 1/6/2004, 11:00 AM:
> >>>
> If you want a prefix to show up on your subject lines to help identify
> which message come from HIGHLA-L then send email to
> LISTSERV@LISTS.psu.edu with only the following line in the body of the
> message (Subject line is ignored):
>
> SET HIGHLA-L SUBJ
>
> The prefix [HL] will appear at the beginning of each Subject line of
> all new messages from HIGHLA-L (The string 'Re:' will appear before
> the prefix on replies).
> <<<
Thanks for reposting this, Ann. My subject lines were showing like this
and I couldn't remember whether I had set it up via my mail program
(which is not standard AOL anymore) or via the listserv.
After all, it's been a good few years since I set up the preferences for
this list.
--
Ginny
RED57@aol.com
Fresh out of .sig lines
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 18:05:00 -0600
From: Ginny <RED57@aol.com>
Subject: Highlander Alumni - where are they now?
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
I didn't see if anyone had noticed this before - Highlander Alum
Cameron Bancroft is the lead in the new SciFi series
Code Name: Eternity.
And heh heh, this link is a twofer - it includes a mention of Michael
Shanks, a Highlander alum owing to his appearance in the episode we
love to hate, "The Zone."
http://www.scifi.com/eternity/cast/bancroft.html
--
Ginny
RED57@aol.com
Fresh out of .sig lines
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 19:16:11 -0500
From: Sandy Fields <diamonique@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Highlander Alumni - where are they now?
At 07:05 PM 1/6/2004, Ginny wrote:
>I didn't see if anyone had noticed this before - Highlander Alum Cameron
>Bancroft is the lead in the new SciFi series
>Code Name: Eternity.
Aha!! I knew that guy looked familiar, but I couldn't place him. Thanks
Ginny!
-- Sandy
For the moisturizing benefits of handcrafted soaps,
*whipped* shea butter, and soothing Lip Smoothies,
visit: http://sksoaps.home.comcast.net
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 19:40:32 -0500
From: JoAnne Briere <jojoann@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Highlander Alumni - where are they now?
the new scifi series ?
It`s been over for at least 4 years I would say :) ran for a season and was
not renew,
Johanne
At 06:05 PM 06/01/2004 -0600, Ginny wrote:
>I didn't see if anyone had noticed this before - Highlander Alum Cameron
>Bancroft is the lead in the new SciFi series
>Code Name: Eternity.
>
>And heh heh, this link is a twofer - it includes a mention of Michael
>Shanks, a Highlander alum owing to his appearance in the episode we love
>to hate, "The Zone."
>
><http://www.scifi.com/eternity/cast/bancroft.html>http://www.scifi.com/eternity/cast/bancroft.html
>
>--
>Ginny
><mailto:RED57@aol.com>RED57@aol.com
>Fresh out of .sig lines
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 20:16:09 -0600
From: Ginny <RED57@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Highlander Alumni - where are they now?
JoAnne Briere wrote on 1/6/2004, 6:40 PM:
> It`s been over for at least 4 years I would say :) ran for a season
> and was
> not renew,
You're right, it's a retread - I'd never heard of it before.
www.xent.com/FoRK-archive/2001.02/0180.html
"Code Name: Eternity is a 26 part series which had it's U.K. debut on
the 15 May 2000.
Executive Producers: Dimitri Logothetis, James Margellos, Peter Mohan,
Steve Levitan, Paul Bronfman, Robert Nador, Eve Vercel, Konstantin Thoeren.
A Canada-France co-production from Protocol Eternity Productions Inc.,
Dune S.A. and Metropole Telerision (M6), in association with CanWest
Global Broadcasting Inc., Protocol Entertainment Inc., UFA International
Film & TV Production Ltd., Warner Bros. Productions Limited and Warner
Bros. International Television Production."
Canada and France, where have we heard that before? ;)
The current SciFi com "title page" for the show describes it as a series
premiere - there's the source of the confusion. The promos have been
running heavily througout the Stargate-1 Monday night reruns.
Oh, well, it's new to those of us in the US, eh?
--
Ginny
RED57@aol.com
Fresh out of .sig lines
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:19:02 -1000
From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Deep Impacting
John--
> At this point there are no pictures directly
> associated with the mini-series and therefore we have to go with a
> recognisable HL image.
A recognizable image.... But, surely AP does appear in the mini-series?
Otherwise, Impact's cover would be about as misleading as Endgame's trailer.
Nina (&, w/ all the hoopla, I expected a full cover for HL--not just a
corner shot)
mac.westie@verizon.net
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