There are 17 messages totalling 514 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. OT:Meilani Paul in movie (5) 2. OT: Hate Crime? (8) 3. Duncan and hate crimes (3) 4. Duncan and hate crimes--& Methos, too ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 16:55:59 -1000 From: methos <methos@pixi.com> Subject: Re: OT:Meilani Paul in movie Karla wrote: <<Thought some people may be interested to know that Meilani Paul (Adrian's ex) is in the movie Agent Red starring opposite Dolph Lundgren. I have a feeling this movie went straight to video. I rented it yesterday. It was ok.>> So, how about some details? Plot? What was Meilani's role? How was her acting? How did she look/dress? On a scale of 0 - 10 how good was "Agent Red"? TIA. TC <detail-oriented for totally disinteresting movie news> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 23:09:16 EDT From: Dotiran@aol.com Subject: Re: OT:Meilani Paul in movie In a message dated 4/15/01 9:58:55 PM US Eastern Standard Time, methos@pixi.com writes: << How did she look/dress? word is she wore clothes in this one. *vbeg* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 23:32:11 -0400 From: virginia foster <vfoster@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: OT: Hate Crime? At 06:49 PM 04/15/01 -0400, you wrote: ><< >So why is what Lance did, which I think is sick, worse than >that? To be honest, I feel pretty sick at some of the stuff on >TV too.>> > >Why is it sick to honor a dead friend? Duncan did it many times in the >series. > There is nothing wrong with honoring a dead friend. What we have a problem with is that you choose to pull a horrifying real story from the headlines and use it to draw attention to your website. >Exploitation??!! I am deeply disturbed that you and the others would go to >these lengths to discredit a youngf man who gave his life for Highlander. >Wht do you stand to gain by doing so? My friend gave his life for Connor and >the Cause and i won't stand for the disrespect of his scrifice. > Oh please. If the event you describe is real, why didn't it make the news? I've search CNN.com, MSNBC.com and MSN.com. I didn't find a single reference to any story about a "Mike Palochek". Nothing. Nada. Therefore, I have serious doubts that anyone by that name ever existed and that he "died" in such a manner. Others have requested URL's for the legitimate news story. I'd like to see them as well. >I guess what pushed my buttons with relating a hate crime to the >"Save Connor" site is that he's treating it as though it really happened.>> > >It did really happen. the Palocheks are in mourning. Have SOME compassion >about all of this--PLEASE......... > I would. If it had happened. The photos of your "million fan march" are so obviously faked, what is to prove that your story is true. There is no mention of a Mike Palochek anywhere on the web. There's not even a mention of it on entertainment sites that would certainly jump at the chance to report a story like this, if it were indeed true. >The last time people started talking like this it was Lance's doing >as well. At least he's good for something...>> > >Discussion is what will keep Highlander, and Connor alive. > Finally, something we actually might can agree on. That discussion keeps the fandom going. >Based on Lance's copious postings here and on other HL forums, it's not >intended as a parody. Since you've been fortunate enough to miss those I >can see why you'd think it is. It is absurd, due to ineptitude not intent.>> > >There's nothing funny about a man's death. > No there isn't. The man in Texas who was killed simply because he was black didn't deserve to die. He doesn't deserve to have his story twisted into something to serve the purpose of a website for *fictional* character. Connor is *fictional*. Hate crimes are *real*. virginia (to relate this back to Highlander... I'm sure Duncan has seen his share of hate crimes. Do you think he ever gets discouraged that the human race never seems to get any better?) vfoster@mindspring.com *@*@* http://www.mindspring.com/~vfoster/va.html "I saw the movie Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon and I didn't see any tigers or dragons. Then I realized why, they were crouching and hidden." Steve Martin at the 2001 Academy Awards ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 18:06:12 -1000 From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net> Subject: Re: OT: Hate Crime? Lance writes-- >I am deeply disturbed .... Yes, you certainly are. Nina geiger@maui.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 00:58:04 -0400 From: Karen Matthews <k.matth@wcoil.com> Subject: Re: OT:Meilani Paul in movie ----- Original Message ----- From: <Dotiran@aol.com> To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 11:09 PM Subject: Re: OT:Meilani Paul in movie > In a message dated 4/15/01 9:58:55 PM US Eastern Standard Time, > methos@pixi.com writes: > > << How did she look/dress? > > word is she wore clothes in this one. *vbeg* Okay.... LOL....Cleaning up my keyboard and screen from mouthful of wine on that response. LOL! > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 01:20:48 -0400 From: KLZ <zklee@patriot.net> Subject: Duncan and hate crimes > (to relate this back to Highlander... I'm sure Duncan has seen > his share of > hate crimes. Do you think he ever gets discouraged that the > human race > never seems to get any better?) Duncan withdrew a number of times because of hate and killing. I think the ultimate hate crime was the post-Culloden massacres. He did some of his own hate crimes at that time, too, against the English. After his epiphany-hb-rattling with Cierdwyn, he simply withdrew and went on his Great Search for Peace and a Better Sword. He did the same after Waterloo, when he left Europe for the New World in search of Peace and some Cool Buckskins. We saw it again in 1867, when he thumped the table at the dead inkeeper's place and went off to join the Sioux in search of Peace, a Good Woman, and Cool Buckskins, this time showing a well-turned posterior, or portions thereof. Duncan is doomed, I think, to be forever seeking Peace, hiding from hate, war, and killing, and having hate, war, and killing find him over and over. Perhaps this was what tempered the Champion in preparation for the fight with Ahriman that darned near destroyed him. ZK (I know, because I found my "I survived the BREW at ZK's" button.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:49:40 +0200 From: Marina Bailey <tmar@fast.co.za> Subject: Re: OT: Hate Crime? Nina wrote: >Lance writes-- >>I am deeply disturbed .... >Yes, you certainly are. Nina, you got there first. As soon as I read that line, your response was the first thing that popped into my head. He can't argue now, right? He said it himself. - Marina. \\ "But then, we saw that Obi-Wan doth look upon ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // // Qui-Gon with lust, and that Mr. Lucas was not || R I C H I E >> \\ \\ likely to include that in the next movie, so we ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // // said screw it and wrote it ourselves." - Warning || \\ \\ page of the 'Master & Apprentice' slash site || // //=====tmar@fast.co.za====Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie=====\\ "I went to Chulak, and all I got was this lousy Goa'uld." - Stargate T-shirt idea. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 07:33:13 -0400 From: Elaine Nicol <ElaineN@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Duncan and hate crimes >> Duncan withdrew a number of times because of hate and killing. I think the ultimate hate crime was the post-Culloden massacres. << I'm sure he saw a lot of what is now called hate-crime. Personally I view all crime to an extant as hate crime of some sort. It may be that you hate someone because of the colour of their skin or their religious beliefs, or simply because they have more money than you. In Duncan's youth he would live his life hating the people who bore the name MacDonald for no other reason than that. Often the kind of crimes we see as hate-crimes are those which are born out of fear. I don't know or understand this person, so I am going to hate him and hurt him before he does it to me. I often ask why is it so much easier to extend a hand with a gun in it that one which is open with friendship. I suspect a question Duncan has asked himself many times. Makes you wonder though, Duncan has lived 400 odd years and is saddened by it, what about Methos, maybe that's why he is such a cynic. Elaine. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:35:09 EDT From: Billie Lee <McCelt2000@aol.com> Subject: Re: OT: Hate Crime? In a message dated 4/16/01 4:15:40 AM !!!First Boot!!!, geiger@maui.net writes: > Lance writes-- > >I am deeply disturbed .... To which Nina replied: > > Yes, you certainly are. And may I say a big AMEN SISTER <G> to that one. I have been staying out of this discussion, but I gotta go with my buddy Nina <waves> on this one! Forever Peace, Billie-Lee (who again thanks Nina and those who helped get Nina's addy back into her computer here!!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 17:07:05 +0100 From: Jette Goldie <jette@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: Re: Duncan and hate crimes Elaine says: > >> Duncan withdrew a number of times because of hate and killing. I > think the ultimate hate crime was the post-Culloden massacres. << > > In Duncan's youth he would live his life hating the people who bore the > name MacDonald for no other reason than that. > Well, they were pretty famous as a clan for being Pirates and cattle thieves...... but come to think of it, so were the MacLeods! <g> (maybe it was rivarly? <eg>) Jette Glory may be fleeting, but obscurity is forever! bosslady@scotlandmail.com http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/fanfic.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 1973 11:42:43 -0500 From: Judith Schneider <judiths@CapAccess.org> Subject: Re: OT: Hate Crime? On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Marina Bailey wrote: > Nina wrote: > >Lance writes-- > >>I am deeply disturbed .... > > >Yes, you certainly are. > > Nina, you got there first. As soon as I read that line, your > response was the first thing that popped into my head. > > He can't argue now, right? He said it himself. > Wanna bet??? Never underestimate the depths to which a delusional person can sink. Judy, the Chocolate Slayer judiths@capaccess.org Waving a flag for the blue feather and a turbolight for Apollo "I never met a chocolate I didn't like"--Deanna Troi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 1973 11:45:31 -0500 From: Judith Schneider <judiths@CapAccess.org> Subject: Re: OT: Hate Crime? On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, virginia foster wrote: <snip> > > >ZK (of course, I also knew a man who met Queen Victoria, so > >there) > > > I've met the Weasel in person and lived to tell about it. > I keep waiting for someone to say "I knew a man who was Queen Victoria". It's Monday ... last week was the week from hell. So far, this week isn't starting out any better. Might as well just go nuts now and avoid the mid-week rush. Judy, the Chocolate Slayer judiths@capaccess.org Waving a flag for the blue feather and a turbolight for Apollo "I never met a chocolate I didn't like"--Deanna Troi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 15:57:59 -0400 From: Karla Julian <julkm@home.com> Subject: Re: OT:Meilani Paul in movie methos wrote: > > > > > So, how about some details? Plot? Not a great movie. Run of the mill. Dolph Lundgren must get the Agent Red (chemical warfare) out of the hands of terrorists and deliver it safely to the US where it can be disposed of. > What was Meilani's role? She was Dolph's ex-fiance who he still had the hots for. She still wanted him but was playing hard to get. Meilani was a Navy luitenant involved in the operation to dispose of a chemical agent which could wipe out all life within minutes if released.She was an irritating character at first but became easier to deal with as the movie progressed. > > How was her acting? I wasn't impressed with her acting, and was less impressed with how she looked. You asked about clothing? She wore a Navy uniform throughout. On a scale of 0 - 10 I'd rate the movie about a 4. Don't waste your time. I was very surprised to see Meilani in anything. I hadn't heard of her since the Counterfeit episode of Highlander. I was also surprised that she kept Adrian's last name. > How did she look/dress? On a scale of > 0 - 10 how good was "Agent Red"? TIA. > > TC <detail-oriented for totally disinteresting movie news> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:34:44 -1000 From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net> Subject: Re: OT: Hate Crime? Virginia-- > Connor is *fictional*. Hate crimes are *real*. I don't have a comment to that--just liked it & thought it should be seen again. Lance isn't listening, though. For that matter, I suspect _Lance_ is fictional. At least, I hope so; the real creator of that may be redeemable. Nina (And, should their fictional universes chance to collide, wouldn't Connor just detest Lance? Assuming that the gnat got the Highlander's brief attention. Gotta think that the result would be something to make the goon in Epitaph for Tommy glad that dear Duncan just hung him out a very high window 'til he wet his pants.... Fanfic writers--anyone bored enough to tackle this? Yes, I am feeling spiteful today; Hawaii public school teachers are on strike--week #3--& my 9 yr. old is getting to me.) geiger@maui.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 16:38:17 EDT From: Highlandmg@aol.com Subject: Re: OT: Hate Crime? Lance's site memorial for this person was removed for a Tos Mary ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 16:53:14 EDT From: Dotiran@aol.com Subject: Re: OT:Meilani Paul in movie In a message dated 4/16/01 2:58:14 PM US Eastern Standard Time, julkm@home.com writes: << I was very surprised to see Meilani in anything. I hadn't heard of her since the Counterfeit episode of Highlander. Oh she's been very busy doing movies. Some of them were more like soft porn, Corporate Ladder, for example. But there was one movie she did recently, however, which showed more promise. It was a straight to video action movie in which she played an accomplice of a bad guy. She wore tight clothes and carried a gun a lot, but it was an interesting. plotline. I'll have to think on it to come up with the title however. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:30:01 -1000 From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net> Subject: Re: Duncan and hate crimes--& Methos, too Elaine-- > I often ask why is it so much easier to extend a hand with a gun in it that > one which is open with friendship. Or, a sword in it, for the Immies. Maybe on some level, mortals are involved in their own Game, though who created it & its Rules are as shrouded in mist as the Immortal version. My personal guess involves the doctrine of free choice, but I'm sure others would differ. > Makes you wonder though, Duncan has lived 400 odd years and is saddened by > it, what about Methos, maybe that's why he is such a cynic. I see your point, but.... If something made Methos into a Horseman relatively early in his extended existence, then surely the later millenia didn't do that much _bad_ to him, if all that resulted was his trademark cynicism. I've always thought Methos found solace in the world's sameness over vast passages of time, rather than being exasperated or saddened by humanity's fundamental lack of change. For him, odd duck that he is, it would be a reassuring, even humorous, constancy, I think. Nina (really not up for facing this week for real, so happy to play here... also happy the list isn't dead yet... HL does seem doomed, though) geiger@maui.net ------------------------------ End of HIGHLA-L Digest - 15 Apr 2001 to 16 Apr 2001 (#2001-124) ***************************************************************