HIGHLA-L Digest - 5 Sep 2002 to 6 Sep 2002 - Special issue (#2002-135)
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Topics in this special issue:
1. D & P's power (was" Highlander 5?") (3)
2. Highlander 5? (11)
3. PoRA (2)
4. Qs (was-- Re: D & P's power (was" Highlander 5?")) (2)
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Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:21:32 -1000
From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: D & P's power (was" Highlander 5?")
Marina--
> Nina, are you sure the fanfic discussion is scheduled? I
> mean, ZK is all ready, but I'm not doing that again. However,
> it looks like some poor newbie (?) took the bait. Don't hurt
> him TOO much.
Moi?
> My word, we're allowed to put our fanfic titles in our .sig files?
> Why aren't I informed about these things?! (I wonder if I could get
> all 118 stories into a few lines if I didn't use spaces??)
118 fanfics--egads. But, you've taken the 1st step, Marina--confession is
good for the soul!
Leah--
>>>Heaven help us
if they start to show the series again in the US. Discussing HL on this list
might destroy it.We can subtitle this one "Highlander-Just Coasting">>>
Nah--brings to mind the Winter Olympics & makes us sound like some laid-back
variant of luge or bobsled.
How about--"Highlander: It's Dead. DPP Killed it, & They're Sucking the
Flesh off its Headless Corpse." Ok, that's a bit long, but newbies _would_
be fairly warned about us.
Stephen--
>>>BTW, to Nina: you made some good points in your last
post, so I will humbly conceed.>>>
Already? How...disappointing.
>>>I will
simply drop the discussion (unless someone else
chooses to pick it up, but I'm hoping they won't - I
think we've covered everything that needed to be
said).
Hardly. "Discussion" takes time & effort; bandages, water, a dictionary, &
massive amounts of chocolate should be stocked up & at hand for the siege.
They just don't make newb, er, listees like they used to.
>>>ZK ... (The ugliest Q in the series)
Ooh--definitely Richie's psychedelic spazzing after whacking Culbraith in
The Messenger.
Nina
mac.westie@verizon.net
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Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 23:26:38 EDT
From: Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Highlander 5?
In a message dated 09/05/2002 1:52:45 PM Central Daylight Time,=20
a.j.mosby@btinternet.com writes:
b) Hey, those effects aren't very good. What a lousy blue-screen. Cheap
bastards!
Did you ever see the Batgirl season of Batman? Instead of building sets,
they used a black stage and just put some scenery and props on that.
Examples of series ending well:
Tenchi Universe
Magnum
Xena
Shows that went on a bit too long:
M*A*S*H=20
Northern Exposure
Twin Peaks
Moonlighting
Batman
Pok=E9mon
Shows that ended too soon:
Max Headroom
Robocop
Current shows I will miss when they end:
Hamtaro
Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
E Pluribus Meow -- In Cats We Trust
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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 08:49:03 +0200
From: Marina Bailey <tmar@sifl.iid.co.za>
Subject: Re: Highlander 5?
John wrote:
>Voyager was pretty much doomed from half way through its first series,
>perhaps as early as the drawing board. I've spoken to various Trek actors
>(Voyager, TNG, DS9) who have stated on the record that what the show did was
>take successful ideas from all previous incarnations and throw them
>together, hopign for the best. Trouble is, as you say, there'd already been
>around 200hrs or more of stories before them. On average, originality was
>never a Voyager attribute
Oh, absolutely. I don't know that TPTB were thinking. Probably only
saw $$$ in front of their eyes.
>Get rid of the female lead. Make the side-kick an Immortal. Bring in an
>until-now never mentioned organisation and make its 'primary member' the
>central character's buddy and its other a recurring enemy. Keep changing
>location. These are pretty much fundemental changes, even if the hero is the
>same actor.
I suppose it really depends on why one was watching in the first place.
Those changes didn't bother me because I was watching for the concept:
a Scottish Immortal, basically. And as long as Duncan remained the
same, I was happy. I just looked at the changes as a way to explore
Duncan more.
>And you've described a great premise for a film. Sadly a sci-fi series
>reaching its 100th episode (and as many hours) can't just rely on the
>realtionship of two characters has to do one of two things. Pretend the past
>isn't important or build on it. If SG1 was meeting new aliens every week, it
>would get boring and repetetive. If it was meeting aliens and then never
>acknowledging the experience or the repercussions than it would be
>unrealistic. If it refers back to them it has to build the arcs and lose
>some of the 'new world of the week' and therefore the need to explore their
>language and archeology every hour.'
Oh, I agree with you on that. A show has to strike a balance. And I
think they managed it for the first four seasons. But when every
episode for a month is a sequel to another episode, I think there's
something wrong. I think somewhere along the line they lost the
balance. They also lost the actor and some of the audience. :)
>SG1 could never stay the show that Shanks or you signed on for. I know that
>later seasons of Highlander did not really reflect the reason I started
>watching years before. We can argue the conspiracy arcs, but there is no
>argument that Daniel Jackson's role HAD to change. I think it did, though
>I'd agree that when he wasn't used, he *obviously* wasn't used. When he was
>front and centre, I think it worked okay. Daniel Jackson / Michael Shanks
>was a fundemental part of the show and his contribution to it was not to be
>underestimated. But I believe that Highlander could have survived without
>Richie (the reason for a sucky HL season six was not down to his departure
>in my opinion)
I don't mind if a show evolves logically, in keeping with the
concept, and striking a balance as you and I have said. But
Stargate was built around Daniel and Jack. Highlander, as you say,
was not built around Richie. And I totally agree that season six
sucked, not because he left, but because of other elements.
>And the concept is a team going to new worlds and encountering differences
>of opinion, life and the repercussions thereof....as well as the way they
>interact with each other. If you lose a cog, the relationship changes, but
>it doesn't mean that all 'relationship' qualities and strands vanish with
>them. The interaction between the 'new' SG1 line-up COULD be as well
>written.
True, true. And I'd like to say that I'm not watching it anymore
because Daniel isn't in it, but I'd be lying. :) I watched season six
of HL, and I am watching season six of SG-1. I mean, look at "Abyss".
That was a bloody good one. Oh, wait - that one had Daniel in it.
Never mind. :) (Actually, I like it because the actor who played
Baal is South African, and got to use his real accent. Talk about
weird, hearing your own accent coming out all Goa'uld-ish. Fun.)
>Your opinion. I thought the original B5 saga was pretty good and any bumps
>were more down to not knowing if it would continue to be recommissioned.
>Judging the seris as a whole, it was quite a triumph. Z'ha'dum was one of
>the ebst cliff-hangers I've seen. Again. Just my opinion.
Well, yes. :) It was excellent. I think B5 is one of the best SF
shows ever made. But I'm still not a huge fan of season five, and
Crusade stank.
>But it was an ending. The saga was concluded. It doesn't have to be a happy
>ending to be a suitable ending. I'm not sure I like a dead Dr Banner either
>(even with Lizzie Gracen on hand!) but I can't deny they concluded that it
>was a logical if unhappy ending.
I suppose we can say, at least it HAD an ending, which is more than
most shows get. I still think of "Not to Be" as the end of HL,
because Endgame really didn't add anything to it, and the show,
to my mind anyway, was concluded. Now TPTB are just beating a
dead horse. (But did you know that TPTB were planning to bring
the Hulk back in a further TV movie and were thwarted when Bill
Bixby died? I was upset when he died, but I am glad they never
did that.)
>Well, yes and because there's always the vain hope of a reunion or tv movie.
>A la The Pretender. Just because they can't finance a series doesn't mean
>that a one-off special might not be an option later. Is it just me or is
>that EXACTLY what D/P should be considering rather than theatrical releases
>and bloody musicals?
Well, I agree with you. But who knows what they are thinking. ("$$$!")
I remember, when the Trek PTB were preparing TNG, that someone made
the comment that you can't catch lightning in a bottle twice. HL
has certainly proved that. HL:TS was excellent; HL:Raven... wasn't
(though I like Nick).
- Marina. (Interesting how these posts are going on and on, and we are
basically agreeing with each other.) (Heheh.)
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about the sixth season of Stargate SG-1.
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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 06:21:48 -0400
From: Judy Schneider <judyas77@hotmail.com>
Subject: PoRA
Hey ZK!
Can you PLEASE do me a huge favor and remind me what PoRA means? I've
suffered from creative memory editing and that part of my memory was, well,
creatively edited, and it's driving me NUTS! Well, nuttier, anyway.
Thanks,
Judy, the Chocolate Slayer judyas77@hotmail.com
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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:39:57 EDT
From: Ashton7@aol.com
Subject: Re: Highlander 5?
In a message dated 9/6/02 6:22:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
tmar@sifl.iid.co.za writes:
<< I suppose it really depends on why one was watching in the first place.
Those changes didn't bother me because I was watching for the concept:
a Scottish Immortal, basically. And as long as Duncan remained the
same, I was happy. I just looked at the changes as a way to explore
Duncan more. >>
Well, not only that...but Highlander's ratings *did* go down after they made
all those sweeping changes. I remember much discussion about it from the
writers of the show and the like that HL's ratings went down mid-season 2 and
never came back up to their former level. I can see why, too. They changed
Duncan from a suave, sophisticated antiques dealer into a dojo owner and the
entire little "family" that Duncan had was completely torn apart with the
death of Tessa and Richie suddenly becoming another Immortal. At least they
kept the basic core idea of Duncan the same throughout. But they apparently
did lose a portion of their audience when those changes happened.
Annie
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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:35:39 -0400
From: Ace!Miracle <ke731458@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu>
Subject: Re: Highlander 5?
On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Marina Bailey wrote:
> process. But if we were to learn something about the characters
> or have something new happen as a consequence, THAT would be an
> original spin. Voyager never had one in seven years. (Because
> the franchise had over 300 episodes by that time.)
I was at DragonCon last weekend, and Peter David (Trek, comic,
fantasy, scifi author) said something very interesting about Trek. What he
sees as a problem with Trek is that it's very insular. Enterprise only
draws on other Trek. A show like Babylon 5 truly did something different
because not only did it draw on other scifi, but also Lord of the Rings,
Arthurian legend, other mythologies, The Prisoner, literature, and a whole
bunch of other stuff.
So, let's ask ourselves, did HL start to suffer from the same problem?
Well, there were an awful lot of "Duncan did Something Good in the past,
and the person he pissed off is back to get him" episodes. So the
introduction of characters like Joe and the Watchers, Charlie, Methos,
etc. was a way to liven things up a bit.
And so too was the BREW. Convoluted, poorly executed, completely
ridiculous, yes, but perhaps it evolved from the same desire to keep the
current audience entertained.
> And the fifth season of B5 depressed the heck out of me. I'm not alone;
I didn't like 5 as much as I liked 3 & 4. But I think it's because the
dramatic tension had dropped considerably. After 3 wars, everything seemed
like a cake walk. :)
> If I ever meet Donald P. Bellisario I will not be responsible for
> my actions.
I'll hold him down, you pound him.
I think it was John said:
> >and always being excellent) is that a show runs for several seasons,
> >with a decent budget used to great effect by creative people
> >and when the investors decide to take their $ elsewhere, they give enough
> >notice so that the show's storylines can be wrapped up with care and
> >attention. Leaves an audience wanting more but always remembering it
> >fondly.
This would have been nice. The trick is knowing when to stop. There were
some good 6th season stories. I really liked the one with Joe & Methos,
and Claudia Christian. But I think if somehow everything could have been
wrapped up in season 5, I would have been much happier.
Marina:
> So true. And that happens so seldom that I can count instances of
> that on one hand. ("The Sentinel", maybe. But many fans are upset
> at the idea of Blair becoming a cop...
But you have to admit, everything was tied up very neatly. Whether or not
one *likes* how something ended, it did *end*, not just pause in
mid-thought (FK.) Ooh, MacGyver! That had a very simple ending, IIRC.
--Miracle
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Aragorn: "Not if we hold true to each other."
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63 Days. The Saga Continues at http://miraclescomps.blogspot.com
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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 18:14:36 +0200
From: Marina Bailey <tmar@sifl.iid.co.za>
Subject: Re: Highlander 5?
Miracle wrote:
>I was at DragonCon last weekend, and Peter David (Trek, comic,
>fantasy, scifi author) said something very interesting about Trek. What he
>sees as a problem with Trek is that it's very insular. Enterprise only
>draws on other Trek. A show like Babylon 5 truly did something different
>because not only did it draw on other scifi, but also Lord of the Rings,
>Arthurian legend, other mythologies, The Prisoner, literature, and a whole
>bunch of other stuff.
So true. I don't think Voyager had an original storyline in 7 years
of shows. With Enterprise, individual eps may be interesting, but
we know that the Federation gets founded in 2161, that there's a war
with the Romulans, etc. The arc is finished already.
DS9, in some ways, had it the best of all because they weren't
"constricted" by the Trek format. That sounds weird, but because
they weren't on a starship with a Federation-only agenda, they
could do stuff that the other shows couldn't. Voyager could probably
have done an ep like "Far Beyond the Stars", but it wouldn't have
meant as much as it did when it happened to the Emissary.
>So, let's ask ourselves, did HL start to suffer from the same problem?
>Well, there were an awful lot of "Duncan did Something Good in the past,
>and the person he pissed off is back to get him" episodes. So the
>introduction of characters like Joe and the Watchers, Charlie, Methos,
>etc. was a way to liven things up a bit.
I agree there. They livened things up without changing *who* the
show was about.
>I didn't like 5 as much as I liked 3 & 4. But I think it's because the
>dramatic tension had dropped considerably. After 3 wars, everything seemed
>like a cake walk. :)
True. Plus, why on Earth did they kill Marcus? If they were intent on
getting rid of somebody, why not Susan? She left anyway. And Byron?
Just a poor Marcus clone. (The 5th season is on TV here now for the
first time.)
>Donald P. Bellisario
>I'll hold him down, you pound him.
Deal. :)
>The trick is knowing when to stop.
Very few PTB know this, however.
>There were
>some good 6th season stories. I really liked the one with Joe & Methos,
>and Claudia Christian. But I think if somehow everything could have been
>wrapped up in season 5, I would have been much happier.
Wouldn't we all have. Plus, Richie wouldn't be dead.
>But you have to admit, everything was tied up very neatly. Whether or not
>one *likes* how something ended, it did *end*, not just pause in
>mid-thought (FK.) Ooh, MacGyver! That had a very simple ending, IIRC.
Yes; I suppose one can concede that any ending is better than none.
Although in some cases (QL for example) I would have preferred no
ending. Why do you say FK paused in mid-thought? Do you not think
Lacroix staked Nick at the end? (Really, he'd have been doing him
a favour by stopping his continual whining. And I'm a Knightie,
believe it or not! <g>) What happened at the end of MacGyver? I
only watched the first couple of seasons (because - and I suppose
this is related to this discussion - it evolved into something
other than what I'd signed on to watch).
- Marina.
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// the best revenge? Au contraire - living || R I C H I E >> \\
\\ forever is the best revenge." - Lacroix ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
//=====Marina Bailey====tmar@sifl.iid.co.za====|| \\
\\=============Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie============//
"There is a Daniel Jackson-shaped hole in that show." - My brother,
about the sixth season of Stargate SG-1.
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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:32:50 -0400
From: Ace!Miracle <ke731458@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu>
Subject: Re: D & P's power (was" Highlander 5?")
>>>ZK ... (The ugliest Q in the series)
Nina:
> Ooh--definitely Richie's psychedelic spazzing after whacking Culbraith
> in The Messenger.
I have two words for everyone: floating house.
--Miracle, running for her life
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63 Days. The Saga Continues at http://miraclescomps.blogspot.com
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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:04:59 -0400
From: KLZ <kzimmerman3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: D & P's power (was" Highlander 5?")
>
> Ooh--definitely Richie's psychedelic spazzing after whacking Culbraith in
> The Messenger.
>
The one that the production staff put to "Wipe-out!"?
No, the Daimler one was the ugliest. (Was too) Some are - um -
interesting, and graceful in a way; this one was just brutal and
horrible. The statues were unbelievably ugly, Dunkie-poo was in
the same positions, the statues blew up, etc. It was appropriately
brutal and ugly, just like K'Daimler and the story, and Anne's
"Kill him!" at the beginning of the fight. I thought they did a
good job on carrying the ugliness concept through from the
beginning.
The Ri - Ri - Ri - um - red-headed kid's Q was just embarrassing.
ZK (Hah. Whippersnappers. I remember when Wipe-out originally came
out. Harrumph)(climb, hill, rocks, snow, both ways)
kzimmerman3@cox.net
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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:27:56 -0400
From: KLZ <kzimmerman3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Highlander 5?
> (Interesting how these posts are going on and on, and we are
> basically agreeing with each other.) (Heheh.)
...which, IMGLO, is why shows often die so quickly or become
boring. Conflict is the underpinning of good drama. It's hard to
maintain a good level of conflict for long time. Everyone's
impulse is to resolve the conflict, but if it's removed, the show
loses its punch. IMGLO, it killed MASH. They had excellent
conflict between Frank/Hot Lips and Hawkeye/Trapper/wazzisname, and
Charles Winchester III could have provided a good amount of
conflict, but he was too much of a good guy, got along with Hot
Lips too quickly, and Hot Lips got along with the Swamp-dwellers
too well. It had nowhere to go.
:::: clacking dentures ::::
Does anyone remember "Rat Patrol"? Who the heck was in that one...
In any case, it could have gone on a lot longer than it did, imglo,
because there was an irreconcilable conflict between the main
characters simply because of the war. It made the times when they
were forced to work together all the more interesting.
HL had a number of good conflicts, especially the first few
seasons: the K'Immies and Duncan, Duncan and Wr - Ri - Rit - er -
the kid with the motorcycle, Duncan and Joe, Tessa and her
biological clock, Duncan and Duncan. Evil vs. good, not-so-evil
vs. not-so-good, very old vs. very young, Immortal vs. watcher,
motherhood instincts vs. childless love, peaceful life vs. warrior
upbringing. Season six, even with the Spinoff Girls, could have
been better, but Duncan changed from a peace-loving warrior to a
beige-clad shell. It was a logical outcome of the last ep. of S5,
but it either resolved or removed a lot of conflict, and therefore
a lot of interest.
ZK (Oy, I'm out of practice!)
kzimmerman3@cox.net
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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:30:50 -0400
From: KLZ <kzimmerman3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: PoRA
Judy Schneider slew some chocolate:
>
> Hey ZK!
>
> Can you PLEASE do me a huge favor and remind me what PoRA means? I've
> suffered from creative memory editing and that part of my memory was, well,
> creatively edited, and it's driving me NUTS! Well, nuttier, anyway.
>
Liser made it up. It's her fault. I forgot, btw, to put (tm)
after it. It means Person of Recent Arrival (tm). ;-D
ZK (She charges rent for that phrase)(You can pay me and I'll give
it to her) <eg>
kzimmerman@cox.net
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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:51:35 EDT
From: Lois Grubb <Loisgrubb@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Highlander 5?
In a message dated 09/06/2002 1:31:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
kzimmerman3@cox.net writes:
> :::: clacking dentures ::::
>
> Does anyone remember "Rat Patrol"? Who the heck was in that one...
::::sliding cane under Zeek's rocker::::
Christopher George and Hans Gudegast (sp)...played German Lt., actor had to
change his name after he played the character who killed the baby chimp in
one of the Planet of the Apes movies...can't remember what he changed it to,
but he plays in one of the soaps, been there for a long time now.
Lois<---has own CRS problems <g>
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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:01:01 EDT
From: Highlandmg@aol.com
Subject: Re: Highlander 5?
oHH RAT PATROL
Ohh I loved that show
You know I still have those on vhs taped off tv.. Christopher George as Sgt
Sam Troy ,,,But I loved the guy that played Moffit ... Gary Raymond as Sgt
Jack Moffit
Lawrence P. Casey as Prv. Mark Hitchcock Justin Tarr as Prv Tully Pettigrew
Hans Deitrich as Capt Hauptmann..
I know that Christopher George died. I know that Hans Dietrich is in some tv
soap and has been in the news. I have no idea what the others are doing.
Mary
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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:16:48 -0400
From: Elaine Nicol <ElaineN@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Highlander 5?
>>
Um, no. Having Sam never go home was not, to most fans' minds,
satisfactory. Apparently at a con they held just after that,
someone altered the ending to read, "Sam Beckett went home
and lived happily ever after", and the audience applauded. <<
I find the idea of Sam still leaping around to be very comforting, just as
I like the idea of Duncan Macleod out there fighting the good fight and
just not growing any older. I can just picture Macleod and Methos meeting
for a beer every now and then and talking over old times...gives me a very
warm feeling.
Elaine.
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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:43:04 EDT
From: Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Highlander 5?
In a message dated 09/06/2002 12:53:03 PM Central Daylight Time,
Loisgrubb@aol.com writes:
<<
Hans Gudegast (sp)...played German Lt., actor had to
change his name after he played the character who killed the baby chimp in
one of the Planet of the Apes movies...can't remember what he changed it to,
>>
Eric Braeden; he's still handsome.
Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
E Pluribus Meow -- In Cats We Trust
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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:46:06 -1000
From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Qs (was-- Re: D & P's power (was" Highlander 5?"))
ZK--
> No, the Daimler one was the ugliest. (Was too) Some are - um -
> interesting, and graceful in a way; this one was just brutal and
> horrible. The statues were unbelievably ugly, Dunkie-poo was in
> the same positions, the statues blew up, etc. It was appropriately
> brutal and ugly, just like K'Daimler and the story, and Anne's
> "Kill him!" at the beginning of the fight. I thought they did a
> good job on carrying the ugliness concept through from the
> beginning.
True--it was SUPPOSED to be ugly, to reflect the ugliness of who Daimler
was. That whole ep was ugly. Doc Anne being unusually (even for her)
bitchy & vacilating all over DM's heart at the end was ugliest of all.
> The Ri - Ri - Ri - um - red-headed kid's Q was just embarrassing.
DM's Qs often looked like an orgasm, as AP himself stated. RR's Qs looked
like he was wetting his pants.
Trivia challenge (dating way back to HL TAG & member Rennie, I think)--
ONLY 1 QUICKENING TOOK PLACE IN THESE LOCALES--name the Immies involved &
the ep.
a. DM's loft
b. amusement park
c. airplane hangar
d. theater
e. outdoor stadium
Nina (I'll post the answers tomorrow, in case anyone's stumped)
mac.westie@verizon.net
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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 16:36:43 EDT
From: Lois Grubb <Loisgrubb@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Highlander 5?
In a message dated 09/06/2002 3:44:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
BrandyKitt@aol.com writes:
> Eric Braeden; he's still handsome.
Yes!!! Now I remember, in an interview lo these many years ago, he said he
took the name of his home town, Braeden. And yes, he certainly is still a
hunk.......(sigh)
Lois<---has seen many hunks come and go, but few remain...he's one of them
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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 17:24:33 -0400
From: KLZ <kzimmerman3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Qs (was-- Re: D & P's power (was" Highlander 5?"))
>
> True--it was SUPPOSED to be ugly, to reflect the ugliness of who Daimler
> was. That whole ep was ugly. Doc Anne being unusually (even for her)
> bitchy & vacilating all over DM's heart at the end was ugliest of all.
She thought she could, but she couldn't, and she said why. In
context of what she'd seen and been through, it was completely
understandable. And who skipped town in Seacouver, leaving Anne to
grieve alone, thinking he was dead? He said he didn't want to drag
her into his world; (told Ritchie that, he did) but then he
vacillated and called her up, expecting her to just drop her career
and everything and run to Paris (although there are worse places to
run to. If he had the barge tied up in Pittsburgh, that might be
different).
Duncan was out of the Game for years when he met Tessa. He didn't
even have a butterknife tucked away in that fetching knit cap when
he was running from - um - Kuyler? the day he met Tessa. They
dated for three years before he told her, and then he told her
alone, in his own time, letting her see the reality of it.
Considering Tessa's reaction to Connor and Slan in The Gathering,
he never told her about The Game until Connor glared at him (I'd
tell too if he glared at me). So she had 9 years to become
acclimated to Duncan and the concept of immortality before the
shock came.
In comparison, Anne met this guy who told her nothing about
himself, went nuts and pulled a sword and fought thin air, grumped
at her when she looked up his medical records (or lack thereof),
she got shot at every time she was with him, and then he had a
horrendous battle with some guy in a theater and took a dive off
the balcony and ended up dead on the seats below. Personally, I
cut her some slack when she changed her mind at the end of - um -
Mortal Sins?
ZK
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