HIGHLA-L Digest - 10 Jan 2004 to 11 Jan 2004 (#2004-13)
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Topics of the day:
1. Endgame Version Question (13)
2. Season Two DVD set commentary: An Eye for an Eye
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 06:54:29 -0800
From: Stephen Bryce <sibryce@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Endgame Version Question
I need to point out some errors in that response.
> > a) the Methos line about liberating the sword from Lost and Found
>
>
> yes. And so did the theater/movie version
No, the original version didn't have that line. I remember that
causing a slight plot hole in that version.
> > b) the later scene where Joe kills the Renegade Watcher/sniper at
> the
> > Duncan/Connor fight?
> >
>
>
> no, but the alternate version on the DVD had it
This sort of true; the standard extended cut has this scene, but it's
context has been totally altered to the middle of the Duncan/Kell fight
(which makes no sense at all).
> > c) The moprhing face between Connor and Duncan
>
>
> yes. blech
The extended cut doesn't have this, but I don't remember off hand if
the workprint does or not (though I doubt it, since it was a VERY last
minute afterthought, IIRC).
> > d) the 'Kate lives' finale
> >
>
> both alternate versions had that but not the movie version
The workprint doesn't have this, but we do see Kate being ordered out
during the dinner massacre, so she survives but Duncan doesn't seem
aware of it.
Steve
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 15:51:05 -0000
From: Jette Goldie <jette@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Endgame Version Question
> I need to point out some errors in that response.
>
> > > a) the Methos line about liberating the sword from Lost and Found
> >
> >
> > yes. And so did the theater/movie version
>
> No, the original version didn't have that line. I remember that
> causing a slight plot hole in that version.
Are you sure? I saw the movie in Vancouver when it came
out and I'm sure I heard that line. I usually have a fairly
good memory for dialogue (some folks have photographic
memories - mine is a tape recorder, able to quote dialogue
from tv shows seen 25 years ago and not seen since _verbatim_)
Jette
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 16:12:09 -0000
From: "a.j.mosby" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Endgame Version Question
> > No, the original version didn't have that line. I remember that
> > causing a slight plot hole in that version.
>
>
> Are you sure? I saw the movie in Vancouver when it came
> out and I'm sure I heard that line. I usually have a fairly
> good memory for dialogue (some folks have photographic
> memories - mine is a tape recorder, able to quote dialogue
> from tv shows seen 25 years ago and not seen since _verbatim_)
> Jette
Nope. I do remember that NOT being in the version I saw with John Bierly and
the Bar-B-Con crowd. I think it was in the workprint and possibly the DVD
and finally explained how Duncan got the sword back.
This was definitely a mismatch version of what I'd seen to date. For
instance Jin Kae is still killed by Kell (rather than suicide) yet he starts
to jump up to avoid the confrontation (but doesn't survive).
Still a deeply flawed film, but this version did seem to flow a little
better. Maybe it's just a while since I've watched it.
John
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 12:53:06 EST
From: Dotiran@aol.com
Subject: Re: Endgame Version Question
>> I saw the movie in Vancouver when it came
out and I'm sure I heard that line.=A0
And I saw the movie over 20 times the weekend it came out and I could swear=20
it was in there.
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 13:04:49 -0500
From: JoAnne Briere <jojoann@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Endgame Version Question
20 times ?
really ?
What did you see in that movie that made you go back ? the same week-end ?
Dumfounded Johanne
At 12:53 PM 11/01/2004 -0500, Dotiran@aol.com wrote:
> >> I saw the movie in Vancouver when it came
>out and I'm sure I heard that line.
>
>And I saw the movie over 20 times the weekend it came out and I could swear
>it was in there.
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 13:29:27 -0500
From: kageorge <kageorge@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Endgame Version Question
Jette Goldie wrote:
>>I need to point out some errors in that response.
>>
>>
>>
>>>>a) the Methos line about liberating the sword from Lost and Found
>>>>
>>>>
>>>yes. And so did the theater/movie version
>>>
>>>
>>No, the original version didn't have that line. I remember that
>>causing a slight plot hole in that version.
>>
>>
>
>
>Are you sure? I saw the movie in Vancouver when it came
>out and I'm sure I heard that line. I usually have a fairly
>good memory for dialogue (some folks have photographic
>memories - mine is a tape recorder, able to quote dialogue
>from tv shows seen 25 years ago and not seen since _verbatim_)
>
>
I'm fairly certain that scene was abbreviated in the theatre release,
especially the line where Duncan says, "There's blood on it!", and
Methos replies, "What? Did you think it was easy?" *That* part I'm
sure wasn't included. I'm not absolutely certain whether the
"liberated" line was in the theatre version.
MacGeorge
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 18:37:17 -0000
From: Jette Goldie <jette@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Endgame Version Question
> 20 times ?
>
> really ?
>
> What did you see in that movie that made you go back ? the same week-end ?
>
> Dumfounded Johanne
I'm not Dotiran, but I think I can give you a hint - it has the
initials AP ;-)
Jette Goldie
jette@blueyonder.co.uk
"If you don't care where you are, then you aren't lost"
http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
>
> At 12:53 PM 11/01/2004 -0500, Dotiran@aol.com wrote:
> > >> I saw the movie in Vancouver when it came
> >out and I'm sure I heard that line.
> >
> >And I saw the movie over 20 times the weekend it came out and I could
swear
> >it was in there.
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 18:40:19 -0000
From: "a.j.mosby" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Endgame Version Question
Associated Producer????
Geez. Who knew?
;)
John
> I'm not Dotiran, but I think I can give you a hint - it has the
> initials AP ;-)
>
> Jette Goldie
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 11:15:24 -0800
From: FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Endgame Version Question
LOLOL....I know, I know! It has the intials AP and
it's amazingly handsome and plays the lead immie :)
Mel, dodging....Does this list also have a thwapper?
(If not, nevermind)
---
"a.j.mosby" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com> wrote:
> Associated Producer????
>
> Geez. Who knew?
>
> ;)
> John
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 11:15:50 -0800
From: FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Endgame Version Question
PS, I know you were kidding, John :) Just kidding
around myself.
Mel
>
> ;)
> John
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 15:31:45 EST
From: Dotiran@aol.com
Subject: Re: Endgame Version Question
In a message dated 1/11/2004 1:05:14 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
jojoann@sympatico.ca writes:
> 20 times ?
>
> really ?
>
> What did you see in that movie that made you go back ? the same week-end
Ok. here is the way it was.
It has to do with the wonderful "Bar-b-con" many of us [as online friends for
many years] held at [Big] John Bierly's home in southern Indiana. People came
from all over. We had waited quite literally years for this movie. We had
talked about it on Holyground [we're all Rysher refugees] togther. We wanted to
see it together. We had a weekend blast.I know I had been saving $$$ for this
weekend for a long time. I have saved the ticket stubs. We went to two
matinees and an evening show Friday and Saturday and Sunday. The evening show on
Sunday I saw here at home after driving back. So that was 9 the first weekend.
Then I went a couple times during the week and even took my husband once :).
The following weekend I did the same three a day thing. So yes, I saw the movie
about 20 times the first week.
Why? It is not that we were not critical [in fact, our entire row said
"between Connor and ME" each time Duncan said it incorrectly in the movie :). And
you'd have to be blind not to see the editing was a hatchet job.
But as for me, it was both the fun of being with other fans who truly
*understood* why we had waited so long and were so excited, AND seeing Adrian Paul on
the big screen. The scene in the cemetery reduces me to drooling babble he
looks so beautiful. I admit to being rabidly Adrian obsessed. Should he be in
any other movie on the big screen , HL or not, I'll be there 20 times too. [I
drove all the way to Kalamazoo, Michigan by myself to see the limited release of
Dead Men Can't Dance and remain one of the very few people who have seen that
one in a theater :)]
I didn't like Kell. Hated the last supper scene. I did like Faith but not the
hair. I wanted her to live. [Prefer the DVD ending] I don't like bouncing
heads. Some of the fight scenes were inspired especially the one with Jin Ke. The
music was fabulous. By the time I left the theater Sunday I had the theme
memorized. Can still hum it. There was more that I liked than disliked. So much
potential. So much disappointment. But, Adrian did not/does not disappoint :)
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:44:27 -0000
From: "a.j.mosby" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Endgame Version Question
One thing I do remember of that weekend was the incredible, nay, awesome
electric storm we had on the Saturday night. I'd left my camera at the
hotel, but for about 90 minutes we were treated to the biggest real-life
light-show I've seen since Highlander first debuted - the sort of conditions
that the cinematic budget simply wouldn't have been able to beat.
Some were inside watching the film again, but outside I think we got our
money's worth too! :)
John
----- Original Message -----
From: <Dotiran@aol.com>
To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [HL] Endgame Version Question
> In a message dated 1/11/2004 1:05:14 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
> jojoann@sympatico.ca writes:
>
> > 20 times ?
> >
> > really ?
> >
> > What did you see in that movie that made you go back ? the same week-end
>
> Ok. here is the way it was.
> It has to do with the wonderful "Bar-b-con" many of us [as online friends
for
> many years] held at [Big] John Bierly's home in southern Indiana. People
came
> from all over. We had waited quite literally years for this movie. We had
> talked about it on Holyground [we're all Rysher refugees] togther. We
wanted to
> see it together. We had a weekend blast.I know I had been saving $$$ for
this
> weekend for a long time. I have saved the ticket stubs. We went to two
> matinees and an evening show Friday and Saturday and Sunday. The evening
show on
> Sunday I saw here at home after driving back. So that was 9 the first
weekend.
> Then I went a couple times during the week and even took my husband once
:).
> The following weekend I did the same three a day thing. So yes, I saw the
movie
> about 20 times the first week.
>
> Why? It is not that we were not critical [in fact, our entire row said
> "between Connor and ME" each time Duncan said it incorrectly in the movie
:). And
> you'd have to be blind not to see the editing was a hatchet job.
>
> But as for me, it was both the fun of being with other fans who truly
> *understood* why we had waited so long and were so excited, AND seeing
Adrian Paul on
> the big screen. The scene in the cemetery reduces me to drooling babble he
> looks so beautiful. I admit to being rabidly Adrian obsessed. Should he be
in
> any other movie on the big screen , HL or not, I'll be there 20 times too.
[I
> drove all the way to Kalamazoo, Michigan by myself to see the limited
release of
> Dead Men Can't Dance and remain one of the very few people who have seen
that
> one in a theater :)]
>
> I didn't like Kell. Hated the last supper scene. I did like Faith but not
the
> hair. I wanted her to live. [Prefer the DVD ending] I don't like bouncing
> heads. Some of the fight scenes were inspired especially the one with Jin
Ke. The
> music was fabulous. By the time I left the theater Sunday I had the theme
> memorized. Can still hum it. There was more that I liked than disliked. So
much
> potential. So much disappointment. But, Adrian did not/does not disappoint
:)
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 17:18:05 EST
From: lynnann Ward <LynnannCDC@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Season Two DVD set commentary: An Eye for an Eye
MacG
I just wanted to say I've enjoyed reading your commentary on the episodes.
It now strikes me that the reason I've always enjoyed the training scene on the
cliff (usually with a heartfelt sigh) is the tension between Mac and Richie
is eased by their apologies, and as Richie has said "Things were good."
lynnannCDC
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 21:53:21 -0500
From: Rebecca Wallace <717becky@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Endgame Version Question
on 01/11/2004 3:31 PM, Dotiran@aol.com at Dotiran@aol.com wrote:
<snip>
I admit to being rabidly Adrian obsessed. Should he be in
> any other movie on the big screen , HL or not, I'll be there 20 times too. [I
> drove all the way to Kalamazoo, Michigan by myself to see the limited release
> of
> Dead Men Can't Dance and remain one of the very few people who have seen that
> one in a theater :)]
>
I drove about 1hr15 min away to see DMCD in a theater, and met Trudy
(Holtram74) in the process, and saw Endgame 5 times in the theater (4 by
myself), and would do it all again, for the same reasons, Dorothy! :)
-Becky <Adrian on the big screen, a box of Sno Caps... life doesn't get much
better!>
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