HIGHLA-L Digest - 25 Sep 2002 to 26 Sep 2002 (#2002-157)

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      Topics of the day:
      
        1. (OT:) Re: Well & truly a slash thing now but hopefully not for much longer
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        2. (OT:) Re: Well & truly a slash thing now but hopefully              not   
           for much longer
        3. Well & truly a slash thing now (6)
        4. Peter Wingfield on `Just Cause' (2)
      
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      Date:    Wed, 25 Sep 2002 22:11:46 -0400
      From:    Morgan <morrigan13@earthlink.net>
      Subject: Re: (OT:) Re: Well & truly a slash thing now but hopefully not for
               much longer
      
      Pat
       > > (who thought Hank Reardon & Francisco d'Anconia made a lovely
       > > >couple)
      Me:
       > >Tee hee!! Extra points for those who can name the author and title (yes,
       > >it's a book).
       > >
       > >Tho' I kept hoping for a threesome....
      Caroline:
       >With Dagny or John?
      
      Dagny, of course. I didn't think John quite measured up.
      
      Morgan
      morrigan13@earthlink.net
      
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      The world breaks everyone and afterward many are strong at the broken places.
      --Ernest Hemingway
      
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      Date:    Thu, 26 Sep 2002 03:11:26 +0100
      From:    John Mosby <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
      Subject: Re: (OT:) Re: Well & truly a slash thing now but hopefully
               not              for much longer
      
      > Dagny, of course. I didn't think John quite measured up.
      
      
      Hush your mouth.
      
      John
      (consulting lawyer. maybe)
      
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      Date:    Wed, 25 Sep 2002 22:17:03 -0400
      From:    Morgan <morrigan13@earthlink.net>
      Subject: Re: (OT:) Re: Well & truly a slash thing now but hopefully not for
               much longer
      
      Okay, I rethought my original answer.
      
      Pat :
       > > (who thought Hank Reardon & Francisco d'Anconia made a lovely
       > > >couple)
      Me:
       > >Tee hee!! Extra points for those who can name the author and title (yes,
       > >it's a book).
       > >
       > >Tho' I kept hoping for a threesome....
      Caroline:
       >With Dagny or John?
      
      Actually, now that I think about it (it's been a while--for a moment I
      didn't connect John with the right character), John would be much more
      likely, although there's really a menage a quatre going on there.
      
      I could see Hank and John. And Francisco and John. And Dagny and John and
      any combination of the other two.
      
      In a way, John's a Mary Sue. Everybody adores him, he can do anything....
      and you could argue that he was the projection of Ayn Rand herself.
      
      Morgan (oddly enough, a woman I knew in high school married Leonard
      Peikoff)(is that weird or what?)
      
      "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign,
      that the dunces are all in confederacy against him." -- Jonathan Swift
      
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      Date:    Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:08:15 -1000
      From:    MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
      Subject: Re: Well & truly a slash thing now
      
      Morgan--
      >Actually, now that I think about it (it's been a while--for a moment I
      > didn't connect John with the right character),
      
      How could anyone mistake...never mind.  Maybe I was the only one who had a
      "Who is John Galt?" bumper sticker.
      
      
      Ok, that's Pat, Morgan, Caroline--anyone else for my very special list,
      written in blood on black crepe paper?  Slashing such noble & obviously
      hetero characters ... shame on you.  You WERE warned.  Every time you get a
      paper cut, bite your own tongue, or stub a toe--consider yourselves
      punished.
      
      Just proves my point, though--those characters LEAST likely to HAVE
      homoerotic urges draw out slashers in droves, just to beat up the character
      (& those fond of the character) a bit.  Duncan MacLeod, John Galt--same
      principle.
      
      Nina (who finds it handy to have Satan on speed-dial)
      mac.westie@verizon.net
      Save Farscape http://farscape.wdsection.com/index.php
      Frell Sci Fi, just on principle.
      
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      Date:    Wed, 25 Sep 2002 22:53:15 -0700
      From:    "~Rennie MacWoW" <renmacwow@hotmail.com>
      Subject: Re: Well & truly a slash thing now
      
      :::Poking my head out of the cave and looking around::: Umm, I've never h=
      eard of her either. :::back into the cave, dragging my sack of SciFi book=
      s with me:::
      
      ~Rennie
      
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Jette Goldie
      Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 12:23 PM
      To: HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU
      Subject: Re: Well & truly a slash thing now
      
      > > Several well known authors, including Lois McMasters
      > > Bujold, started out in fan fiction.
      >
      > Who?
      
      <shakes head>  She's only one of the biggest names
      in SF these days.  You'd have to be living in a cave to
      miss her - even the non-SF fans have heard of her
      in my experience.
      
      Jette
      (aka Vinyaduriel)
      "Work for Peace and remain fiercely loving" - Jim Byrnes
      jette@blueyonder.co.uk
      http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
      http://bosslady.tripod.com/fanfic.html
      
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      Date:    Wed, 25 Sep 2002 23:27:13 -0700
      From:    Pat Lawson <plawson@webleyweb.com>
      Subject: Re: Well & truly a slash thing now
      
      Nina wrote:
      
      >How could anyone mistake...never mind.  Maybe I was the only one who had a
      >"Who is John Galt?" bumper sticker.
      
      No bumper sticker, but I have used it for a sig.
      
      >Just proves my point, though--those characters LEAST likely to HAVE
      >homoerotic urges draw out slashers in droves, just to beat up the character
      >(& those fond of the character) a bit.  Duncan MacLeod, John Galt--same
      >principle.
      
      Sorry, but you can't use me to make your point.   I'm not a slasher & never
      have been.  That was the point of my previous post.   You don't have to be
      a slasher to take notice of sexual overtones of every flavor.
      
      I don't write slash & I don't read slash.   I've nothing against it, it's
      just not to my taste.   I sampled some several years ago and they all
      reminded me of romance novels,  a genre I find boring.   To each their own.
      
      Also, when I first read Atlas Shrugged decades ago I didn't even know there
      was such a thing as slash.   I still thought Hank & Francisco had a
      physical relationship.
      
           Pat    (Not everyone fits into neat little boxes with pretty labels.)
      (FBCRL)
      
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      Date:    Thu, 26 Sep 2002 07:00:53 -0400
      From:    Morgan <morrigan13@earthlink.net>
      Subject: Re: Well & truly a slash thing now
      
      At 05:08 PM 09/25/2002 -1000, you wrote:
       >Morgan--
       >>Actually, now that I think about it (it's been a while--for a moment I
       >> didn't connect John with the right character),
       >
       >How could anyone mistake...never mind.  Maybe I was the only one who had a
       >"Who is John Galt?" bumper sticker.
      
      Probably because I always referred to him as "Galt" rather than "John" when
      discussing the book. Yet another instance of typing before the thoughts are
      fully formed, I guess.... but you're right: no excuse, really.
      
       >Ok, that's Pat, Morgan, Caroline--anyone else for my very special list,
       >written in blood on black crepe paper?
      
      You put all the geezers on a Very Special List? It just warms my heart.... <g>
      
       >Just proves my point, though--those characters LEAST likely to HAVE
       >homoerotic urges draw out slashers in droves, just to beat up the character
       >(& those fond of the character) a bit.  Duncan MacLeod, John Galt--same
       >principle.
      
      ::checks pockets::
      
      Nope... I don't think I have a Slasher's Union card, either. Count me as
      down the hall from Pat: I enjoy well-written slash on occasion, but I
      wouldn't lump myself into the group who slashes, as you say, "just to beat
      up the character." Kind of painting with broad strokes, dontcha think?
      
       >Nina (who finds it handy to have Satan on speed-dial)
      
      I find my local voodoo priestess to be more available, myself. Ain't
      nothing like sitting on Hell-Hold for eternity, waiting for Satan to come
      to the phone....
      
      !perverse (and nobody's picked up on the Ayn Rand Mary Sue
      statement)(darn)(what sort of hold-muzak do you suppose Hell uses?)
      morrigan13@earthlink.net
      List Witch Emerita, Highla-L
      
      "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign,
      that the dunces are all in confederacy against him" -- Jonathan Swift
      
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      Date:    Thu, 26 Sep 2002 09:17:45 -0400
      From:    Caroline Dechert <enilorac@voicenet.com>
      Subject: Re: (OT:) Re: Well & truly a slash thing now but hopefully not for
               much longer
      
      Nina:
       >Ok, that's Pat, Morgan, Caroline--anyone else for my very special list,
       >written in blood on black crepe paper?  Slashing such noble & obviously
       >hetero characters ... shame on you.  You WERE warned.  Every time you get a
       >paper cut, bite your own tongue, or stub a toe--consider yourselves
       >punished.
      
      Hey, I just asked. I don't read fanfic at all (unless someone recommends
      a really good - or bad - example for fun), let alone slash. I did read an
      Emergency! slash story once, and think I'm scarred for life. ; >
      
      Actually, I'm not even convinced John Galt and Dagny had
      enough energy left after a long night's philosophizing to manage
      a decent sexual relationship.
      
      Morgan:
       >In a way, John's a Mary Sue. Everybody adores him, he can do anything....
       >and you could argue that he was the projection of Ayn Rand herself.
      
      He's a cardboard character to me. We don't see how he got
      where he is; he exists primarily to present the longest monologue
      in fiction. Roark is really much more interesting.
      
      I'm not sure John's a Mary Sue (or Manly Sue, or whatever),
      though. Yes, he's a projection of Rand, but he's also the one
      she wants to run off with. This complicates the classification.
      
      Personally, I think she and Dagny are both nuts.  It's
      Frisco for me, and Hank a close second.
      
       >Morgan (oddly enough, a woman I knew in high school married Leonard
       >Peikoff)(is that weird or what?)
      
      Yes, Morgan, it's weird.
      
      Caroline (Ayn Rand's Hell muzak: current Alan Greenspan quotes)
      
      
      Caroline Dechert
      enilorac@voicenet.com
      
      "When the bird and the book disagree, always believe the bird."
                                                                  ... James Audubon
      
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      Date:    Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:33:16 -0400
      From:    Heidi <heidi@apocalypse.org>
      Subject: Peter Wingfield on `Just Cause'
      
      According to TV Guide Peter Wingfield is going to be in an episode
      of `Just Cause' this weekend. The info from the TVGuide site is-
      
        Just Cause
        Above the Law
        Alex (Lisa Lackey) tells Whitney she believes that one of San Francisco's
        most decorated detectives (Peter Wingfield) murdered her friend, an ex-
        con. Gloria: Jenafor Ryane. Chief Wagner: Mark Houghton. Kaplan: Jason
        Schombing.
        Cast: Lisa Lackey, Shaun Benson, Richard Thomas, Roger Cross, Jenafor
        Ryane, Peter Wingfield, Mark Houghton
        Sunday Sept. 29  9:00 PM,  repeat- Tuesday Oct. 1  9:00 PM
      
      
      It says it's on the `Pax' channel. I've never seen the show so don't
      know what it's like.
      
      =}{=
      
      (heidi@apocalypse.org)
      
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      Date:    Thu, 26 Sep 2002 11:29:20 -0700
      From:    Pat Lawson <plawson@webleyweb.com>
      Subject: Re: (OT:) Re: Well & truly a slash thing now but hopefully not for
               much longer
      
      Caroline wrote:
      
      >Actually, I'm not even convinced John Galt and Dagny had
      >enough energy left after a long night's philosophizing to manage
      >a decent sexual relationship.
      
      Hey!  I'm married to a philosopher, and I can unequivocally state that
      philosophizing & a sex life are highly compatible.   Philosophers are deep
      thinkers, don't ya know.
      
      >He's a cardboard character to me. We don't see how he got
      >where he is; he exists primarily to present the longest monologue
      >in fiction. Roark is really much more interesting.
      
      I can't disagree.
      
      >  (Ayn Rand's Hell muzak: current Alan Greenspan quotes)
      
      ROFL!
      
           Pat
      
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      Date:    Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:38:49 -1000
      From:    MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
      Subject: Re: Peter Wingfield on `Just Cause'
      
      > According to TV Guide Peter Wingfield is going to be in an episode
      > of `Just Cause' this weekend. The info from the TVGuide site is-
      
      Poop.  I don't get PAX.
      
      >   Cast: Lisa Lackey, Shaun Benson, Richard Thomas, Roger Cross, Jenafor
      >   Ryane, Peter Wingfield, Mark Houghton
      
      Roger Cross was, of course, Derek in Little Tin God.  Jenafor Rayne was
      Roszca's pregnant girlfriend in Leader of the Pack.
      
      Nina
      mac.westie@verizon.net
      Save Farscape http://farscape.wdsection.com/index.php
      Frell Sci Fi, just on principle.
      
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      Date:    Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:33:12 -0400
      From:    Caroline Dechert <enilorac@voicenet.com>
      Subject: Re: (OT:) Re: Well & truly a slash thing now but hopefully not for
               much longer
      
      Pat:
       >Hey!  I'm married to a philosopher, and I can unequivocally state that
       >philosophizing & a sex life are highly compatible.   Philosophers are deep
       >thinkers, don't ya know.
      
      My comments were restricted to John and Dagny. Well,
      mostly to John. I have happy memories of long ...
      philosophical discussions...
      
      Caroline
      
      
      Caroline Dechert
      enilorac@voicenet.com
      
      "When the bird and the book disagree, always believe the bird."
                                                                  ... James Audubon
      
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      Date:    Thu, 26 Sep 2002 15:05:01 -0700
      From:    Pat Lawson <plawson@webleyweb.com>
      Subject: Re: (OT:) Re: Well & truly a slash thing now but hopefully not for
               much longer
      
      Caroline wrote:
      
      >Pat:
      > >Hey!  I'm married to a philosopher, and I can unequivocally state that
      > >philosophizing & a sex life are highly compatible.   Philosophers are deep
      > >thinkers, don't ya know.
      >
      >My comments were restricted to John and Dagny. Well,
      >mostly to John. I have happy memories of long ...
      >philosophical discussions...
      
      Ok, I agree with you in regards to Dagny & John.
      
           Pat  (size does matter, big ... brains ...  are sexy)
      
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      Date:    Thu, 26 Sep 2002 15:56:55 -1000
      From:    MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
      Subject: Re: Well & truly a slash thing now
      
      me before--
      > >Marina & other slash afficianados, could you please answer me this?  When
      > >you are in the real world & see a couple hetero guy pals goofing around,
      do
      > >you ever have slash flashes similar to those you get while watching
      HL:TS?
      
      Marina--
      > Well... sometimes. <SNIP>
      
      me again--
      > >do you think you are seeing subtext that's really there (the guys DO
      > >want each other sexually on some, even if unadmitted, level), or is it
      ONLY
      > >in your head?
      
      And Marina again--
      >  I think it's in my head, which is fine. :)
      
      Well, you ARE consistent.  In fictional entertainment AND in real life,
      basically, you see gay people.  I don't know what that might mean, but I DO
      think that if I realized I was seeing stuff in real life that I KNEW wasn't
      there, I'd be ... concerned ... & I'd chat w/ someone about it--someone who
      had a comfy couch, impressive plaques on the wall, & a prescription pad.
      
      Nina
      mac.westie@verizon.net
      Save Farscape http://farscape.wdsection.com/index.php
      Frell Sci Fi, just on principle.
      
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      Date:    Thu, 26 Sep 2002 15:58:50 -1000
      From:    MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
      Subject: Re: Well & truly a slash thing now
      
      beccaelizabeth--
      > making up stuff about real people is lying.  and often hurtful.  so you
      > dont.
      
      Well, there IS the offshoot of fanfic where the stories are about the
      ACTORS--even slash stories.
      
      Marina--if, as you said earlier, any & all interpretations are valid, is
      actor slash "valid"?
      
      Nina
      mac.westie@verizon.net
      Save Farscape http://farscape.wdsection.com/index.php
      Frell Sci Fi, just on principle.
      
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