HIGHLA-L Digest - 18 Sep 2001 to 19 Sep 2001 (#2001-266)
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There are 4 messages totalling 188 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. More Reunion Photos...
2. Reply to a "Hatred" post.. (3)
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Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 08:25:22 EDT
From: Bizarro7@aol.com
Subject: Re: More Reunion Photos...
In a message dated 9/18/01 8:17:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
swnyg2000@yahoo.com writes:
<< Those photos were pretty cool. Did you get to talk to
anyone, or get any autographs?? >>
Oh yes. But for me, nothing can compare to getting a package left for me at
the front desk of the hotel--which had a personal note of thanks from Tracy
Scoggins--and the silver earrings she'd worn in COMES A HORSEMAN. "Cool" was
the word!
Leah CWPack
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Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 16:19:14 -0400
From: Dawn Lehman <USTADAWN@AOL.COM>
Subject: Reply to a "Hatred" post..
Forgive the cross posting. If you have already received this, then just
disregard, but I received a piece of mail today in which someone read a
message from Adrian Paul and concluded well, I'll let you read that below.
This is my message to all those out here that are still struggling with
HATRED over what happened last week. The incident was HORRIBLE and
despicable, but we must not let hate consume us.
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In a message dated 9/19/01 9:51:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
omahadeb@yahoo.com writes:
."Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but from what Mr. Paul was
saying, we *deserved* to suffer 5,000 casualties last week, because of
foreign aid and military actions the United States has taken part in in
the past. Frankly, that makes me sick.".
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
My response to the above statement:
I think you did read something else into that statement. I have read and re-
read both of Mr. Paul's messages and NOWHERE did I read or interpret that
he feels we deserve what happened to the 5,000+ casualties. I think he
feels that what happened was horrific and should NEVER happen, to ANYONE -
the US or other countries as well. VIOLENCE ONLY BEGETS VIOLENCE.
I too, thought like you do when this first happened, I told my husband that
I would volunteer to pull the trigger, and kill Bin Laden dead, but after
my emotions have calmed down a bit, I realize that annilation (?sp) is
exactly what a terrorist like Bin Laden wants to happen. He would love to
have the world go to war because the United States ran off half-cocked and
bombed the shit out of who they "thought" delivered unspeakable devestation
on New York. I am a Sunday School teacher and I had to remind my kids this
past weekend - which was A VERY HARD TO DO and believe me I almost choked
myself while I was saying it - but Bin Laden is a child of God too and no
matter how much we hate it, we should be praying not only for those poor
souls who lost family and friends but we should also pray for those
horrible terrorists as well. This was EXTREMELY hard to say to my kids and
equally hard to type on this message, but if I am a Christian and claim to
be one then I should live and behave as Christ told me to in order to be
one. I pray that these people will be brought to justice - as God would
have it - and also that they might truly see what they have done and ask
God for forgiveness. We will never see the day when we are asked for
forgiveness for what was done, but that part is really between individuals
and God.
I feel that if we proceed with this with hatred in our hearts, that doesn't
make us any better than the terrorists. Don't get me wrong, I WANT
RETRIBUTION TOO!, but I feel that we need to open our hearts and do what
God would want us to do, and God is not about hate.
I have many international friends and I am truly saddened by the fact that
some of my middle eastern friends can not walk down the street without
fearing someone will try to hurt them, spit on them, or even kill them. By
turning against anyone who is middle eastern or even those who look middle
eastern is terrorism also.
There has not been one day LITERALLY in which I have not cried about this
since this terrible thing happened, but all I can do is pray that our
President will open his heart and do what God tells him to do. If you are
familiar with the Old Testiment and even the New, you can see many, many
instances in which God went to war and helped his people
overcome "terrorism", etc. and I believe that he will do it again.
My hope, FOR MYSELF and others, is that if I were face to face with this
monster, or any other monster, that I would have the strength enough not to
pull the trigger - because BELIEVE ME that is exactly what I would want to
do (I am a Christian, but I am also human) but rather let those in charge
deliver the punishment.
I have always loved the song entitled "Fragile" by Sing... However, until
this past week, I never really felt the words. Read the lyrics and try to
feel them as well:
If Blood will flow
And flesh and steel are one
Drying in the color of the evening sun
Tomorrow's rain will wash it's stains away
There's something in our minds will always stay
Perhaps this final act was meant
To conjure livetime's argument
Nothing comes from violence
Nothing ever could
For all us born beneath that angry star
Lest we forget how fragile we are
On and on the rain will fall
Like tears from the stars like tears from the stars
On and on the rain will see
How fragile we are how fragile we are......
How fragile we are....
The above lyrics is what I feel Mr. Paul meant in his two messages. I felt
that he was very hurt by what happened and it was sensless, but violence
begetting violence will only lead to more violence. NOTHING ever comes
from violence but more violence! Yes, something needs to be done, I and
Mr. Paul - I feel - as well as many others, hope that retribution is not
attained through more sensless violence.
If I have made some of you upset or angry at what I have said, I am sorry.
Fortunately, in the US we have the freedom of speech and we are all welcome
to have our own opinions. This is one thing that we value as citizens of
the USA.
Let's all hope and pray that THE RIGHT thing is done in this situation.
Peace to you all.......
USTADAWN
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Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 18:13:20 -0400
From: mousehounde <mousehounde@datalinkc.com>
Subject: Re: Reply to a "Hatred" post..
This is very interesting. However, I am not sure why you are posting your
replies 'here' to a discussion that is ongoing on another list. Not only
that, you have snipped, quoted and given the email of a person who may or
may not be on this list. If that person is not onlist, they cannot defend
their post or reply to any comments it may generate unless you also intend
to forward posts off this list too?
mouse
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dawn Lehman" <USTADAWN@AOL.COM>
To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 4:19 PM
Subject: Reply to a "Hatred" post..
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Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 19:01:08 EDT
From: Dawn Lehman <USTADAWN@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Reply to a "Hatred" post..
To all of you who have replied, Thank you. =A0
I may have posted my reply too hastily. =A0I belong to soooo many lists that=
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is very easy to post to a wrong list. =A0I have received hundreds of E-Mails=
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as I am sure MANY of us have, this past week and some of the responses have=20
really been scarey .
I apologize if I broke the rules of netikette; that was not my intent. =A0I=20=
was=20
simply responding to an E-Mailing that I received from a list. =A0The origin=
al=20
list is also a Highlander List and the discussion regarding Adrian Paul's=20
messages are ongoing as we speak. =A0Because this list is also a Highlander=20
List, and many people visit both lists, it too was sent my response. =A0This=
is=20
why my message was sent to this list.=20
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