HIGHLA-L Digest - 25 Sep 2002 to 26 Sep 2002 (#2002-157)
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1. (OT:) Re: Well & truly a slash thing now but hopefully not for much longer
(6)
2. (OT:) Re: Well & truly a slash thing now but hopefully not
for much longer
3. Well & truly a slash thing now (6)
4. Peter Wingfield on `Just Cause' (2)
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 22:11:46 -0400
From: Morgan <morrigan13@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: (OT:) Re: Well & truly a slash thing now but hopefully not for
much longer
Pat
> > (who thought Hank Reardon & Francisco d'Anconia made a lovely
> > >couple)
Me:
> >Tee hee!! Extra points for those who can name the author and title (yes,
> >it's a book).
> >
> >Tho' I kept hoping for a threesome....
Caroline:
>With Dagny or John?
Dagny, of course. I didn't think John quite measured up.
Morgan
morrigan13@earthlink.net
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The world breaks everyone and afterward many are strong at the broken places.
--Ernest Hemingway
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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 03:11:26 +0100
From: John Mosby <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: (OT:) Re: Well & truly a slash thing now but hopefully
not for much longer
> Dagny, of course. I didn't think John quite measured up.
Hush your mouth.
John
(consulting lawyer. maybe)
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 22:17:03 -0400
From: Morgan <morrigan13@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: (OT:) Re: Well & truly a slash thing now but hopefully not for
much longer
Okay, I rethought my original answer.
Pat :
> > (who thought Hank Reardon & Francisco d'Anconia made a lovely
> > >couple)
Me:
> >Tee hee!! Extra points for those who can name the author and title (yes,
> >it's a book).
> >
> >Tho' I kept hoping for a threesome....
Caroline:
>With Dagny or John?
Actually, now that I think about it (it's been a while--for a moment I
didn't connect John with the right character), John would be much more
likely, although there's really a menage a quatre going on there.
I could see Hank and John. And Francisco and John. And Dagny and John and
any combination of the other two.
In a way, John's a Mary Sue. Everybody adores him, he can do anything....
and you could argue that he was the projection of Ayn Rand herself.
Morgan (oddly enough, a woman I knew in high school married Leonard
Peikoff)(is that weird or what?)
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign,
that the dunces are all in confederacy against him." -- Jonathan Swift
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:08:15 -1000
From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Well & truly a slash thing now
Morgan--
>Actually, now that I think about it (it's been a while--for a moment I
> didn't connect John with the right character),
How could anyone mistake...never mind. Maybe I was the only one who had a
"Who is John Galt?" bumper sticker.
Ok, that's Pat, Morgan, Caroline--anyone else for my very special list,
written in blood on black crepe paper? Slashing such noble & obviously
hetero characters ... shame on you. You WERE warned. Every time you get a
paper cut, bite your own tongue, or stub a toe--consider yourselves
punished.
Just proves my point, though--those characters LEAST likely to HAVE
homoerotic urges draw out slashers in droves, just to beat up the character
(& those fond of the character) a bit. Duncan MacLeod, John Galt--same
principle.
Nina (who finds it handy to have Satan on speed-dial)
mac.westie@verizon.net
Save Farscape http://farscape.wdsection.com/index.php
Frell Sci Fi, just on principle.
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 22:53:15 -0700
From: "~Rennie MacWoW" <renmacwow@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Well & truly a slash thing now
:::Poking my head out of the cave and looking around::: Umm, I've never h=
eard of her either. :::back into the cave, dragging my sack of SciFi book=
s with me:::
~Rennie
----- Original Message -----
From: Jette Goldie
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 12:23 PM
To: HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU
Subject: Re: Well & truly a slash thing now
> > Several well known authors, including Lois McMasters
> > Bujold, started out in fan fiction.
>
> Who?
<shakes head> She's only one of the biggest names
in SF these days. You'd have to be living in a cave to
miss her - even the non-SF fans have heard of her
in my experience.
Jette
(aka Vinyaduriel)
"Work for Peace and remain fiercely loving" - Jim Byrnes
jette@blueyonder.co.uk
http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
http://bosslady.tripod.com/fanfic.html
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 23:27:13 -0700
From: Pat Lawson <plawson@webleyweb.com>
Subject: Re: Well & truly a slash thing now
Nina wrote:
>How could anyone mistake...never mind. Maybe I was the only one who had a
>"Who is John Galt?" bumper sticker.
No bumper sticker, but I have used it for a sig.
>Just proves my point, though--those characters LEAST likely to HAVE
>homoerotic urges draw out slashers in droves, just to beat up the character
>(& those fond of the character) a bit. Duncan MacLeod, John Galt--same
>principle.
Sorry, but you can't use me to make your point. I'm not a slasher & never
have been. That was the point of my previous post. You don't have to be
a slasher to take notice of sexual overtones of every flavor.
I don't write slash & I don't read slash. I've nothing against it, it's
just not to my taste. I sampled some several years ago and they all
reminded me of romance novels, a genre I find boring. To each their own.
Also, when I first read Atlas Shrugged decades ago I didn't even know there
was such a thing as slash. I still thought Hank & Francisco had a
physical relationship.
Pat (Not everyone fits into neat little boxes with pretty labels.)
(FBCRL)
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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 07:00:53 -0400
From: Morgan <morrigan13@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Well & truly a slash thing now
At 05:08 PM 09/25/2002 -1000, you wrote:
>Morgan--
>>Actually, now that I think about it (it's been a while--for a moment I
>> didn't connect John with the right character),
>
>How could anyone mistake...never mind. Maybe I was the only one who had a
>"Who is John Galt?" bumper sticker.
Probably because I always referred to him as "Galt" rather than "John" when
discussing the book. Yet another instance of typing before the thoughts are
fully formed, I guess.... but you're right: no excuse, really.
>Ok, that's Pat, Morgan, Caroline--anyone else for my very special list,
>written in blood on black crepe paper?
You put all the geezers on a Very Special List? It just warms my heart.... <g>
>Just proves my point, though--those characters LEAST likely to HAVE
>homoerotic urges draw out slashers in droves, just to beat up the character
>(& those fond of the character) a bit. Duncan MacLeod, John Galt--same
>principle.
::checks pockets::
Nope... I don't think I have a Slasher's Union card, either. Count me as
down the hall from Pat: I enjoy well-written slash on occasion, but I
wouldn't lump myself into the group who slashes, as you say, "just to beat
up the character." Kind of painting with broad strokes, dontcha think?
>Nina (who finds it handy to have Satan on speed-dial)
I find my local voodoo priestess to be more available, myself. Ain't
nothing like sitting on Hell-Hold for eternity, waiting for Satan to come
to the phone....
!perverse (and nobody's picked up on the Ayn Rand Mary Sue
statement)(darn)(what sort of hold-muzak do you suppose Hell uses?)
morrigan13@earthlink.net
List Witch Emerita, Highla-L
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign,
that the dunces are all in confederacy against him" -- Jonathan Swift
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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 09:17:45 -0400
From: Caroline Dechert <enilorac@voicenet.com>
Subject: Re: (OT:) Re: Well & truly a slash thing now but hopefully not for
much longer
Nina:
>Ok, that's Pat, Morgan, Caroline--anyone else for my very special list,
>written in blood on black crepe paper? Slashing such noble & obviously
>hetero characters ... shame on you. You WERE warned. Every time you get a
>paper cut, bite your own tongue, or stub a toe--consider yourselves
>punished.
Hey, I just asked. I don't read fanfic at all (unless someone recommends
a really good - or bad - example for fun), let alone slash. I did read an
Emergency! slash story once, and think I'm scarred for life. ; >
Actually, I'm not even convinced John Galt and Dagny had
enough energy left after a long night's philosophizing to manage
a decent sexual relationship.
Morgan:
>In a way, John's a Mary Sue. Everybody adores him, he can do anything....
>and you could argue that he was the projection of Ayn Rand herself.
He's a cardboard character to me. We don't see how he got
where he is; he exists primarily to present the longest monologue
in fiction. Roark is really much more interesting.
I'm not sure John's a Mary Sue (or Manly Sue, or whatever),
though. Yes, he's a projection of Rand, but he's also the one
she wants to run off with. This complicates the classification.
Personally, I think she and Dagny are both nuts. It's
Frisco for me, and Hank a close second.
>Morgan (oddly enough, a woman I knew in high school married Leonard
>Peikoff)(is that weird or what?)
Yes, Morgan, it's weird.
Caroline (Ayn Rand's Hell muzak: current Alan Greenspan quotes)
Caroline Dechert
enilorac@voicenet.com
"When the bird and the book disagree, always believe the bird."
... James Audubon
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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:33:16 -0400
From: Heidi <heidi@apocalypse.org>
Subject: Peter Wingfield on `Just Cause'
According to TV Guide Peter Wingfield is going to be in an episode
of `Just Cause' this weekend. The info from the TVGuide site is-
Just Cause
Above the Law
Alex (Lisa Lackey) tells Whitney she believes that one of San Francisco's
most decorated detectives (Peter Wingfield) murdered her friend, an ex-
con. Gloria: Jenafor Ryane. Chief Wagner: Mark Houghton. Kaplan: Jason
Schombing.
Cast: Lisa Lackey, Shaun Benson, Richard Thomas, Roger Cross, Jenafor
Ryane, Peter Wingfield, Mark Houghton
Sunday Sept. 29 9:00 PM, repeat- Tuesday Oct. 1 9:00 PM
It says it's on the `Pax' channel. I've never seen the show so don't
know what it's like.
=}{=
(heidi@apocalypse.org)
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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 11:29:20 -0700
From: Pat Lawson <plawson@webleyweb.com>
Subject: Re: (OT:) Re: Well & truly a slash thing now but hopefully not for
much longer
Caroline wrote:
>Actually, I'm not even convinced John Galt and Dagny had
>enough energy left after a long night's philosophizing to manage
>a decent sexual relationship.
Hey! I'm married to a philosopher, and I can unequivocally state that
philosophizing & a sex life are highly compatible. Philosophers are deep
thinkers, don't ya know.
>He's a cardboard character to me. We don't see how he got
>where he is; he exists primarily to present the longest monologue
>in fiction. Roark is really much more interesting.
I can't disagree.
> (Ayn Rand's Hell muzak: current Alan Greenspan quotes)
ROFL!
Pat
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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:38:49 -1000
From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Peter Wingfield on `Just Cause'
> According to TV Guide Peter Wingfield is going to be in an episode
> of `Just Cause' this weekend. The info from the TVGuide site is-
Poop. I don't get PAX.
> Cast: Lisa Lackey, Shaun Benson, Richard Thomas, Roger Cross, Jenafor
> Ryane, Peter Wingfield, Mark Houghton
Roger Cross was, of course, Derek in Little Tin God. Jenafor Rayne was
Roszca's pregnant girlfriend in Leader of the Pack.
Nina
mac.westie@verizon.net
Save Farscape http://farscape.wdsection.com/index.php
Frell Sci Fi, just on principle.
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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:33:12 -0400
From: Caroline Dechert <enilorac@voicenet.com>
Subject: Re: (OT:) Re: Well & truly a slash thing now but hopefully not for
much longer
Pat:
>Hey! I'm married to a philosopher, and I can unequivocally state that
>philosophizing & a sex life are highly compatible. Philosophers are deep
>thinkers, don't ya know.
My comments were restricted to John and Dagny. Well,
mostly to John. I have happy memories of long ...
philosophical discussions...
Caroline
Caroline Dechert
enilorac@voicenet.com
"When the bird and the book disagree, always believe the bird."
... James Audubon
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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 15:05:01 -0700
From: Pat Lawson <plawson@webleyweb.com>
Subject: Re: (OT:) Re: Well & truly a slash thing now but hopefully not for
much longer
Caroline wrote:
>Pat:
> >Hey! I'm married to a philosopher, and I can unequivocally state that
> >philosophizing & a sex life are highly compatible. Philosophers are deep
> >thinkers, don't ya know.
>
>My comments were restricted to John and Dagny. Well,
>mostly to John. I have happy memories of long ...
>philosophical discussions...
Ok, I agree with you in regards to Dagny & John.
Pat (size does matter, big ... brains ... are sexy)
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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 15:56:55 -1000
From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Well & truly a slash thing now
me before--
> >Marina & other slash afficianados, could you please answer me this? When
> >you are in the real world & see a couple hetero guy pals goofing around,
do
> >you ever have slash flashes similar to those you get while watching
HL:TS?
Marina--
> Well... sometimes. <SNIP>
me again--
> >do you think you are seeing subtext that's really there (the guys DO
> >want each other sexually on some, even if unadmitted, level), or is it
ONLY
> >in your head?
And Marina again--
> I think it's in my head, which is fine. :)
Well, you ARE consistent. In fictional entertainment AND in real life,
basically, you see gay people. I don't know what that might mean, but I DO
think that if I realized I was seeing stuff in real life that I KNEW wasn't
there, I'd be ... concerned ... & I'd chat w/ someone about it--someone who
had a comfy couch, impressive plaques on the wall, & a prescription pad.
Nina
mac.westie@verizon.net
Save Farscape http://farscape.wdsection.com/index.php
Frell Sci Fi, just on principle.
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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 15:58:50 -1000
From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Well & truly a slash thing now
beccaelizabeth--
> making up stuff about real people is lying. and often hurtful. so you
> dont.
Well, there IS the offshoot of fanfic where the stories are about the
ACTORS--even slash stories.
Marina--if, as you said earlier, any & all interpretations are valid, is
actor slash "valid"?
Nina
mac.westie@verizon.net
Save Farscape http://farscape.wdsection.com/index.php
Frell Sci Fi, just on principle.
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