There are 25 messages totalling 831 lines in this issue. Topics in this special issue: 1. Immortal Allergies (Was: Re: [HL] Like A Phoenix Arising From The Ashes) 2. Like A Phoenix Arising From The Ashes (5) 3. The New Direction of ATH (4) 4. OT: Hate Crime? (4) 5. A Goddessnessnessnessness Speaks! (8) 6. Endgame DVD Thoughts (Long. Spoilers too.) 7. Duncan and hate crimes 8. Alumni ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:52:24 -0600 From: Laura R <larug@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Immortal Allergies (Was: Re: [HL] Like A Phoenix Arising From The Ashes) At 3:17 PM -0400 4/17/01, Carrie Key wrote: > > >> >> virginia >> (Do you think Immortals suffer from allergies? ick, can you >> just imagine having allergy problems for thousands of years? >> ACK!!!) > > >It would be rotten. Remember Kit from Double Eagle? (I think that was the >name of it anyway). Everytime he came close to another Immortal, he not only >got the 'buzz' but he also sneezed:)! It was like he was allergic to his own >kind! Heehee. That was one of my favorite episodes! Amanda was just >marvelous in that one! > and given that allergies are caused by one's immune system overreacting to something like pollen that isn't really a threat at all; an immortal's immune system, with all that hyperactive healing must always be overreacting to stuff. -- Laura Ruggiero <larug@earthlink.net> <SCA name: Thalia Lavalle> "Having abandoned the search for truth, I'm looking for a good fantasy." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 07:59:59 EDT From: Bizarro7@aol.com Subject: Re: Like A Phoenix Arising From The Ashes In a message dated 4/17/01 11:41:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, GPrimeCEO@aol.com writes: << We were forced to mkove the site because angelfire's piss-poor server couldn't handle the volume of traffic we are now seeing. Be sure to book mark the link and tell all of your friends. >> (Making Cassandra-like mystical hand gesture and closing my eyes): You will continue to act like an infantile obessive and get yourself thrown off of that server too, and so on, and so on... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:47:37 EDT From: Lance Aldridge <GPrimeCEO@aol.com> Subject: Re: Like A Phoenix Arising From The Ashes In a message dated 4/17/01 10:45:47 AM Central Daylight Time, Highlandmg@aol.com writes: > > NO Lance::::::: > > You and Your site had a TOS Violation:: > No, we had too much traffic. Angelfire asked us to leave and we obliged. << Gee... and we all thought it was for the reason that Angelfire publically stated... that you infringed their code of practise and they shut part of your site down.>> Nope, that's not it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:49:17 EDT From: Lance Aldridge <GPrimeCEO@aol.com> Subject: The New Direction of ATH For those of you who post there, it appears that a number of the regulars are leaving ATH because they don't like Save Connor members opinions and thats ashame. I applaud those of you who believe in including all HL fans in ath. It makes the forum more liveley and interesting when there are a divergent number of discussions. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:54:56 EDT From: Highlandmg@aol.com Subject: Re: The New Direction of ATH NO Lance you can post away and NO ONE will respond because you are on killfile. Mary ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:14:40 -0400 From: Debra Douglass <ddoug@catrio.org> Subject: Re: OT: Hate Crime? Lance, I agree with everyone here that has asked for verification of this HL fan's death. I join with them in asking for this information. In fact I will make it a requirement for your continued participation in this forum. Please provide a URL for a newsstory from a well respected news organization or provide the name of a newspaper which carried the obituary or provide the name of the city where the crime was committed so that we can check out the facts ourselves. If you do not provide one of the above in one week from today your subscription to HIGHLA-L will be removed and you will be barred from joining again. Also if we cannot verify the facts from the information or URLs you provide after seven days then your subscription will be removed and you will be barred from joining again. I have little tolerance for a hoax being perpetrated on the HL fandom and I won't continue to allow you to do it on this list. -Debbie Douglass (list owner) On 4/15/2001, on HIGHLA-L@lists.psu.edu, Pat Lawson wrote: >>At 03:49 PM 4/15/01, Lance wrote: >> >>>It did really happen. the Palocheks are in mourning. Have SOME compassion >>>about all of this--PLEASE......... >> >>Lance, please direct me to the news stories about this alleged murder. A >>crime this sensational would have been reported by the press. It would >>doubtless have been picked up and reported by the wire services. Don't >>post a story on your web page, point me to a legitimate news >>organization. If they are not on-line, provide the newspapers name & >>location. I'll give them a call. >> >>Barring that, tell me where the crime occurred so I can verify the story >>with local law enforcement. >> >>Highlander fans have in the past demonstrated their compassion and >>caring. If this tale were true I'm sure they would do so again. Give us >>some proof, some evidence, some actual information and you'll see >>compassion. However, until you can provide independent proof of your tale >>from a verifiable source please drop the pretense. I, for one, will not >>be responding to you any longer. >> >> Pat L. - feeling rather sad -- .------------------------------------------------------------------. |Debra Douglass ddoug@catrio.org http://www.catrio.org| `------------------------------------------------------------------' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:41:12 EDT From: Billie Lee <McCelt2000@aol.com> Subject: Re: OT: Hate Crime? In a message dated 4/18/01 3:15:42 PM !!!First Boot!!!, ddoug@catrio.org writes: > I have little tolerance for a hoax being perpetrated on the HL fandom > and I won't continue to allow you to do it on this list. > Thank you Debbie, For stepping in and helping to hopefully put an end to this, I have been shying away from List Mail because of this very thing........... So again, **thank YOU** Forever Peace, Billie-Lee ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 08:49:24 -0700 From: Merrie Gail <damemehri@juno.com> Subject: Re: OT: Hate Crime? Thank you Debra, Lance's blatant asinine behavior is irritating at best and certainly doesn't reflect the behavior of the Highlander fan base in general and HIGH-L in particular. On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:14:40 -0400 Debra Douglass <ddoug@catrio.org> writes: > Lance, > > I agree with everyone here that has asked for verification of this > HL > fan's death. I join with them in asking for this information. In > fact > I will make it a requirement for your continued participation in > this > forum. Please provide a URL for a newsstory from a well respected > news organization or provide the name of a newspaper which carried > the > obituary or provide the name of the city where the crime was > committed > so that we can check out the facts ourselves. If you do not provide > one of the above in one week from today your subscription to > HIGHLA-L > will be removed and you will be barred from joining again. Also if > we > cannot verify the facts from the information or URLs you provide > after > seven days then your subscription will be removed and you will be > barred from joining again. > > I have little tolerance for a hoax being perpetrated on the HL > fandom > and I won't continue to allow you to do it on this list. > > -Debbie Douglass > (list owner) Merrie Gail Mehri's Mountain http://www.dame-mehri.com/damemehri ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:10:38 -0400 From: pgannon <pgannon@OPTonline.net> Subject: Re: The New Direction of ATH He's been on my killfile since the movie was released! Peggie ;-P ----- Original Message ----- From: <Highlandmg@aol.com> To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 10:54 AM Subject: Re: The New Direction of ATH > NO Lance > > > you can post away and NO ONE will respond because you are on killfile. > > > > Mary > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:02:31 -0400 From: Sandy Fields <diamonique@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: The New Direction of ATH At 10:49 AM 04/18/2001, Lance Aldridge wrote: >For those of you who post there, it appears that a number of the regulars are >leaving ATH because they don't like Save Connor members opinions and thats >ashame. I applaud those of you who believe in including all HL fans in ath. >It makes the forum more liveley and interesting when there are a divergent >number of discussions. And what does this have to do with Highla-l? What occurs on ATH is not an issue to be discussed here on Highla-l. -- Sandy (why am I responding to this guy?) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:27:22 -0400 From: KLZ <zklee@patriot.net> Subject: A Goddessnessnessnessness Speaks! > > -Debbie Douglass > (list owner) List owner my foot. Hail O Three-Armed One! Wielder of Whips! Protector of PoRA(tm)! She who Brandishes the Sacred Sword of Review Status! She who Communes with Weezuls and Holy Cows! Be Merciful to us thy Humble Listees! :::: bowing three times with offerings of chocolate :::: ZK (I have seen the whips In Person)(I have pictures to prove it)(And they're not doctored, either) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:32:30 EDT From: Dotiran@aol.com Subject: Re: A Goddessnessnessnessness Speaks! In a message dated 4/18/01 11:31:25 AM US Eastern Standard Time, zklee@patriot.net writes: << ZK (I have seen the whips In Person) wears them around her waist she does. Yep. good to see she cracks them too. Yeehaw. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 16:44:52 EDT From: Andrea Cheney <Ac1087@aol.com> Subject: Re: Like A Phoenix Arising From The Ashes Pardon my ignorance, but what is tos? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 21:51:34 +0100 From: John Mosby <A.J.Mosby@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: Like A Phoenix Arising From The Ashes Terms of Service Or a description of Lance's site. take your pick. ;) AJM ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrea Cheney <Ac1087@aol.com> To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [HL] Like A Phoenix Arising From The Ashes > Pardon my ignorance, > > but what is tos? > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 16:48:29 EDT From: Highlandmg@aol.com Subject: Re: Like A Phoenix Arising From The Ashes Term of service Its an agreement you agree to when you sign up. Most boards and AOL requires this. Mary ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 16:52:24 -0400 From: Sandy Fields <diamonique@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: A Goddessnessnessnessness Speaks! At 12:27 PM 04/18/2001, KLZ wrote: >ZK (I have seen the whips In Person)(I have pictures to prove >it)(And they're not doctored, either) Me too! :::bowing in reverence to the woman with the whips::: Way ta go Debbie! -- Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:00:30 -1000 From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net> Subject: Re: Endgame DVD Thoughts (Long. Spoilers too.) SPOILERS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gerry-- > "HOLY GROUND". What bothered me a lot about the theatrical release was how > killings were done on Holy Ground without much consequence, repercussion, What bothered me was the total lack of comment from the characters that something untoward had occurred. I didn't need cataclysm--just a gasp & a "He killed on HOLY GROUND! That's... diabolical" from Joe, Duncan, ANYONE. > In the DVD, the > dialogue where Methos mentions that the sanctuary was located on Holy > Ground was edited out. In the commentary, the producers confirm this > deletion. Doesn't exactly make me feel better actually, because it creates > more problems than it solves. Why would immortals wish to be deaf, blind > and helpless in a place that is NOT Holy Ground? Why let yourself be > vulnerable in a place where it's possible for you to get killed? It doesn't > make sense. Right. It makes the Immies & the Watchers in charge all very stupid. Stupid is my very least fav trait in characters. > FAITH LIVES! After getting over the gross inconsistency of this Holy Ground > thing, I actually found myself enjoying the rest of the movie. Watching > the theatrical release, I felt kind of depressed because some cool > immortals were killed. Donnie Yen for one (more on him later), and Lisa B, > playing Faith. I thought it was pretty brutal to have her killed and the > thought haunted me for a while after watching it. Well, I thought Faith was weakly drawn & poorly portrayed, so I wasn't upset at seeing her bite the dust. (What, _exactly_, did DM see in her? Compared to Amanda, Tessa, etc.?) I really don't see Faith/Kate appearing in any future HL movie (actually, I don't SEE any future HL movie, but that's another story), so what's the point of having her live here? DM didn't need her--he _needed_ not to have had to kill Connor (as the latest of a long line of friends he's had to kill), & he _needed_ his remaining friends--Methos & Joe--w/ him at the end. Plus, the new final scene sucked, in how it was presented--90% Faith dialogue, w/ the movie's hero just standing there like a dolt, his paltry lines badly voiced over by an actor other than AP. Ick. And a very weak way for the film to end. >And as far as I understand it, it basically changes the canon > established by the theatrical release. Whatever you see in this DVD, it's > pretty much the final word on how this story goes. Who made that rule? Really--just how many do-overs do DPP get? This is exactly like the director's cuts released to smooth over the most glaring of the gaffes in HL 1 & HL2. Something like Zeist doesn't just go away, nor do the absurb screw-ups in HL4--not even the ones patched up in the producer's cut. > In an alternate scene in the DVD, we > actually see Donnie take his own head depriving Bruce the opportunity to > take his head. At some point, I get the impression that this scene was > seriously considered for inclusion in the movie, but since they couldn't > pull it off convincingly in the effects, it was left out all together. I'd have liked that scene, too--it works better for the character. But, if the effects were too bad to use, imagine just how bad they must have been. Worse than Carlos' rolling head.... Worse than the morphing faces.... Worse than the blob taking the place of the JVC sign.... Worse than the matte painting behind DM at Connor's grave.... It must REALLY have sucked. > Other Effects. They played around with the idea of Connor manifesting > himself more fully in the final battle with Adrian and Bruce. At some > point, it would seem that Connor jumps out of Duncan and they both fight > Bruce, but the they were never fully happy with the effects so they just > ended up morphing Connor's face into Duncan for an instant. Well, I'm thankful for small favors, then. Like the 3rd teaser's Stargate & 2 Kells never surfacing in any of the cuts. > Jim Byrne's scene where he shoots the renegade watcher is longer, with more > dialogue, and it's inserted in a totally different place altogether. In > the alternate version, this happens on the rooftop where Duncan has just > taken Connor's head. That makes a lot more sense than as it was used in the producers' cut, which had the Watcher interfering in the final fight such that, had Joe not intervened, DM would have likely been BHd & Kell made that much stronger. If they can't even make it sensible in the producers' cut.... > There is a small subplot where Connor leaves a christmas tree yearly for a > parish. After Connor is killed, Duncan continues the tradition. Everyone makes a big deal about that. Sorry--it doesn't sound like Connor to me. And I think DM would provide more substantial assistance to the needy. > AUDIO COMMENTARY. It was pretty interesting listening to the commentary. I > wish the director had his say here, but it is nevertheless informative to > have the producers Bill Panzer and Peter Davis, Editor Robert Feretti and > Dimension Executive Daniel Gross share their thoughts about working in the > movie. The director's exclusion speaks volumes. >As a Highlander fan, I was quite satisfied with this DVD. It is better than the theater version, in that it flows more smoothly & fills in a few more details. Plus, they corrected some of the goofs. They didn't get nearly all, though, & they created some new ones here. The film is still marred by those goofs, dizzy editing, lack of meaningful dialogue, a laughable & incomprehensible villain, shallow characters, & a scattered plot. Highlander & AP deserved better. So did the fans. So, as a Highlander fan, I'm still pretty pissed off. But, as a Highlander fan, no longer surprised. Nina geiger@maui.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:21:58 -1000 From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net> Subject: Re: Duncan and hate crimes me before-- > >> My > personal guess involves the doctrine of free choice, but I'm sure others > would differ. Elaine-- > I'm not sure what you mean there. I think I was feeling around about The Game maybe not being so alien or far-fetched, compared to our daily reality. Humanity's continuing struggle w/ good & evil is, I think, the inevitable result of having free choice, the ability to decide individually how to act. Just as DM & certain other Immies met foes who were evil & killed just because they could in The Game, so we are faced w/ things like hate crimes in real life. Nina geiger@maui.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:15:26 -0400 From: Johanne Briere <jojoann@videotron.ca> Subject: Alumni Tiens bonsoir tlm, Mario Azzopardi (sp ?) is around here - filming with Pascale Montpetit and Megan Fellow. (Where is around here ?) Today is Erick Macormak (sp ?) (those darn non-french names) birthday. The young Canadian man is turning 38. Voila, Rien d'autres, @+ Johanne jojoann@videotron.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:16:45 EDT From: RED57@aol.com Subject: Re: A Goddessnessnessnessness Speaks! My fellow Listanistas, In a message dated 01-04-18 12:31:20 EDT, you write: > List owner my foot. Hail O Three-Armed One! Wielder of Whips! > Protector of PoRA(tm)! She who Brandishes the Sacred Sword of > Review Status! She who Communes with Weezuls and Holy Cows! Be > Merciful to us thy Humble Listees! > > :::: bowing three times with offerings of chocolate :::: > > ZK (I have seen the whips In Person)(I have pictures to prove > it)(And they're not doctored, either) She Who Dances A Mighty Storm At The Feet Of The Jim be praised. Have mercy on us poor listees. May her Whip be cracked. <snap> Amen! Ginny(I was there when it was presented lo these many years ago)(somewhere around here I have pictures to prove that, too) &detail-disoriented Ginny RED57@aol.com Highlander: It's a kind of magic. AOL/HL Newbie File: It's a kind of pre-FAQ. email highlander-info@midrange.com The Weasels FAQ: It's a joke, kind of. email weasels-faq@midrange.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:28:18 EDT From: Karen Miller <Renaissance1592@aol.com> Subject: Re: OT: Hate Crime? In a message dated Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:15:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Debra Douglass <ddoug@catrio.org> writes: << Lance, I agree with everyone here that has asked for verification of this HL fan's death. I join with them in asking for this information. In fact I will make it a requirement for your continued participation in this forum.>> <snip> Thank you Debbie, well said!!! ~Rennie ========>Standing and applauding ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:33:37 -0400 From: Lisa Kadlec <lkadlec@Princeton.EDU> Subject: Re: A Goddessnessnessnessness Speaks! On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 RED57@aol.com wrote: > My fellow Listanistas, > > In a message dated 01-04-18 12:31:20 EDT, you write: > > > List owner my foot. Hail O Three-Armed One! Wielder of Whips! > > Protector of PoRA(tm)! She who Brandishes the Sacred Sword of > > Review Status! She who Communes with Weezuls and Holy Cows! Be > > Merciful to us thy Humble Listees! > > > > :::: bowing three times with offerings of chocolate :::: > > > > ZK (I have seen the whips In Person)(I have pictures to prove > > it)(And they're not doctored, either) > > She Who Dances A Mighty Storm At The Feet Of The Jim be praised. Have mercy > on us poor listees. May her Whip be cracked. <snap> Amen! > > Ginny(I was there when it was presented lo these many years ago)(somewhere > around here I have pictures to prove that, too) Oh, yes!!! I don't have pictures of the presentation, but I've got a great group shot of HIGHLA-L folks in their brand new list t-shirts, and I know Debbie and the whip are in that one. Remember the list t-shirts?? G2, IIRC. I remember going through the autograph line and being in a group of 5 or 6 people, and all but one of us was wearing a HIGHLA-L shirt. After I told Adrian that I'd utterly failed to come up with something exciting to say to him <g>, he asked about my t-shirt. Wow, that was a long time ago!! Lisa Kadlec lkadlec@princeton.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 21:22:07 -0400 From: Sandy <diamonique@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: A Goddessnessnessnessness Speaks! At 08:33 PM 04/18/01, Lisa Kadlec wrote: >Oh, yes!!! I don't have pictures of the presentation, but I've got a >great group shot of HIGHLA-L folks in their brand new list t-shirts, and I >know Debbie and the whip are in that one. I still have that tshirt. And might I just add that I had the pleasure of presenting HerGoddessnessnessness with the whip. It was Fred's idea! :::waving::: Hi Fred! >Remember the list t-shirts?? G2, IIRC. That it was. My first con. Changed my life, it did. Met the *greatest* bunch of folks ever! >I remember going through the autograph line and being in a group >of 5 or 6 people, and all but one of us was wearing a HIGHLA-L shirt. The 20-minute autograph line. :::sigh::: Those were the good old days. Remember hotel corridor from hell? Fans going home with the Adrianic flu? >After I told Adrian that I'd utterly failed to come up with something >exciting to say to him <g>, he asked about my t-shirt. Wow, that was a >long time ago!! Ah... the memories! -- Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 21:23:53 -0400 From: Jill <selkie@MailAndNews.com> Subject: Re: A Goddessnessnessnessness Speaks! >> Ginny(I was there when it was presented lo these many years ago)(somewhere >> around here I have pictures to prove that, too) > >Oh, yes!!! I don't have pictures of the presentation, but I've got a >great group shot of HIGHLA-L folks in their brand new list t-shirts, and I >know Debbie and the whip are in that one. Remember the list t-shirts?? >G2, IIRC. I remember going through the autograph line and being in a group >of 5 or 6 people, and all but one of us was wearing a HIGHLA-L shirt. I've still got my t-shirt somewhere. (and some undeveloped film from G2) Dang, that was a while back in time and about five e-mail addresses ago for me. Jill selkie@mailandnews.com "Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. " -Albert Einstein ********************************************************** CAT: I hope that Schrodinger guy put litter in here... ------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE web-based e-mail and newsgroup access at: http://MailAndNews.com Create a new mailbox, or access your existing IMAP4 or POP3 mailbox from anywhere with just a web browser. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 21:25:15 EDT From: RED57@aol.com Subject: Re: A Goddessnessnessnessness Speaks! My fellow Listanistas, In a message dated 01-04-18 21:21:07 EDT, you write: > >I remember going through the autograph line and being in a group > >of 5 or 6 people, and all but one of us was wearing a HIGHLA-L shirt. > > The 20-minute autograph line. :::sigh::: Those were the good old > days. Remember hotel corridor from hell? Fans going home with the > Adrianic flu? > I'd still like to know what the deal was with the lady who went around with a mouse in her cleavage. Oh, wait, that was the first year. The second year was the year of envying the people who had the atrium room right behind the autograph table. -------- Ginny RED57@aol.com volunteer co-moderator, alt.support.childfree.moderated Will clean splattered monitors for chocolate. ------------------------------ End of HIGHLA-L Digest - 17 Apr 2001 to 18 Apr 2001 - Special issue (#2001-126) *******************************************************************************