There are 16 messages totalling 454 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Endgame (12) 2. The mysterous letter 'h' (3) 3. Reunion Charity Update ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:09:48 EST From: Dotiran@aol.com Subject: Re: Endgame In a message dated 12/30/2001 8:59:35 PM US Eastern Standard Time, diamonique@earthlink.net writes: > I think > those hocus pocus scenes were filmed for the movie if they were it just sadly deepens our understanding of the rift between Mirimax and the director because he did not film them and never intended them to be in *his* movie, nor were they scripted. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 18:30:34 -1000 From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net> Subject: Re: Endgame Jette-- > Endgame was actually better than most, > and he does *shine* in it Well, I agree w/ the 2nd part--AP shines in Endgame. But that's true of ALL his flicks--he's the best thing in them & usually the ONLY thing worth watching. The other thing true of all his flicks is that they're duds, critically & at the box office. An unfortunate result of his (&/or his people's) awesome ability to pick loser films is that generally speaking the viewing public has no clue who the hell he is. And, he's been knocking around quite a while now. And, his currently being stuck on a genre syndie that's mired at the bottom-rung of the ratings & films in Canada (where he remains out of sight/mind of Hollywood casting folks) probably just maintains this situation. He's got this big deal for projects w/ Lions Gate, but I, for one, am not at all impressed w/ Lions Gate--not by their entertainment products or their promotional efforts. Sandy-- >>>They had everything they needed to make a good movie. Not great, but good. Then they chopped it up until it made no sense and released the mess to the public. Another ugh! However, even if they had done a better editing job>>> Well, DPP themselves proved that the excuses made early on about editing being rushed & about being pressured by Miramax as to content really were crap. (And, of course, DPP made the SAME whiny excuses about HL1, & HL2, AND HL3. AND about HL:TS season 6. AND about Raven.) The Producers' Cut of Endgame was severely flawed. They had several months to get things right, AND they had control. Despite fixing a few things, DPP's own cut was no gem; it even had a few "new" goofs. But, it made DPP some money, because of course a lot of fans bought the Producers' Cut, HOPING for the movie we were promised--promised for several YEARS. And now DPP are threatening to do another HL film, apparently w/o AP or CL. Really, there ought to be a law. If, after over 15 years w/ the Highlander franchise, DPP can't get together the bucks, clout & sense to make a decent movie--STOP, PLEASE! Having _Duncan_ curse immortality is great drama; having _the FANS_ curse it is just sad. Nina geiger@maui.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:42:09 -0500 From: Sandy Fields <diamonique@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Endgame At 11:30 PM 12/30/01, Geiger wrote: >Well, DPP themselves proved that the excuses made early on about editing >being rushed & about being pressured by Miramax as to content really were >crap. Yep. That's what I mean. I just don't believe anything they say anymore. The purposely create garbage and then come up with excuses that they think we're all stupid enough to believe. >And now DPP are threatening to do another HL film, oh good heavenly lord! >apparently w/o AP or CL. Really, there ought to be a law. If, after over >15 years w/ the Highlander franchise, DPP can't get together the bucks, >clout & sense to make a decent movie--STOP, PLEASE! Ugh! Ya got that right! They need to stop! -- Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 19:46:58 -0700 From: Barbara Osgood Designs <hairbows@northerntel.net> Subject: Re: Endgame At 12/30/2001 06:12 PM -0700, Jody Anderson wrote: >Hopefully, you are right (like I don't have it on DVD already and can >watch it whenever I want) Why is it that even though I own Endgame on DVD, >I am looking forward to it being shown on Showtime? I am assuming the Showtime version will be the same as the pay-per-view version, which I think people here said was a couple minutes longer than the theatrical version, but Faith was still dead, and THAT is what I'm looking forward to! Barbara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 08:14:46 +0200 From: Marina Bailey <fdd-tmar@netactive.co.za> Subject: Re: The mysterous letter 'h' Elaine wrote: ><rant mode on>Okay this is just a personal gripe why oh why do people >insist that I can't spell my own name.... there is no 'h' in my name. I >spell it out to people and still it comes back with the 'h' in it. It's as >though I am being told I am stupid, I emphasise it - still the 'h' appears. > Please stop it please leave the 'h' out it's not my name.<rant mode off> Just whap people who do that. I whapped people who put a 't' in Richie's name for years, and it appears to have worked. (Except for ZK, who misspells it because she *likes* being whapped. <g>) - Marina. \\ "You must work and work and work until ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // // you're so famous you can never leave || R I C H I E >> \\ \\ the house." - John Waters ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // //==Marina Bailey===fdd-tmar@netactive.co.za==|| \\ \\===========Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie=============// "The captain's on drugs and the first officer is a complete lunatic... Sounds about right for Star Trek." - My brother, discussing the DS9 episode "Valiant" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 06:55:10 +0000 From: John Mosby <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: Endgame Pardon me for bringing this up again, but I remember a few people saying they would go out and buy lots of cinema tickets for Endgame, NOT because they thought Endgame was any good, but simply to secure the $ for D/P, Miramax et al to have another go. DPP can be held responsible for an awful lot, but with that brand of fan logic/blind loyalty, I expect the next Highlander movie to be called Dude, Where's My Katana. Happy 2002! John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 07:32:41 -0500 From: Elaine Nicol <ElaineN@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: The mysterous letter 'h' >> Just whap people who do that. I whapped people who put a 't' in Richie's name for years, and it appears to have worked. (Except for ZK, who misspells it because she *likes* being whapped. <g>) << Oh that one annoys me as well. Of course so do some of the spellings of McLeod's name. I don't mind MacLeod/McLeod/Mcleod/Macleod but I see red over Mcloud/Macloud...<grrrrrr>. Actually after a while you get fed up whapping people too many of them enjoy it.<EG> Elaine. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:22:42 -0500 From: Karla Julian <julkm@home.com> Subject: Re: Endgame Barbara Osgood Designs wrote: > > I am assuming the Showtime version will be the same as the pay-per-view > version, which I think people here said was a couple minutes longer than > the theatrical version, but Faith was still dead, and THAT is what I'm > looking forward to! I just checked out the Showtime site, and Endgame is listed as the producer's cut and is 1hour and 40 minutes. So I'm assuming it is the same one that aired on PPV which I saw. It was the exact one that was shown in the movie theaters. :-) Karla > > > Barbara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:39:07 -0500 From: Sandy Fields <diamonique@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Endgame At 01:22 PM 12/31/2001 -0500, Karla Julian wrote: >I just checked out the Showtime site, and Endgame is listed as the >producer's cut and is 1hour and 40 minutes. So I'm assuming it is the same >one that aired on PPV which I saw. It was the exact one that was shown in >the movie theaters. I thought the producers cut is different than the one shown in the theaters. -- Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:29:08 EST From: Dotiran@aol.com Subject: Re: Endgame In a message dated 12/31/2001 1:38:34 PM US Eastern Standard Time, diamonique@earthlink.net writes: > I thought the producers cut is different than the one shown in the theaters. > > -- Sandy > It is. The producers cut has the different ending for Faith :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:50:33 -0800 From: Lynn <lloschin@sprynet.com> Subject: Reunion Charity Update Greetings, I've finally caught up on Reunion's paperwork, and I'm happy to report that I'll be sending a check for $3500.00 to the American Red Cross on Wednesday. Reunion's total charity donations to date are now $13,500.00. We owe thanks to many people for helping to make this possible -- in particular all of the auction donors and participants, but we owe special thanks to Kerry Glover for her amazing work on the auctions, which really made the difference between a financially successful convention and one in debt. A very happy new year to you all! Lynn PS -- Yes, we still have souvenir programs available! Visit http://reunioncon.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:59:49 -0700 From: Barbara Osgood Designs <hairbows@northerntel.net> Subject: Re: Endgame At 12/31/2001 02:29 PM -0500, Dotiran@aol.com wrote: >It is. The producers cut has the different ending for Faith :) That's the producers cuts for the DVD, in which she survives both times. The producers cut for PPV has Faith dying at the end as in the theatrical version. And then of course, there is the bootleg copy which I haven't seen. (Anyone who ISN'T confused, stand up and take a bow.) At least, that's what the folks who watched it on PPV said, and I was going to order and tape it for that very reason. Just didn't get around to it in time. I think they might have taken out "Sanctuary" in the PPV cut, but I really can't remember the details that were posted. Barbara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:58:06 -0500 From: Trilby <trilby23@bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: The mysterous letter 'h' From: Elaine Nicol <ElaineN@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: The mysterous letter 'h' > Oh that one annoys me as well. Of course so do some of the spellings of > McLeod's name. I don't mind MacLeod/McLeod/Mcleod/Macleod but I see red > over Mcloud/Macloud...<grrrrrr>. I worked for a while with someone whose last name was spelled "McLeod", and when HL came along, I had a *terrible* time remembering that Duncan's name is different. *sigh* ------------ Trilby "Let no man pull you so low as to hate him." Martin Luther King 9/4/56 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 19:01:39 -0500 From: Karla Julian <julkm@home.com> Subject: Re: Endgame Barbara Osgood Designs wrote: > > At least, that's what the folks who watched it on PPV said, and I was going > to order and tape it for that very reason. Just didn't get around to it in > time. I think they might have taken out "Sanctuary" in the PPV cut, but I > really can't remember the details that were posted. No they didn't. I saw the PPV version and it was the same one that aired in the theater. :-) Karla > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:09:05 -0500 From: Sandy Fields <diamonique@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Endgame At 07:01 PM 12/31/01, Karla Julian wrote: >No they didn't. I saw the PPV version and it was the same one that aired >in the theater. OK. Then that wasn't the producer's cut. Thanks for clearing it up for us. -- Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:32:27 -1000 From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net> Subject: Re: Endgame Karla-- > I just checked out the Showtime site, and Endgame is listed as the producer's > cut and is 1hour and 40 minutes. So I'm assuming it is the same one that aired > on PPV which I saw. It was the exact one that was shown in the movie theaters. But, the theater version was NOT the Producers' Cut. When EG ran on PPV, people who watched it posted that it was the _theater_ version. I'm betting all that's _ever_ seen on PPV or cable is the theater version. Why should Miramax distribute the Producers' Cut? (For that matter, do the Director's Cuts of HL1, 2 or 3 show up TV? Not that I recall.) Of course, in Endgame's case, the theater version was never released on video/DVD--just the P Cut & the in-progress version. Weird. The screw-ups as to Endgame extend right through details like running time. The theater release (Kate apparently BH'd by Kell during his Last Supper, w/ the final scene being lone DM at Connor's grave, clad in his Peace shirt & posturing before a horrid matte painting of Scotland) ran to 89 minutes (bare minimum for a feature, downright criminal for a film as complex as this one & in view of usable footage we KNOW existed, & nearly guaranteed to make fan-type viewers feel cheated when the end credits roll). The VHS box for the Producers' Cut (the final scene being Kate & her head's togetherness at the Millennium Dome surprising DM to such an extent he is struck dumb, except for when someone else's voice blurts briefly from his mouth) touts that it runs 140 minutes--& it lies; it runs at 100 minutes, which meshes w/ the stated 12 minutes of extra footage it has, added to the theater version's 89 minutes. (I've no clue about running time of the _DVD_ Producers' Cut, w/ all its extras, but surely it would total over 140 minutes.) John-- >>>Pardon me for bringing this up again, but I remember a few people saying they would go out and buy lots of cinema tickets for Endgame, NOT because they thought Endgame was any good, but simply to secure the $ for D/P, Miramax et al to have another go.>>> Which is why the expression "one born every minute" never goes out of style. Anyway, if HL5 comes to be, we'll know who to blame. Dorothy-- >>>understanding of the rift between Mirimax and the director because he did not film them and never intended them to be in *his* movie>>> I'm not championing the silly stuff shown only in the trailers, but, from what I've read of Doug A's comments, *his* movie wasn't particularly a _Highlander_ film; really, he didn't seem to "get" much of the HL universe. That's why I don't care that there are no plans for a Director's Cut of Endgame. That, & the fact I'm tired of funding DPP's sorry excuses for screwing up my Highlander. Nina geiger@maui.net ------------------------------ End of HIGHLA-L Digest - 30 Dec 2001 to 31 Dec 2001 (#2001-330) ***************************************************************