HIGHLA-L Digest - 11 Sep 2003 to 12 Sep 2003 (#2003-211)
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Topics of the day:
1. Avatar
2. Archangel (4)
3. Archangel - yet again (4)
4. Achangel (3)
5. Archangel-yet again (2)
6. Armageddon
7. Fan frictions. (4)
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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:26:02 -0700
From: FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@yahoo.com>
Subject: Avatar
I think the word for this ep is 'boring'.('out of it'
also comes to mind) There wasn't even a swordfight at
the end. I'll just be glad when this whole arc is
over.
Oh, and Mac...what were you thinking doing that
haircut? I miss the long hair!!!! (was that becuse AP
thought he was done with the series?)
How'd they do that with Richie and Tessa...I know they
can minipulate stuff with the computer...but I never
figured out how they could do voices without the
actors there.
Mel
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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 10:42:32 -0700
From: FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Archangel
>
> Fog, as a special effect, is probably relatively
> inexpensive. We can't all
> get ILM.
What's ILM?
>
> Alternate ending #1: Swords are drawn, battle
> ensues between Methos and
> Duncan over the woman. The winner stars in the next
> movie, and depends
> whether PW or AP sign the contract.
Nice one
>
> Alternate ending #2: Joe introduces woman as his
> new love interest. Faces
> of Methos and Duncan both crestfallen. Joe looks at
> both, laughs heartily.
I like it
>
> Alternate ending #3: the "stunningly beautiful"
> woman removes the scarf
> from her head, revealing her face in the light.
> They know her. The hands
> have very long nails. Shot of Methos and Duncan,
> eyes bugging out, beer
> snorted through noses. Cut to black.
<Snort> That'd be a funny sight. But I don't get
it....who is she? Or was it supposed to be anyone in
particular?
Mel (my ending: After the AAA trilogy, Duncan wakes up
kicking and screaming and going "it was all a dream,
it was all a dream...." while he's hugging on to a
very confused Richie(<snort>)(If it weren't for all
the good post- S1 eps, I'd place him waking up back
there with Tessa....(no Anne! Yay! but that'd also
mean no Methos, so I won't go there.)
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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 07:00:16 EDT
From: Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Archangel
In a message dated 9/12/2003 4:47:18 AM Central Daylight Time,
sgt_buck_frobisher@yahoo.com writes:
<<
What's ILM?
>>
Industrial Light and Magic; the group that was made famous for their work
on Star Wars, and I think, Close Encounters. They do most of the special
effects on movies.
Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing.
Peter Venkman
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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 21:17:31 -0700
From: Gregory Mate <gmate@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Archangel - yet again
Becky:
>Demons aside, was killing Richie - regardless of how it
>happened - a good idea or a bad idea? I don't have any
>problem with a series killing off a major character as
>it comes to an end. I think it takes guts. In
>Richie's case I only have a problem with the method for
>his demise.
As far as the rest of the series went, I felt his demise was neither good
nor bad for the series. I am not a big Richie fan, but I did enjoy seeing
the scampish fellow get into all sorts of trouble! And certainly one of
the good parts of the series was watching him grow from an "annoying
teenager" to a (somewhat impetuous but also likeable) man.
Had the series continued to a seventh season (no mean feat for even the
finest of shows), I think Richie would have been missed. While we had
Duncan, along with the recurring roles of Joe, Methos and Amanda, Richie
filled a role which the others did not.
....Greg....
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He Who Still Likes To Needle The Richie Fans On Occasion
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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 08:41:34 -0700
From: Gregory Mate <gmate@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Archangel
Mel:
>What's ILM?
Evelyn:
>Industrial Light and Magic; the group that was made famous for their work
>on Star Wars, and I think, Close Encounters. They do most of the special
>effects on movies.
Most recently Pirates of the Caribbean. They're probably the biggest
special effects company in Hollywood. Started by (and I think still owned
by) George Lucas/Lucasfilm. Sort of the dream company to work for if
you're in the field.
....Greg....
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He Who Is Late For Work Today
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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 08:55:28 -0700
From: Gregory Mate <gmate@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Archangel
Mel:
><Snort> That'd be a funny sight. But I don't get
>it....who is she? Or was it supposed to be anyone in
>particular?
The one with the nails is Cassandra. Back when Comes a
Horseman/Revelations 6:8 was first broadcast, there was a discussion on why
the character of Cassandra had long nails in the Bronze Age
flashback. This was due to the actress (Tracy Scoggins) wanting to keep
the nails, presumably because of other projects or else she just liked
them. The nails didn't fit with the character, so it became an ongoing joke.
>Mel (my ending: After the AAA trilogy, Duncan wakes up
>kicking and screaming and going "it was all a dream,
>it was all a dream...." while he's hugging on to a
>very confused Richie(<snort>)(If it weren't for all
>the good post- S1 eps, I'd place him waking up back
>there with Tessa....(no Anne! Yay! but that'd also
>mean no Methos, so I won't go there.)
Ah, the Dallas-ending. Good one.
(To borrow shamelessly from a Pepsi Twist commercial with the Osbourne family):
Scene in Joe's bar.
"I'm not Methos, ****zzziiipppp******* I'm Horton!"
"And I'm not Joe, ******zzziiiiipppp***** I'm Kalas!"
Duncan looks shocked.
Wavy background to simulate dream sequence.
Duncan wakes up in bed in a sweat. "Oh thank goodness Tessa, it was all a
dream."
Richie turns in bed beside Duncan, grinning.
Duncan looks at the camera and screams as the camera pulls away.
....Greg....
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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 07:32:07 -0700
From: FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Achangel
"...a take off on the Pepsi Twist Ozzy commercial"
(okay, that wasn't the exact quote, but I'm trying not
to go back into my inbox for fear I'll get held up
with more mail)
<Snip>
<Snort, giggle> I love it, Gregory!
Or there's the "he wakes up back in his village in
Scotland" ending...."(said in Scottish accent)I
dreamed I was immortal...and I was 400 years old...and
I had to keep cutting off heads with my sword..."
or the "he's mortal and Tessa's his wife and maybe
Richie's his son" ending aka the "Wizard of Oz"
ending. "And you and you and you were there...it
wasn't a dream, it was a real truly live place..."
Ok, now I'm just getting silly.
Mel(I'd say a Wuthering Heights type ending, but since
Dunkie poo would be headless afterward (if I've got
the right show, it ended with someone dying)so that's
not an option.)
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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 19:06:44 +0200
From: T'Mar <tmar@sifl.iid.co.za>
Subject: Re: Achangel
Mel wrote:
>"And you and you and you were there...it
>wasn't a dream, it was a real truly live place..."
Or how about he meets up with a mysterious woman in black
leather at an S&M club, then people suction some weird
device out of him, he meets up with a guy in a *leather*
coat in a dank hotel room... fast forward a couple of
weeks and he's sitting there wondering...
"Why oh why didn't I take the BLUE pill!"
Heh heh heh...
- Marina.
\\ "I'm naming all the stars." ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
// "You can't see the stars, love. That's the || R I C H I E >> \\
\\ ceiling. Also, it's day." - Drusilla & Spike ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
//===============tmar@sifl.iid.co.za============|| \\
\\==============Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie============//
"I went to Chulak, and all I got was this lousy Goa'uld."
- Stargate T-shirt idea.
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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 10:35:29 -0700
From: FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Achangel
OK, I'd say I'm having a blonde moment..but I'm not
blonde. Call it a dumb moment. What would they suction
out of him? And what's with the * * around 'leather'?
Yes, I know what the blue pill is.....what did he take
instead?
Mel(thinks some fun could be had with Dunkie poo and
blue pills....)
>
> Or how about he meets up with a mysterious woman in
> black leather at an S&M club, then people suction
some weird device out of him, he meets up with a guy
in a *leather* coat in a dank hotel room... fast
forward a couple of weeks and he's sitting there
wondering...
>
> "Why oh why didn't I take the BLUE pill!"
>
> Heh heh heh...
>
> - Marina.
>
> \\ "I'm naming all the stars."
> ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
> // "You can't see the stars, love. That's the || R
> I C H I E >> \\
> \\ ceiling. Also, it's day." - Drusilla & Spike
> ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
> //===============tmar@sifl.iid.co.za============||
> \\
> \\==============Chief Flag Waver and Defender of
> Richie============//
>
> "I went to Chulak, and all I got was this lousy
> Goa'uld."
> - Stargate T-shirt idea.
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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:24:38 -0400
From: Wendy Tillis <immortals_incorporated@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Archangel - yet again
Becky wrote:
>In
>Richie's case I only have a problem with the method for
>his demise.
The idea of Duncan killing Richie was fine...it was just the reason for it that was awful (IMGLO) From almost day one - no *from* day one - we had Duncan and Richie face-to-face with swords in their hands. Richie's death at Duncan's hand was foreshadowed more than once and Richie asked directly if one day they would have to face each other.
If I were king <eg> ...er...the writer, and I knew that 1) there might not be a Season 6 and 2) that TPTB wanted to remove Richie whether or not there was a Season 6, I would have spent Season 5 building up to a Duncan /Richie showdown. The set-up was there from Season 4 with SW and Deliverance. The first part of Season 5 even supports this possibility with the real estrangement that exists between Duncan and Richie in EOI and Haunted. I would have developed some plot line that pushed the two onto colliding paths - with Joe and Methos picking sides and offering advice/warnings/witty asides as always. How hard would it have been to move Richie into some activity that Duncan didn't approve of? Or mix him up with some character that Duncan hated? Or, for that matter, have Duncan show signs of his past craziness and have Richie be the one who thinks "never again"? Instead of trying to build up some bigger and badder Evil for Duncan to fight (who ever said each season's vil!
lain had to top the past one?)(Oh, yeah....Joss Weadon) have the season show the course of a relationship's total destruction. *Then* have the big fight and have Duncan whack Richie - on purpose - in the heat of "battle". Then let him deal with *that* when he looks down at Richie's headless body. (And, sure, we saw Duncan have to kill lots of friends but never a current friend. They were always old friends who showed up "changed" and in need of shortening.)
Wendy(Hate "it was a dream" endings)(Except, of course, the one I'm hoping for on "Alias".)(Not gonna get it, I know)
Immortals Inc.
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"Weasels for Eternity"
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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 15:03:04 -0400
From: Sandy Fields <diamonique@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Archangel - yet again
At 02:24 PM 09/12/2003 -0400, Wendy Tillis wrote:
>If I were king <eg> ...er...the writer, and I knew that 1) there might
>not be a Season 6 and 2) that TPTB wanted to remove Richie whether or not
>there was a Season 6, I would have spent Season 5 building up to a Duncan
>/Richie showdown.
I love this! This would have made for some really good heart-wrenching HL
action.
-- Sandy (Why didn't Kirk, Spock, et al know about the big bad alien thing
that attacked Earth?)
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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 20:20:54 +0100
From: Jette Goldie <jette@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Archangel - yet again
> >And ..tomorrow we get "Avatar"..which is arguably the *worst*
> >Highlander episode ever produced, bar none (not even the Zone)
>
> I'll agree there. Especially since The Zone did have Saint Michael.
> (Michael Shanks to the uninitiated.) Hehe.
Avatar had "dream-evil-Joe in black muscle t-shirt".
Jette
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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:29:52 -0700
From: FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Archangel-yet again
Now *that* would've been an ending to see.
I know may get ranted, but...anyone wanna try to write
it?
I *can* say that I'm not touching it. I don't have the
time right now.
*runs back into her corner to hide from Nina*
Mel
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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:34:39 -0700
From: FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@yahoo.com>
Subject: Armageddon
Not a whole lot to say about this ep. Liked the
tempation scene though.
Really liked seeing Dunkie boy spend a large portion
of the ep in that cute little outfit that showed off
his lovely chest.<sigh>
OK, I'll go crawl into the gutter now.....<ggl>
Mel (How many times did they use Bonny Portmore in
this series? (and when am I gonna quit snapping into
Endgame mode every time I hear it? Connor's *not* dead!!!!))
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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 23:51:14 +0100
From: "John Mosby (Home)" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
Subject: Fan frictions.
Yes. I know. This may start it ALLLLLLLLLLLLL up again, but I was pointed to
the site below by www.peterdavid.net (always a good read) and it answers
some specific LEGAL questions about fanfic.
:)
John
Here ya go:
http://chillingeffects.org/fanfic/faq.cgi#QID222
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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 19:12:53 EDT
From: Ashton7@aol.com
Subject: Re: Fan frictions.
In a message dated 9/12/2003 7:08:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,
a.j.mosby@btinternet.com writes:
> This may start it ALLLLLLLLLLLLL up again, but I was pointed to
> the site below by www.peterdavid.net (always a good read) and it answers
> some specific LEGAL questions about fanfic.
>
Isn't that the man who was chasing you around during the Iron Artist's
contest at Dragoncon, Leah?!?!
Annie
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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:41:30 -1000
From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Archangel-yet again
Mel--
> *runs back into her corner to hide from Nina*
You can run, but you cannot hide.
I, on the other hand, wasn't hiding, but I really wasn't much interested in
the AAA discussion this time around. That arc, DM's silly haircut (plus
sillier big stick, crappy clothes, boring attitude, absurd Range Rover,
annoying old friends, unusually poor taste in women, & gaping absences), &
the series' sorry denouement are all depressing.
I did think about revising Wendy's hot-chick-enters-bar series ender
scenario to something about the "lady" lifting the scarf only to have a wig
come off, too, & drop to the floor next to size 13 pumps--causing both DM &
Methos to go pale & gag at their close call, thus crushing the wet dreams of
slashers everywhere, but it hardly seemed worth the time to post....
Nina
mac.westie@verizon.net
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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:44:06 -1000
From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Fan frictions.
John--
> Yes. I know. This may start it ALLLLLLLLLLLLL up again, but I was pointed
to
> the site below by www.peterdavid.net (always a good read) and it answers
> some specific LEGAL questions about fanfic.
Really? I don't see many specific answers to legal questions there. Except
for the specific legal decision that a treatment for a Rocky film was ruled
a copyright violation due to the Rocky characters being clearly delineated,
despite the fact they were used in a new situation. Certainly, DM & the
other HL characters have been just as clearly delineated over the course of
4 films, 119 series eps, & 22 (crappy) Raven eps. So, HL fanfic using these
characters is copying, derivative, & in violation of DPP's copyright.
Other than that, most of what is at this site is rather obviously pro-fanfic
speculation, boot-strapping, day-dreaming, &, well, idiocy.
Nina
mac.westie@verizon.net
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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 19:52:45 -0400
From: Bizarro7@aol.com
Subject: Re: Fan frictions.
>>> This may start it ALLLLLLLLLLLLL up again, but I was pointed to
> the site below by www.peterdavid.net (always a good read) and it answers
> some specific LEGAL questions about fanfic.
>
Isn't that the man who was chasing you around during the Iron Artist's
contest at Dragoncon, Leah?!?!
Annie<<
Yup. His approach was that if I was going to feed him gags for the action onstage, I should deliver it myself!
Leah
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