HIGHLA-L Digest - 17 Jan 2001 to 18 Jan 2001 - Special issue
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There are 20 messages totalling 862 lines in this issue.
Topics in this special issue:
1. Jim Byrnes on Vicky Gabereau (2)
2. Animated Methos Chronicles (3)
3. Christopher Lambert's new website
4. HL:EG box office (3)
5. Endgame again: SPOILERS (2)
6. HL:EG box office--SPOILER (2)
7. Animated Methos Chronicles--What about CONNOR!!??
8. Greetings and Question about Endgame (4)
9. Animated Methos Chronicles (HL:EG spoilers) (2)
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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 20:02:32 -0800
From: "M. Vrzoc" <A_Boleyn@excite.com>
Subject: Jim Byrnes on Vicky Gabereau
It was great to see Jim Byrnes live (more or less) on today's (Wed Jan 17)
installment of Vicki Gabereau. Along with playing All Over You for an
appreciative audience from his Juno award winning That River, JB held out
the hope of *2* new albums he's working on. On a personal note, I'd be
thrilled to see the album he was talking about being in post-production in
Jan/Feb of 2000 however ...
As well, he mentioned his recent trip to Amsterdam (many thanks Jette for
the account on the ng) to celebrate the 25th anniversary of a friend's
restaurant/club there. Also mentioned attending Long John Landry's 60th
birthday celebration in Vancouver recently.
And on a prurient note, the man looked terrifically attractive, per usual.
:)
M. Vrzoc
A_Boleyn@excite.com
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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 23:57:34 EST
From: Dotiran@aol.com
Subject: Animated Methos Chronicles
Writing on the ATH board, Gillian Horvath confirmed that this is for real.
<A HREF="http://www.methos.org/news/methos-2001-01-16.html">methos.org...
Home</A>
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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 23:59:06 EST
From: Dotiran@aol.com
Subject: Christopher Lambert's new website
The old website folded.
Christopher Lambert's new website is here:
<A HREF="http://www.starzplanet.com/christopherlambert">New CL website</A>
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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 21:12:25 -0800
From: Sherry Kirkvold <kirkvold@islandnet.com>
Subject: Re: Jim Byrnes on Vicky Gabereau
>restaurant/club there. Also mentioned attending Long John Landry's 60th
>birthday celebration in Vancouver recently.
That would be Long John Baldry
Cheers!
Sherry
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 00:25:56 EST
From: Bizarro7@aol.com
Subject: Re: Animated Methos Chronicles
I would've animated him a bit cuter than that. For one thing, you don't
exaggerate the eyes over *that* nose in size! But that's just me.
Leah CWPack
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:02:59 +0200
From: Tarryn Zank <Zankt@nu.ac.za>
Subject: Re: HL:EG box office
Just noting the box office, and wondering how my measly few tickets would boost it. :-)
Wondering also: Do you think they will re-release the first movie on it's 20th Anniversary as many classics have been doing lately?? I know I would be there a few times! I never saw it on the big screen (as I'm sure many other fans on this list didn't), and would love to have the chance to do so. Is it possible? WOuld we need to campaign?
Tarryn
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:28:03 +0200
From: Tarryn Zank <Zankt@nu.ac.za>
Subject: Endgame again: SPOILERS
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Okay, went again last night armed with all the tidbits to look for that you all gave me.
Spotted McAsh, <Yay!> and wondering what the WWF crowd thought of Edge's brief appearance. <do we really care?>
The necklace. I think Duncan was thinking about what he was about to do before he gave her the necklace (in the rain). She ran out with it still on, remember, unless she pulled it off in another of the missing scenes. And yes, she was wearing it under the mess of a necklace after the scene in the hotel room. I never saw if it was there before <give me break, I wasn't watching her!> but it would have been difficult to get it under that other thing afterwards.
Rachel. Was she supposed to be 3 when Connor found her in HL1?? I seem to remember her being older, but the credits (in Endgame) listed an actress for playing her at 3. <don't you jsut want to scream, "Don't answer the phone!". You'd think she would have more sense after all these years>
Heather. I caught the accent, or lack thereof. What I want to know is... when was Ramirez supposed to have visited them?? They haven't tried to hide the fact that she is older, but yet, if Ramirez had already been around, then Connor would recognise Jacob as an Immie. This movie had 1555 as the date C's mother died, which is actually pretty incorrect, considering he died in 1518, supposedly at the age of 18. How young was she when she 'had' him??
And no, I didn't catch the "What are you?" from the priest. All I heard was a gurgle.
As for Connor's curse... Heather lived to a ripe old age, Duncan was still around (surely Kell would've caught him before this), Methos is still going.. <didn't you love the implication that they knew each other despite the DM connection? C'mon fanfic writers!>
DM in the Sanctuary.... Someone asked me how an immortal could have his legs fall asleep on him, and I said it was one of the natural bodily things not affected by their 'magic' just like hair growing etc.. Any confirmations on this??
In the graveyard.... Does Connor like hanging around his own grave for days waiting for people to show up? Or do we just presume Methos knew all along he was alive, and told him they were rescuing DM and taking him to the cemtery? Was that Gaelic they were speaking? Did they get it right?
Finally, until I think of more... the credits. Why was there no "Bonnie Portmore" listed? I counted only 9 Adrians including AP, and what is his brother's name, 'cos I didn't spot a Hewitt in the bunch.
And I did a good HL deed yesterday. I was approached outside the cinema by someone who wanted to know what "Bonnie Portmore" was called and who sang it, after hearing me belt it out at the top of my (not-so-good) voice during the end credits. Considering he looked like he was more suited to Snoop Doggy-Dog type music I felt chuffed. We pulled another one in with us! yay!
Tarryn
(trying to figure out who I can convince to go with me...)
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 07:18:22 -0500
From: Elaine Nicol <ElaineN@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: HL:EG box office
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reason to think oversees audiences will embrace it any more than US
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I wouldn't be sure about that, all of the others were bigger hits in Europe
than they were in the US. Of course the main problem is that if they don't
actually release in the UK that is going to effect the figures badly as the
UK and Germany were their biggest areas.
Elaine.
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:53:53 EST
From: Lance Aldridge <GPrimeCEO@aol.com>
Subject: Re: HL:EG box office--SPOILER
In a message dated 1/17/01 6:46:50 PM Central Standard Time, geiger@maui.net
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> > As I've said, Endgame is the death toll for the franchise. TPTB will have
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> What does not bode well for YOU is your tiresome inability/refusal to follow
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> And, that's "death knell." Which in fact it may be, though not for the
> reason you give. A bad movie is a bad movie, no matter who lives or who
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Connor's death, and his beratement to make Duncan look good, is what left a
bad taste in mst true HL fan's mouths. We will not rest until this travesty
is rectified. The movie could have been much better if Connor had lived and
Duncan had been given a different story, if if we'd just been given a Connor
film with no Duncan.
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:57:21 EST
From: Lance Aldridge <GPrimeCEO@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Animated Methos Chronicles--What about CONNOR!!??
Too bad they couldn't give us a Connor series, animated or otherwise. that
really would win over the many fans they have lost with their butcher job.
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:58:25 EST
From: Lance Aldridge <GPrimeCEO@aol.com>
Subject: Re: HL:EG box office
In a message dated 1/17/01 7:27:14 PM Central Standard Time,
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> Well they don't *have* to rethink anything. But if they are ever of a mind
> to look back at the problems with Endgame, I think they need to look at the
> various issues and problems that resulted in the decision to edit the movie
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Starting with editing out Connor's fruitless death scene. It was horrid, a
true insult to genuine HL fans IMHO.
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 19:01:50 EST
From: Lance Aldridge <GPrimeCEO@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame
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construed by many as a threat. If you want to be clearly understood, then
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So they butchered the script as well as Connor.
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 19:08:25 EST
From: Lance Aldridge <GPrimeCEO@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame
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> >>Actually, we have met with tptb about the Connor issue and made
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MLK was called deranged and crazy, as was ghandi and Jesus Christ. I am
willing to go to the same lengths that they were to get Connor back among the
living. We must if the franchise is to go on.
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 19:17:35 EST
From: Dotiran@aol.com
Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame
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::::::batting eyelashes::::::but, but, I thought you said there were a
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:18:41 -0800
From: "R. Shelton" <rshelton@jps.net>
Subject: Re: HL:EG box office--SPOILER
At 6:53 PM -0500 01/18/2001, Lance Aldridge wrote:
>In a message dated 1/17/01 6:46:50 PM Central Standard Time, geiger@maui.net
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>bad taste in mst true HL fan's mouths. We will not rest until this travesty
At 6:58 PM -0500 01/18/2001, Lance Aldridge wrote:
>Starting with editing out Connor's fruitless death scene. It was horrid, a
>true insult to genuine HL fans IMHO.
Okay - I've stayed out of all this so far. But the Listowner has expressly
asked you et all to cease & desist w/the "True Fan" crap. Do you think you
could bear to follow the rules??
I consider myself a true/genuine fan as I've been a fan since the very
first movie, been on this list for 5 years or so & been to/worked numerous
conventions. But I don't necessarily agree w/your views & that doesn't
automatically make me less of a fan that you. So can you please follow the
rules like everyone else? I'm getting tired of reading this. And try
to remember
to use spoiler spaces - your previous post about a 'butcher job' w/o spaces
could be construed to be a spoiler.
Rachel
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"Dream as if you'll live forever; live as if
you'll die tomorrow. . ."
~ unknown~ HL IV: Endgame
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 19:35:09 -0500
From: jjswbt@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame
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>Connor must live again, and it bothers me that few
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No..mice are rodents. I am a whole different species.
>I ask that you join us and fight the good fight. Justice must be done.
Sorry...I'm having trouble equating "avenging" the death of a fictional character in a bad B-movie to anything remotely called "the good fight"...let alone "justice".
>I spoke clearly. If TPTB don't comply, the Consortium can be very
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Unforgiving? You want unforgiving? I still haven't forgiven TPTB for writing Adam out of "Bonanza". (And don't tell me it was because Pernell Roberts wanted to move on.) In a long life of TV and movie viewing, there will always be some decisions that you hate. Best to learn to live with them...forming Consortiums (Consortia?) can be very draining after the first dozen or so.
>So they butchered the script as well as Connor.
I don't remember any butchering...although it may have been cut for US consumption.
Wendy(Does that make CL a ham?)
Fairy Killer
jjswbt@earthlink.net
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 19:36:40 -0500
From: Jen Wade <jenwade@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Animated Methos Chronicles (HL:EG spoilers)
Lance and his menagerie babbled....
> Too bad they couldn't give us a Connor series, animated or otherwise.
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I dunno - I think they'd run out of plots for a headless Immie pretty darn
quick. I mean, it might be amusing to watch his body bumble around trying
to find his head for a *while*, but then what? Connor's headless body goes
to Disneyland? Solves pesky murders in a small Maine town? Ooh! Maybe
during sweeps there could be a touching and heartfelt episode where he meets
up with Kell's headless body and they forgive one another. Awww. <sniff>
Jen
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It's not about who's right or wrong. No denomination's
nailed it yet, 'cause they're all too self-righteous to
realize that it doesn't matter what you have faith in, as
long as you have faith.
- Serendipity, Dogma
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:40:23 -0600
From: LadyKaren <angelmyst@ntsource.com>
Subject: Re: Animated Methos Chronicles (HL:EG spoilers)
At 07:36 PM 1/18/01 -0500, Jen wrote and I just couldn't snip sorry:
>Lance and his menagerie babbled....
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>to Disneyland? Solves pesky murders in a small Maine town? Ooh! Maybe
>during sweeps there could be a touching and heartfelt episode where he meets
>up with Kell's headless body and they forgive one another. Awww. <sniff>
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Jen this is the biggest rolling on the floor tears in my eyes can't stop
can't breath laugh I've had in ages I love it!
Kat
LadyKaren aka AngelMyst {CGW} Chief of the Geebie Wannabes
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:55:05 -1000
From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net>
Subject: Re: Animated Methos Chronicles
Dorothy--
> Writing on the ATH board, Gillian Horvath confirmed that this is for real.
> <A HREF="http://www.methos.org/news/methos-2001-01-16.html">methos.org...
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So much for my prayers it was a joke.
Did GH say if she's involved in writing for this? Or who is?
Nina
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:24:18 -1000
From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net>
Subject: Re: Endgame again: SPOILERS
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>and wondering what the WWF crowd thought of Edge's brief appearance. <do we
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Well, this we thinks it's indicative of TPTB's (whoever the hell they really
were as to the flick) incredibly poor focus.
> Heather. I caught the accent, or lack thereof. What I want to know is...
when was >Ramirez supposed to have visited them?? They haven't tried to hide
the fact that >she is older, but yet, if Ramirez had already been around,
then Connor would >recognise Jacob as an Immie. This movie had 1555 as the
date C's mother died, >which is actually pretty incorrect, considering he
died in 1518, supposedly at the
>age of 18. How young was she when she 'had' him??
I think you're off by 18 yrs. HL1 has Connor born in 1518, being 18 yrs.
old (ha!) when he had his 1st death & was banished in 1536. Ramirez found
him 5 years later. (So, yes, C should have realized K was immortal or
pre-immortal or whatever, & the cottage scene does include a buzz when the
door's bashed in.) Among other things, HL:EG's 1555 date for the FB makes
Heather about 35 then (assuming she was 20ish in 1541) & Caolin in her 60's
(assuming she was in her 30's when she found C in 1518 in a cabbage patch or
wherever). That all seems fine to me.
> And no, I didn't catch the "What are you?" from the priest. All I heard
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Only the workprint has the dialogue.
>Methos is still going.. <didn't you love the implication that they knew
each other >despite the DM connection? C'mon fanfic writers!>
Actually, a relationship anywhere near friendship/sharing confidences for
Methos & Connor seems ludicrously unlikely to me. Like mixing olive oil &
ice water.
> DM in the Sanctuary.... Someone asked me how an immortal could have his
legs >fall asleep on him, and I said it was one of the natural bodily things
not affected by >their 'magic' just like hair growing etc.. Any
confirmations on this??
I assumed it was just the drugs. We saw DM loopy from morphine in Deadly
Medicine, so Immies ARE affected by drugs, though apparently not as much or
as long as mortals would be. But, the Watchers had experience dealing w/
Immies here & would have gotten the drugs right.
> In the graveyard.... Does Connor like hanging around his own grave for
days
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along he > was alive, and told him they were rescuing DM and taking him to
the cemtery?
There's no indication _why_ C was there. Maybe he & Kell had some sort of
rendezvous. It was D who demanded M take him to the cemetery, so it's hard
to see how Methos could have planned ahead or secretly contacted C to get
him there, since D was w/ him on the long drive to Connecticut.
>and what is his brother's name
Robert. He's there.
Nina
geiger@maui.net
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