HIGHLA-L Digest - 4 Aug 2002 to 5 Aug 2002 (#2002-117)
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Topics of the day:
1. The Void ... Amanda Tapping interview (2)
2. Farscape & HL--compare & contrast (was-- Re: The Void)
3. DVD's
4. A new guy in town :)
5. Stargate spoilers - note no actual spoilers, just discussing (2)
6. OT but gotta share (2)
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Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:26:33 -1000
From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: The Void ... Amanda Tapping interview
Marina--
> (Begging your forgiveness, Nina! BTW, regarding your other
> post... I'm allergic to cats.)
Oh, sorry. Carry on, then.
ZK (on AP's wardrobe)--
>Nope. One of those sickening yellow and green shirts that his
>aunts keep giving him.
Well, the old bats can't live forever.
Nina
mac.westie@verizon.net
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Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:41:03 -1000
From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
Subject: Farscape & HL--compare & contrast (was-- Re: The Void)
1812/Debbie--
> For me the beauty of Farscape has always been that it is an ensemble
> show, even with all the cast changes. Granted Crighton is the lead
> character but he would be nothing without the others and that's how
> the writers write it and that's how it is directed and produced. The
> makers of Highlander:TS never learned how to do that.
TPTB pretty much stuck to the loner premise as set out in HL1. DM certainly
had his share of pals, but it's hard to stay buddy-buddy w/ folks that one's
undeniable creed says will die--quite possibly at your own hand, unless of
course they kill you first. (Duck, Richie, duck!) HL was clearly DM's
show, while Farscape merely uses Crichton for the human perspective--to show
just how wacky all the aliens really are.
ZK--
>>>I just haven't been able to get into a series to the obsession
level since HL. I think it spoiled me for the rest of TV. I
keep comparing everything to HL: "Oh, yeah, they did that in
[insert name of ep] and it was better cuz..." >>
Classic Trek did it for me, though I was far too young back then to realize
how special the obsession experience is. Then, after a VERY long drought,
Highlander. Now, thankfully, Farscape. I enjoy other genre shows now, but
none grabs me on all levels. And "regular" non-genre shows, while I follow
a few as time permits, don't come close to fully engaging me. (Probably the
only "must-see TV" for me that isn't genre would be West Wing.)
[I really don't think there are any Farscape S4 spoilers below--just general
comments on the show.]
Farscape works the brain, big-time. It drops hints that pay-off a whole
season later; there is terrific continuity, IF one can keep up. It's
crazed, infuriating, & just plain _hard_ to get; once you get half way
there, it all turns on a dime. The jaw just STAYS in the dropped position.
Anyone who says she fully understands Farscape is a liar or a fool. HL
aspired to all that; the well-researched historical flashbacks, DM's
timeline, the usual adherance to canon (HL:Endgame be damned), etc. created
a strange yet coherent universe for fans to explore. (As fanfic writers can
attest.) Neither show bothers to show & tell us everything that happens to
the characters & instead expects/allows us to fill in blanks. (As fanfic
writer can ALSO attest.)
Farscape fires the imagination like no other sci-fi show. Its far-flung
universe is the bizarre place it should be; its aliens are just that--not
humans in masks. HL tantalized w/ elegant sword fights to the death, plus
immortality--something that sounds good at 1st but clearly has a huge
downside.
Farscape exhausts the emotions. The characters care for each other & make
the viewer care, too. The puppets give & take w/ nearly as much physicality
as the actors; there's a brief but unforgettable shot near the end of season
3, of John & Pilot leaning in to touch foreheads, that conveys an amazing
pathos. Even the living ship & her wayward progeny inspire concern, in a
hostile universe FULL of nastiness. And, the villains are delicious--so
integral & terrific that TPTB (usually) can't bear to dispose of them! HL
(& especially AP) knew how to tap into viewer emotions, making us care
beyond reason for DM, RR, Tessa, Joe, & even Amanda & Methos (& scores of
1-ep characters) as they handled impossible situations w/ aplomb or at least
humor. HL's best villains--Horton, Kalas, St. Cloud, EDM, Kronos, etc.)
were worth cheering--& bringing back for return engagements.
And, last but by no means least--Farscape engages the libido; or, white-wash
it as "romantic streak." Ben Browder/John Crichton is as drool-worthy as
they come; as a vegetarian, I give myself special dispensation to adore what
he does for leather pants, & that certain jacket.... Claudia Black's Aeryn
Sun is equally awesome. (And the "equal" part is quite real on Farscape--HL
could have done a bit better there.) The J/A ship is legendary; will
they/won't they/please, can I watch? HL had AP, & it doesn't get better
than that in the drool dept.--shirtless, in/out of the tub, flashing his
undies, jogging, working out, performing a breathtaking kata, making
passionate or giggly love, or merely reading a book or walking across the
room.... His Tessa & Amanda relationships (plus all the rest) were
mesmerizing, if doomed to break our hearts, & both Alexandra Vandernoot &
Elizabeth Gracen added immeasurably to the show as a whole.
Whew--that got long. Anyway, it takes A LOT to fully engage the fandom
obsession, at least for me. Most shows--even the "hot" genre shows--aren't
going for that; they churn out OK eps that can be watched, enjoyed, &
forgotten. HL created an intriguing world for fans to visit, & so does
Farscape.
Nina
mac.westie@verizon.net
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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:09:57 +0200
From: Marina Bailey <tmar@sifl.iid.co.za>
Subject: Re: The Void ... Amanda Tapping interview
Nina wrote:
>Oh, sorry. Carry on, then.
I will remind you that you said that the next time the fanfic
discussion is scheduled. :)
- Marina.
\\ "You've heard it said that living well is ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
// the best revenge? Au contraire - living || R I C H I E >> \\
\\ forever is the best revenge." - Lacroix ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
//=====Marina Bailey====tmar@sifl.iid.co.za====|| \\
\\=============Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie============//
"A starship also runs on loyalty to one man, and nothing can replace
it or him." - Spock to Kirk; TOS ("The Ultimate Computer")
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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:08:22 +0200
From: Marcin Migal <Marcin.Migal@centertel.pl>
Subject: Re: DVD's
thx :)
OIsen
>>> becky717@EARTHLINK.NET 2002/08/02 17:13 >>>
Right now, the Highlander store is selling them for I believe $129, and ran
a special at one time or another for $99.
As Sherri mentioned earlier, it looks like another distributor, Anchor Bay,
will also be selling them in the future, but I don't know for how much.
Becky
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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:10:59 +0200
From: Marcin Migal <Marcin.Migal@centertel.pl>
Subject: Re: A new guy in town :)
>>> becky717@EARTHLINK.NET 2002/08/02 17:28 >>>
>>SNIP<
>> Could You tell me the Duncan's history?
>> I know he was born in 1590. But how did he die, where did he get his sword,
>> and more stuff you could wrire me about him.
[cut]
>Hope that helps, but I know there is a "timeline" done somewhere on the
>internet of his "history"... if I find it I will post the address, but
>someone else here may know it offhand.
thxx a lot. I already got the link, but your info is much precious too.
(i dunno if I'll have time to visit the 'timeline link')
>Becky
Olsen
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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:34:00 +0200
From: Tarryn Zank <Zankt@nu.ac.za>
Subject: Re: Stargate spoilers - note no actual spoilers, just discussing
Couldn't remember exactly what the subject line was, but actually,
Marina, we have seen the 3rd season Stargate in SA, but you get them by
neferious means <snerk> so probably missed a season on our poor little
(hopeless) broadcaster! ;-)
We are probably some of the last people in the world to get anything
(unless of course it's a *must have* series like Survivor!! - no offense
to SUrvivor fans, I watch myself, and don't tell us who won, we're only ½
way through the Marquaesas series!!!!!!!!)
We have seen up to the end of season 3 of Stargate, not including
'Nemesis', and have only reached season 5 of Star Trek: Voyager, and
recently the 1st season of Farscape. Andromeda started this weekend, and
we are currently in the 5th season of Bab 5, and have only had 5 seasons
of X-Files (Marina - will speak to Lisa soon, and hopefully get the
details to you ASAP - not sure exactly how much she wanted, and forgot
you were doing it until you reminded me!! Naughty naughty.)
We never saw the ends of ST:DS9, or ST:TNG, Earth: FInal COnflict seems
to have vanished, and there were many many other good shows we never saw
hide or hare of. If a show is cancelled, especially after 1 or ½ a
season - we are guaranteed to get it! Luckily for me, we had a
Highlander fan on SABC, or else they had been delaying showing them and
had to return them soon, for although we were at one stage many years
behind, we did get Highlander non-stop from season 3-6 (minus AAA so
Richie still lives in SA!!)
SO for those of you who don't manage to see a season till re-runs, and
only have to wait till next year to know what happens, take pity on us
down SOuth, who sometimes have to wait years for the return of a
favourite. Think about this - when Buffy and Angel used to do
crossovers, we had to wait months to see the 1st or 2nd half, as they
are screened consecutively, not concurrently (ooooh, big words). We ahve
jsut concluded season 3 Angel, and are about to start season 6.
Tarryn
(PS yes I did get your e-mail, but have been really busy....)
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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:46:51 +0200
From: Marina Bailey <tmar@sifl.iid.co.za>
Subject: Re: Stargate spoilers - note no actual spoilers, just discussing
Tarryn wrote:
>Couldn't remember exactly what the subject line was, but actually,
>Marina, we have seen the 3rd season Stargate in SA, but you get them by
>neferious means <snerk> so probably missed a season on our poor little
>(hopeless) broadcaster! ;-)
Actually, I had just forgotten. Yes; you're right! I remember
because I had a problem taping "Maternal Insinct" and was glad
that I had it already. :)
>We are probably some of the last people in the world to get anything
>(unless of course it's a *must have* series like Survivor!!
Well, during apartheid science fiction was a big no-no on the
SABC because it advocated all sorts of 'dangerous' ideas. I
mean, when TPTB at the SABC caught on to Star Trek, they refused
to show any after the middle of the second season. Not to
mention "V" - remember, they showed them all LATE at night;
sometimes with like 4 a night, just to get it over with! Stupid
racist programmers (well, they were).
>We have seen up to the end of season 3 of Stargate, not including
>'Nemesis', and have only reached season 5 of Star Trek: Voyager, and
>recently the 1st season of Farscape.
Annoying, isn't it? Have pity on us. :)
>(Marina - will speak to Lisa soon, and hopefully get the
>details to you ASAP - not sure exactly how much she wanted, and forgot
>you were doing it until you reminded me!! Naughty naughty.)
Check. Email me from that other address of yours; that works.
>Think about this - when Buffy and Angel used to do
>crossovers, we had to wait months to see the 1st or 2nd half, as they
>are screened consecutively, not concurrently (ooooh, big words). We ahve
>jsut concluded season 3 Angel, and are about to start season 6.
Luckily, due to the fact that they are now on separate networks, there
is not much chance of any more crossovers. Which might annoy Buffy/Angel
'shippers, but makes us down here very happy. No more grinding of teeth
and waiting over 22 weeks to see the 'second' half of an ep...
(Richie lives in S.A. Nyah nyah. :-P )
- Marina.
\\ "You've heard it said that living well is ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
// the best revenge? Au contraire - living || R I C H I E >> \\
\\ forever is the best revenge." - Lacroix ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
//=====Marina Bailey====tmar@sifl.iid.co.za====|| \\
\\=============Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie============//
"A starship also runs on loyalty to one man, and nothing can replace
it or him." - Spock to Kirk; TOS ("The Ultimate Computer")
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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:51:16 EDT
From: Ashton7@aol.com
Subject: OT but gotta share
The SciFi Channel is promoting Leah's Stargate cartoons on the main page of
their website right now:
www.scifi.com
Annie
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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:05:21 -0400
From: L Cameron-Norfleet <cgliser@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: OT but gotta share
>The SciFi Channel is promoting Leah's Stargate cartoons on the main page of
>their website right now:
Wow! Congrats to Leah!
Liser
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Lisa Cameron-Norfleet ** cgliser@earthlink.net
--
Well that's like hypnotizing chickens. -Iggy Pop: Lust For Life
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